Who's fault would it be?

[gold stinger]

Re: Who's fault would it be?



@OP:
That is some logical fallacy level stuff.

I deal with the similar stuff all the time at mine & my brother's apartment. He doesn't do dishes, he doesn't clean up after himself, and doesn't do any chores around the house, when he's supposed to. I end up having to cover for him, but what would happen if I didn't? Dishes would pile up, the apartment would become a mess, a cat would die because it's not getting fed, a pile of garbage would pile up at the door. And, I've talked with him before about it, in one ear and out the other. So who's to blame?

In my personal opinion, it's my brother's for not stepping up to the tasks and getting them done, and it's also mine for not drawing lines in the sand and create a bigger fuss on it.

Expanding on what mina said, I know the right thing to do is to make a bigger fuss about it and put him in line, but I know my brother has anger management issues to the point where it's abusive, and right now, the option of covering for him is more convenient for my life right now as I find a way to separate us down the road.

[Technoid]

Re: Who's fault would it be?

I just used drunk driving as an example, FYI the exact thing that's going on is someone I know doesn't really know how to drive, and he is around people who probably don't know how to drive well, "maybe" teaching him to drive, and he has a car, apparently has no license, the car's insurance is in someone else's name, I don't know what's going on with the car's plates. He recently drove alone, apparently not a very far distance. He's very careless, he's probably going to do that more often. I'm just wondering, if he wrecks and kills someone, is that on me, morally, because I didn't do anything to stop him? He doesn't listen to me, he's in another city now, so I couldn't just tell him to stop. Should I call the police? I don't know what the best course of action would be.

I guess my other thing, ilikexd, was a bad example. But like, not related to my current situation, if trying to help him would just pull me down too, but not helping wouldn't really cost anyone else their life, should I try to help or not? I tend to get selfish and just think that I didn't chose to live that way, so I shouldn't let anyone who has chosen to ruin their life ruin my own.

But what if not helping could potentially hurt, or even kill, someone else?

@gold stinger: Just a suggestion, but maybe it would help to make it inconvenient for him to leave a mess. Doesn't do the dishes? Pile them on his bed. Trash? Same thing. Nothing off your back, and then he has to clean it up.

[-JiZ53-]

Re: Who's fault would it be?

the people who enforce and create the laws dont abide by them, so why should we make a big deal out of breaking the law? we shouldnt base our sense of morality on the law alone.

[Technoid]

Re: Who's fault would it be?

I'm not talking about the law. Just using it to prevent a possible accident.

[stargroup100]

Re: Who's fault would it be?

you're making the logical error of conflating a failure of responsibility with a criminal conviction

I think this is the best answer in the thread. By separating these two concepts, you can better understand the underlying concepts and reach non-conflicting conclusions.

Even discounting that, however, the question of responsibility could still be debatable based on the context. If he's the kind of person that you cannot stop without excess interference in his personal life, it's understandable that someone would choose to not take any action. Let's say you did manage to stop him, but now you're in trouble for meddling in other people's personal affairs. At the end of the day, it bites back at you and there's no saying whether or not you actually did protect anyone. It may have done more harm than good by inconveniencing you.

Here's a thought experiment:
If someone handed you a small remote and told you not to press the button as it would kill someone, are you guilty of murder if you hit the button and it happened to directly result in someone's death?

[-JiZ53-]

Re: Who's fault would it be?

I'm not talking about the law. Just using it to prevent a possible accident.

I get the feeling that you arent being completely forthright with us as to what this is actually about. why do think an accident is so likely to happen? there are plenty of bad drivers out there who have licenses and insurance, are you worried about them as well? if traffic accidents are such a major concern of yours, maybe you should get a job with the IIHS. have you written to lobbyists about enacting stricter laws against using the phone while driving? I get the feeling that you are not motivated by the general welfare of others , or that you arent being honest. you already admitted that your first post "was just using drunk driving as an example", how do we know that you arent still lying and "just using driving as an example"?