TWG Turbo 38: Africa Feeble:mind Metaphor Game Thread

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

?

you seem to be playing with a lot of guarantees and locks for a mystery game

You know what his role is too, or can probably make a very good guess.

Is that ever a wolf role? I don't think I've ever seen it be wolf sided in all the games I've ever played or watched. So he's town to me. Plus the quirks of my role lets me guarantee he is town even on top of knowing his role.

The only reason I'm being obtuse about this and not just saying what I mean outright is I don't really want to out him until he's ok with it. I guess I'll do it if he never posts for the rest of the day and I somehow get more votes and need to save myself , but I see no need to at the moment

I'll eventually say exactly what my role does, and it will definitely happen before EOD. Then you'll understand why I can be so sure.

[FreezinIce]

Well I won't say exactly what it does verbatim because that would be against the rules but I'll explain it well enough

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

?

you seem to be playing with a lot of guarantees and locks for a mystery game

I mean, it was his role action he did in the very same post he revealed it... idk why you're saying this

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I'd like to hear from Subaru or Zenith (or even Star tbh, feel like death posts have been underutilized!)

and I'm curious if bug will come back even though they already voted

What would you like to hear? I do apologize though, I am currently in and out of thread repeatedly because I'm currently preoccupied irl, but I am trying my best to pop in here as frequently as I can be

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I'll eventually say exactly what my role does, and it will definitely happen before EOD. Then you'll understand why I can be so sure.

I guess I'm wondering what are you waiting on at this point....?

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

What would you like to hear? I do apologize though, I am currently in and out of thread repeatedly because I'm currently preoccupied irl, but I am trying my best to pop in here as frequently as I can be

Mainly what do you think about Freezin? and where do you think your vote might go

[SubaruPoptart]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

The problem for the wolf team in the extremely likely scenario that Raeko/bug is that they need to kill me this day phase since big already locked a vote on me, but they can't really tie my to any wolf partner

I can't be tied to zenith because he is town with a town role and will pretty much be locked town once me or him reveals it

I can't be partnered with bug because I'm planning on voting bug with locked votes in lylo.

I can't be partnered with raeko because unless she goes for the insane scenario I detailed in the previous post, she is forced to vote me with her partner.

What do you mean "locked town once me or him reveals it" btw? I had a vague worry that zenith could be potentially bad, but to be quite honest I feel good about you confirming any doubt I had that zenith is good; you've just about admitted to it.

I don't really see the point of being hush-hush with your role especially if youve supposedly got such catastrophic info that'd borderline solve the game. Hyperbole be damned i feel like we're way past the point to be fuckin around like this if you wanna portray yourself as anything worth keeping alive. Either you're actively withholding info or you're making up some bullshit, I don't like either look. I've been out and about with my role since start of this phase, I strongly feel like there would have been a snipe by now should those exist. Everyone would have been at risk at every point of the game, none of it is adding up to me.

I'm home now still finishing this up on phone but pretty much you've inadvertently cleared zenith to me, I already figured they were cool as well by now but that solidifies it. I'm feeling strongly about bug town, in my mind the pairing would most likely be raeko/freezin but if the third party allegations are remotely credible it sucks cuz I'd imagine killing a neutral is also still condition for lylo. We'd be fucked despite getting a non-town out, cuz there's still 2 wolves. Gonna hit send before I spend another 50 minutes on this. I'm overthinking like a mf there's a lotta assumptions and moving parts I hate itttt lmaoo

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I guess I'm wondering what are you waiting on at this point....?

Iono, dramatic tension I guess.

Whatever I'll spill the beans. No point really in waiting any more. Zenith sorry if you didn't want this.

My role gives me all the private chat information of any one person I choose. I saw it and immediately thought of it as a weirdly ghetto but extremely powerful seering. Initially I thought if I got nothing back, would just be VT and if I got wolf chat logs, well rip them I guess.

That's why I spent so much time thinking about the Madworld scenario, a role like this being in the game almost points to no wolves existing just because it ends the game if I hit one and get their wolf chat.

But anyways, I picked zenith, and got all his chatlogs as a jailer (well it's sort of a jailer, can't really say I've seen a consensual jailer before lol)

I've never seen a wolf jailer though, and plus if he was a wolf I would've gotten his convo logs with his partner. So that's why he is lock town to me.

If you have any questions I'll answer them

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart

I'm feeling strongly about bug town

how come?

