Metaphysics, intelligence, God

[MrRubix]

Originally Posted by mhss1992

If you think that imagination is irrelevant, our discussion about the observer ends here.

I'm sorry, but my mind needs to imagine things. The observer is the kind if thing that can only be treated with imagination. I sincerely don't think it's irrelevant. That's the whole point of thought experiments. If you always base your answers entirely on the theory, you will never allow any space for questioning. You will never try to think "outside" your belief system.

You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system itself.

"Nothing feels like nothing" and "the perspective is becoming the other" are absolutely void answers.

That question is more complex than that. It's not just about not being able to imagine. "Feeling absurd" is not irrelevant, at all. And you still didn't answer the question "how can a space be created?"

If you "need to imagine things" then you are going to severely impact your ability to be objective. We are able to process things in the brain that it can experience. We can imagine walking through a park because we know what three dimensional space is like and we know what color is and we know how the grass and air feel and smell. We can't imagine something that the brain, by definition, cannot imagine. If the brain is nonexistent, then how can the brain feel that if the ability to feel isn't even there?

Consider those who go their whole life without eyes. They don't dream anything remotely "visual-spatial" or in color, but rather experience dreams composed of what stimuli they DO know: Sound, touch, etc. They dream within the same framework in which they experience their world. Can you imagine what it would be like to possess the sonar ability of a bat? Can you imagine what a bee sees (it can see UV light)? We can "try" to imagine, but the fact is that our experience is purely defined by what we can interpret and process.

A "space can be created" by the merit that it is created. Again, we have so much evidence to make it abundantly clear that our ability to perceive or imagine something is not relevant to whether or not something happens. A space is created by being created. An observer is formed when the necessary parts for observing are present. When our brains are not existent, we experience nothing -- since the brain is what is doing the experiencing, it makes no sense to assume it can experience when it doesn't exist! These are simple, intuitive truths that are backed up by evidence.