Suicide

[senate7377]

Originally Posted by Sera13

I do not think that Sucide and aiding in suicide is a case by case issue no matter what. Ive seen suffering of people from all ages races and creeds the ones who did not off them selves found to have somthing to go on. It may not be evident or something that is seemingly important at all, but theres always SOMTHING. The ones who did off them selves missed out on so much. After they died the amount of things they had to live for quicly surfaced and it was horrible to think they had NOTHING.

This statement reinforces my prior about things in life are a case by case basis. The fact we are even debating this proves it. You can NOT walk in others shoes and by assuming that you can empathise with the suffering is in reality, foolish. Who are you to pretend to understand the pain I feel if I felt it. You can only sympathize, but never truely understand me. What sucks for me may not suck for you, and vice versa (we've established a common ground there). In the cases of personal suffering at an elderly age, I'd be interested in hearing what you would consider worth living for? In the case of my grandfather, had he said he wanted to be euthanized, I'd ask the Dr. if he'd consider it. The man had nothing left but pain and sorrow. Keeping him alive would be testament to personal selfishness. It IS case by case. Not everyone is WILLING to look for things to live for and to force it down their throat in many cases makes it worse. A time comes when you want nothing more than to go... let them. I agree child suicide is unfortunate and in their case reasons for living on can be made. Once again, like I said; they have not had the opportunity to understand what hope, fear, love, hate, pain, surprise, compassion, and lonliness truley are (and I feel bad if they feel that they really do). For all intents and purposes, they are emotionally uneducated. Marriage in respect to the climbing divorce rate proves this to a degree when considering the declining age of the couples being married.

So, I'm interested in hearing what would be your reason to keep Terri Schavio alive? The mental health of her parents? Thats total disergard for the person in potential suffering. Terri, was supposedly unaware of her condition, the Dr. said she'd never come out of her state, the parents hurt looking at her, and she was practically an empty husk of a person. When is trading a life beneficial? - its not chess, in some cases its selfish to hold on. You're going on the assumption that there is a rainbow after EVERY storm. There is not. For you there may be, but the depressed mind, in particular those who feel most comfortable in bad situations, will create a state of dispair for themselves becuase it suits them best. Its sort of like a mental Stockholm Syndrome. I'm not going to pretned to understand the innermost workings of the human mind, especially since TEAMS of Drs. can't do that. Im aware that hers is a differnet sitaution and was not a suicide case, but the principle behind it here is the same.

Originally Posted by Sera13

About scoffing the kids, i wouldnt say thats what i feel.. exacitally.. its more of a "WTF ARE YOU STUPID... LOOK AT ALL THE THINGS YOU HAVE GOING FOR YOU.. STOP BEING STUPID.. ILL HELP YOU.." type of thing..

but i feel obligated to offer help and any guidace and can give thats becuase i remeber what it was like to be in their position.. I was over wieght, i was constantly reminded of how fat and ugly i was however looking back i was never fat, just a little chubby, and anything more would have been an exageration and i have always had a pretty face and several other features however i could never see that i only saw fat and ugly as i had been told for years. I started highschool and had never made below a 98 on any school assignment in my life but every one still instisted on calling me stupid and a slacker that got into my head and at the end of freshman year i was still in all honors classes and such but barley pulling a 2.8 gpa sophmore year i had finally begin the healing process as you should say i was in all honors and AP classes and pulled my gpa to a 3.6 now i am faced with my final year of high school. I have 17 credits already and my junior year starts in 3 weeks i will be in all AP classes and then fluff classes to fill up my free credit spaces. then i will be starting college next fall. It seems as all the kid who were tormented and wanted to off themselves the most were often the ones to turn out best they grow up quicker and get rid of their "rose colored glasses" much quicker than most, In time to acctually make somthign of themselves.

