Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

[Afrobean]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

i'll say that it isnt unconstitutional. at least for now.

but i've never been arguing that "gay marriage" was unconstitutional, i've been arguing that it's illogical.

that "gay marriage" is an oxymoron.

Who cares if it's illogical to you?

Some people have weird foot fetishes. Would you like to make weird foot sex illegal just because you don't wish to partake in it?

Really, it only affects one person and that's the homosexual individual. It's not like there will be more homosexual people because of it being legal, and it's not like there will be an overt change in behavior of those homosexual people. All it would do is give legal rights to gay life partners that they wouldn't have otherwise and that do nothing but help they're loved ones. It has a 0% affect on anyone else, but helps them a lot.

[FoJaR]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

Who cares if it's illogical to you?

Some people have weird foot fetishes. Would you like to make weird foot sex illegal just because you don't wish to partake in it?

nope, not at all. i'm not trying to say that homosexuality should be illegal either. next.

Really, it only affects one person and that's the homosexual individual. It's not like there will be more homosexual people because of it being legal, and it's not like there will be an overt change in behavior of those homosexual people.

not trying to change homosexual people, they make their own decisions.

All it would do is give legal rights to gay life partners that they wouldn't have otherwise and that do nothing but help they're loved ones. It has a 0% affect on anyone else, but helps them a lot.

it' changes the definition of marriage and that affects me personally.

[Grandiagod]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

it' changes the definition of marriage and that affects me personally.

Really? How is two gay people getting married going to affect you?

[Excoelis]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

gays r weird

[Afrobean]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

Dear Mr. FoJaR,

Arguing semantics is useless. It's just a word. It seriously doesn't matter. Like has been said before, gay marriages would be state issued and would have no affect at all on what you would consider to be legitimate marriages (ie religious based ones).

Sincerely,
Afrobean

[FoJaR]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

grandia: how does me pissing on a Koran directly affect a muslim person on the other side of the world? or even down the street?

[Grandiagod]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

grandia: how does me pissing on a Koran directly affect a muslim person on the other side of the world? or even down the street?

It doesn't directly affect anyone but the person you are doing it to.

[FoJaR]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

what person?

[Grandiagod]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

what person?

I misread, I thought you said "Kurd" like the arabic ethnic group.

It doesn't directly affect any muslims, it might make some angry. However, if you are saying that gays getting married degrades marriage, that is your viewpoint, not everyones, therefore, your personal feelings don't count in legal arguments.

Or even this "definition" of marriage that you keep referring to but can't produce any evidence of.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

it' changes the definition of marriage and that affects me personally.

It's not changing the definition of "marriage" because it's exclusively referred to as "gay marriage" instead of just "marriage". The "gay" modifier is never removed (at least not as far as I'm aware).

As for your oxymoron argument, "business casual" is a kind of formal dress, and "jumbo shrimp" are a kind of shrimp. They both just happen to be a certain subgroup of the main group that share a common deviation from the norm (casuality and large size, respectively).

[FoJaR]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

I misread, I thought you said "Kurd" like the arabic ethnic group.

It doesn't directly affect any muslims, it might make some angry. However, if you are saying that gays getting married degrades marriage, that is your viewpoint, not everyones, therefore, your personal feelings don't count in legal arguments.

so some people dont give a rat's ass about islam, they piss on korans, it's not their viewpoint so it makes it okay?

Or even this "definition" of marriage that you keep referring to but can't produce any evidence of.

Oxford dictionary: marriage

• noun the formal union of a man and a woman, by which they become husband and wife.

[FoJaR]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

It's not changing the definition of "marriage" because it's exclusively referred to as "gay marriage" instead of just "marriage". The "gay" modifier is never removed (at least not as far as I'm aware).

As for your oxymoron argument, "business casual" is a kind of formal dress, and "jumbo shrimp" are a kind of shrimp. They both just happen to be a certain subgroup of the main group that share a common deviation from the norm (casuality and large size, respectively).

business casual isnt much of an oxymoron, and jumboshrimp is not quite an oxymoron because of the double meaning of shrimp.

[Afrobean]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

Oxford dictionary: marriage

• noun the formal union of a man and a woman, by which they become husband and wife.

marriage

• noun 1 the formal union of a man and a woman, by which they become husband and wife. 2 a combination of two or more elements.

Bet you thought you could get that by, eh? A marriage can be between ANY TWO THINGS. The only marriage that is specifically between a man and a woman is the religious kind.

Oh and by the way:

business casual isnt much of an oxymoron

It is much more of an oxymoron than "gay marriage".

[FoJaR]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

but that's not pertinent. that sense is more metaphorical:

"quite clear that the marriage of inorganic and analytical."

"A Marriage of Art and Science"

which is a reference to real marriage. it's a metaphor.

[Afrobean]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

Even so, according to you, those abstract marriages degrade the value of a real marriage between a man and a woman, because only a marriage between a man and a woman has legitimate value.