SM tournament (Round 15)

[Shashakiro]

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also, sticky

[Rebirth0]

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Half of the song list is PPP. I said earlier, that I would post a link to the simfile we play every round.

Shash: If you check the stepmania ini, marvs require half of the timing you need to get a perfect. So you'd think they should be worth two times more. Same for greats and perfects. I think I'm going to keep it the same =/

Richy: I could do that. Give you guys the weekends off or something. Or just give you two days for a weekend round.

[PsYcHoZeRoSk8eR]

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Awesome on the sticky.

I really hope that we don't have to play on smo because I messed mine up really bad and I won't take the time to figure out what i did wrong and fix it. Re-downloading isn't the issue because I have already tried that.

...Unless I play on my laptop, but then my scores wouldn't be as good. Fine, whatever happens happens and I'll just have to live with it. /rambling

[ReikonKeiri]

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lol if its SMO i cant play at all cause when i tried to get smo it screwed up and didnt work

[Rebirth0]

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If you're a regular here, I've probably seen your scores, so you probably don't have to play on SMO for this thing. That was directed at the random people making their first posts in this thread.

[Shashakiro]

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Shash: If you check the stepmania ini, marvs require half of the timing you need to get a perfect. So you'd think they should be worth two times more.

I know that quite well, but that's completely irrelevant IMO--it has to do with how many points you lose for NOT getting marvs, not how many you earn for getting them, since you're comparing scores with the max possible. With your system it's -2 for perfs, -3 for greats, which doesn't make any sense--you should lose at least twice as much for getting a great as you do for getting a perf.

By your system, if there were ridics (8), super-ridics (16), ultra-ridics (32), and flawless-ridics (64), each with half the timing window of the last one, you could AAA a 1000 note song with 20 perfs, 100 marvs, 180 ridics, and 300 of each of the others (assuming you aren't good enough to time anything past super-ridics) and you'd get...let's see...55.4% DP. Would that really make sense? Think about it.

[Rebirth0]

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Alright, so I could do [Great: +1, Perfect: +3, Marvelous: +6]. Yes?

[Shashakiro]

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Still seems too timing - weighted to me.

Here's what I'd use if I was running this:

Marv - 5
Perf - 4
Great - 2
Good - -2
Boo - -10
Miss - -15
OK - 0
NG - -8

I personally think perf to great is twice as bad as marv to perf, which is why I'd use -3 vs -1. Also, IMO freezes shouldn't make something easier to get a high DP on, since NG's are fairly rare anyway.

It's your tournament, so use what you'd like. I'm just making suggestions.

[powerdown]

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Been seriously bored lately playing SM, so this might be a welcome change of pace, albeit i'll probably be out in the first round. But hey w/e, all in good fun right?

[Tasselfoot]

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meh. i'll join... but it is insane how bad i am at SM, even compared to FFR.

is there a beginners division?

[powerdown]

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meh. i'll join... but it is insane how bad i am at SM, even compared to FFR.

is there a beginners division?

I agree with the Tass Man here, i think you should have an Advanced Division, and a Novice Division. That way people like Tass and I (among others) arent getting raped by people such as yourself or Shash etc...

[argo15]

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I agree with Shash because he is a math genious. If he did what he was doing with perfs and greats for goods, boos, and misses then it is most logical.

[Rebirth0]

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Sorry, but I'm only going to do one division.

Shash, your DP table looks good, I might use that instead of the one I'm using. I'll probably reduce the number of DP you lose for getting a Boo or Miss though. The numbers seem too high compared to Perfects and Marvelous.

[Shashakiro]

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I'll probably reduce the number of DP you lose for getting a Boo or Miss though. The numbers seem too high compared to Perfects and Marvelous.

Mine's actually a bit more lenient than DDR/SM DP, which is -4/-8 vs 2 (so -3x/-5x)...mine is -10/-15 vs 5, which is -3x/-4x.

The point of it being so harsh is that if you're getting a lot of CB's, accuracy should be essentially irrelevant...which is how it's always been. If you do decide to lower it, also lower NG's for the same reason

Still though, use whatever you like.

[imRiChY]

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Yeah, -15 for a miss and -10 for a boo is way too much. I agree that you might adjust the perfect and marvellous from +4/+7 (respectively) to something else, but giving such a penalty for CB's might not be correct.

Let me present to you an example:
We have a song with 100 steps (yes, it's a joke-sim XD)
Rebirth has an insane run. He goes out there and gets 99 marv, but his finger slips at the last arrow and he gets a little miss... Aaawwh...

Some other guy on the other hand, does not mess up this ONE arrow (completely random, maybe lag-miss, random keyboard-miss, or something else). He gets 81 marv and 19 perfects. YEY. He AAA'd. Nice for him. Not only did he AAA, but his score beats Rebirth's DP.

Rebirh: (99 * 5) + (1 * - 15) = 480
Random: (81 * 5) + (10 * 4) = 481

Is this really fair? Yeah I know, he missed the darn arrow, but so what? Is it not better than having a "poor" MA, but no CB's ?