So, was this a personal or social problem that you are struggling with? Were you yearning for social acceptance so much so, that you believe the badgering pecks of your peers just so that you felt as if at least they accepted something about you? Was it maybe, your inability to construct confidence within your own abilities in the face of anthing remotely challenging? Sounds rather harsh when I phrase the question that way right? Either way, it was your fault when approached from that direction. When you first read it, and be honest, what was your initial reaction. Did "YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW IT FEELS" come across your mind? I could pick further and state that your use of "quicker", constant misspellings, starting a sentence with "but", lack of proper punctuation, and in general you wouldn't use the same word over three letters in the same sentence. Those examples warrant claims of low intelligence from your peers if you really are headed to AP classes. Those examples alone cause one to wonder if you are in fact above B level English.(its not an attack, just used it for a low blow example to stir emotion, I often make typing mistakes, but it does not mean I'm horrible at English, so don't take it wrong). I could go on to say that I too, am not stupid yet make gramtical errors, misspellings and that I've been falsely judged based upon those examples. I've been accused and ridculed of that even here. I'm sure you would then think, even for a moment, "Yes, but...", giving way to doubtful rebuttals of how your case differs from mine. You'd be right if you thought those things.

I've never been fat, or pudgy, chubby, overweight, portly, festively plump, obese, or anything remotely close. How then would I justifiably comfort a suicidal person, who is contemplating such actions over the peer based ridicule of their weight? I would have NO clue about what it was to be fat. Would I say "Well you're not fat", which inturn is likely to recieve "Then what am I?" How do I respond? Should I lie to benefit them? Pretned I understood, risking eventual exposre as the conversation went on? Should I have opened it up differently? Would the opening have any real bearing on the end? I'm sure the weight issue would surafce in the conversation at some point since its the root of the problem Are they mentally stable and receptive enough to have their thoughts diverted in the direction of encouragement? What kind of encouragement would I use?. It depends on the person and the situation as to how you handle the case.

Its noble to want to help everyone you come in contact with becuase you honestly believe you understand their pain or because you whole heartedly feel that everyone has a reason to live. Unfortunately, what you think and feel means nothing to a set mind. Sera, you can not help, and often will not help those unwilling of help. As the phrase goes "You can lead a horse to water, but you can not make him drink".

Originally Posted by Sera13

I disagree with this SOME people have been forced through situations that most will NEVER have to deal with. There are so many things many people have done that are true eye openers and often can fully understand the concepts of many of those things at a much younger age than i feel like it fair to them. Realty can be cruel.

Once again, you've reiterated the "case by case" argument. SOME, is a depentant word, where if it is not ALL of one thing or ALL of another, then the situation at hand requires the analytical processing of the stipulations that have turned ALL into SOME.. You are right though, atrocities such as rape and child molestation are a forced thing. It extremely unfortunate that some sick effing bastid, took it upon themselves to remove the option of an innocent aspect of life for someone else. Its one of my cases for the death penalty. The choice was removed invoulentarily from the victim, therefore the same choice will be invoulentarily removed for you. Cut and dry, should have thought of that earlier becuase at least the offender knew right from wrong. Now the victim is left questioning it for the rest of their natural effing life. Effing effers... Anyway, there are many things in life that are eye openers. Some of them good and some of them bad, but the degree to which they are held is in the perspective of the ones who see them, experience them and have to experience them. Everyone deals with things different, and we've agreed on that, but saying that things are never case by case, is stating that life is black and white. EVERYTHING is case by case. No one is a little bit pregnant (don't believe the EPT commercial), a person is not kind of dead, and cold blooded murder is not sometimes okay. For these example, yes - there is a definate balck and white, but to separate that black and white in search of that grey area, you must study it on a case by case basis. Terri Schavio was indeed, kind of dead. Early pregnancy is considered a "little bit pregnant" (ok, NOW belive the EPT commercial), and you can't know the murder was in cold blood until you investigate. This is my entire point. Stretchingyourself thin to save the world leads to an unrequited love of sorts...its depressing, factual and never changing simply becuase its a different case for each of us..