Homosexuality.

[devonin]

Stev019:

1) Don't triple post, don't double post. There's an edit button in every post you make that allows you to change the text therein.

2) While just responding to the OP isn't necessarily a -bad- thing, in CT being aware of the course the conversation has taken is quite important as you'll often find your points have been brought up already, or that the discussion has developed into something quite different from the original post.

3) Their faith says it is wrong, because their faith says that sex is for procreation only, and that homosexuality runs counter to that premise. You're more than welcome to disagree (many do) but an internally consistant faith system is only "wrong" insofar as you can appeal to subjectivity (ie. it is wrong to me) That's the nature of an unfalsifiable claim, and since they can't prove God -did- say that and you can't prove God -didn't- say that, we need to basically just give faith systems their own space to play in, and only engage them when they try to enforce their beliefs outside their sphere.

Put another way: Their faith -does- say that they could go to hell for that decision, so it only stands to reason that as people who believe in that faith system, they would feel that way as well.

As for gay men having to "become bi" first. Where does that come from? The labels we put on things are only labels anyway, and are vague in that they don't precisely define themselves. If you're a guy and you think "That's a really handsome guy" are you bisexual? What if you think "1970s Bowie...hmm...I'd have to think about that"? The only real objective way to define sexuality at all is to only apply "heterosexual" to the 100% hetero people, who have never even once thought a member of the same sex was at all sexually appealing, and to do the same for homosexual, and apply bi to a measurably perfect 50/50 split.

In other words: You can't apply them objectively to -anybody-

So I'm really not seeing any brainwashing going on that says that you'd need to go gay-bi-hetero at all. Also, if your point is "We're born how we are, and there is never anything wrong with that, nobody should judge" what about people who have always been attracted sexually to children? to animals? What about people who have always been prone to poor impulse control, violent outbursts? If we can prove any of these things are genetic, are you completely in support of letting all such people practice those things without fear of judgement or persecution?

To ARROWUP:

Homosexuality has to do with religion insofar as you are talking about a religion with a stated opinion on homosexuality. It "became involved" because the bible is quite specific about a number of things: Marriage being between a man and woman, Sex only being for inside marriage, Sex only being for procreation. In the face of these tenets, something like homosexuality is involved because it is an affront to their belief about God's purpose for people in the world.