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart

What do you mean "locked town once me or him reveals it" btw? I had a vague worry that zenith could be potentially bad, but to be quite honest I feel good about you confirming any doubt I had that zenith is good; you've just about admitted to it.

I don't really see the point of being hush-hush with your role especially if youve supposedly got such catastrophic info that'd borderline solve the game. Hyperbole be damned i feel like we're way past the point to be fuckin around like this if you wanna portray yourself as anything worth keeping alive. Either you're actively withholding info or you're making up some bullshit, I don't like either look. I've been out and about with my role since start of this phase, I strongly feel like there would have been a snipe by now should those exist. Everyone would have been at risk at every point of the game, none of it is adding up to me.

I'm home now still finishing this up on phone but pretty much you've inadvertently cleared zenith to me, I already figured they were cool as well by now but that solidifies it. I'm feeling strongly about bug town, in my mind the pairing would most likely be raeko/freezin but if the third party allegations are remotely credible it sucks cuz I'd imagine killing a neutral is also still condition for lylo. We'd be fucked despite getting a non-town out, cuz there's still 2 wolves. Gonna hit send before I spend another 50 minutes on this. I'm overthinking like a mf there's a lotta assumptions and moving parts I hate itttt lmaoo

Why do you think me and Raeko are partners here? Did you read my recent posts?

[FreezinIce]

Not to be rude but if you have reasons for bug being town when they locked a vote on me in lylo, or me and Raeko being partners, you need to share them so I can debunk them. Unless they are throwing wolves are going to stack on me and I need everyone to be on the same page if we want to win

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Iono, dramatic tension I guess.

Whatever I'll spill the beans. No point really in waiting any more. Zenith sorry if you didn't want this.

My role gives me all the private chat information of any one person I choose. I saw it and immediately thought of it as a weirdly ghetto but extremely powerful seering. Initially I thought if I got nothing back, would just be VT and if I got wolf chat logs, well rip them I guess.

That's why I spent so much time thinking about the Madworld scenario, a role like this being in the game almost points to no wolves existing just because it ends the game if I hit one and get their wolf chat.

But anyways, I picked zenith, and got all his chatlogs as a jailer (well it's sort of a jailer, can't really say I've seen a consensual jailer before lol)

I've never seen a wolf jailer though, and plus if he was a wolf I would've gotten his convo logs with his partner. So that's why he is lock town to me.

If you have any questions I'll answer them

was wolf chat specifically included? Is it possible that private chat information excluded wolf chat for some reason?

I could tell you had read mine and Zenith's chat because of the cats and dogs thing

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

was wolf chat specifically included? Is it possible that private chat information excluded wolf chat for some reason?

I could tell you had read mine and Zenith's chat because of the cats and dogs thing

Wolf chat is a private chat so while it's possible sunfan just decided they arnt the same, if I was hosting I would've included language specifically saying wolfchat wasn't included if that was the case.

Even if for some reason they arnt, I've still never seen a wolf jailer ever so zenith being a wolf isn't even worth thinking about in my mind

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Oh, are you saying that me calling you a hypothetical VT there was accurate in the sense your role isn't really viable at this time?

Cause that's just weird, I was only trying to convey you felt like a plain vanilla towny at that time, someone without roles to think about

no, my point was that you said "IF there is vt in this game" which felt a bit strange because from my pov everyone typically assumes vt as the default town role unless stated otherwise.

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Wolf chat is a private chat so while it's possible sunfan just decided they arnt the same, if I was hosting I would've included language specifically saying wolfchat wasn't included if that was the case.

Even if for some reason they arnt, I've still never seen a wolf jailer ever so zenith being a wolf isn't even worth thinking about in my mind

If Zenith isn't guilty then it has to be you and bug

I still think your role is kinda weird but you have been very open about it (while also being cryptic but that was understandable lol)

bug's vote on you is super weird in this situation but maybe they just thought it was a good way to distance/bus ??????

that still doesn't really make sense though

[FreezinIce]

....I just realized sunfan wouldn't announce lylo if there were no wolves. Damn, all the effort wasted thinking about an impossible scenario.

He wouldn't.....would he?

Yeah I'm just gonna assume it's a regular game with wolves from now on

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

If Zenith isn't guilty then it has to be you and bug

I still think your role is kinda weird but you have been very open about it (while also being cryptic but that was understandable lol)

bug's vote on you is super weird in this situation but maybe they just thought it was a good way to distance/bus ??????

that still doesn't really make sense though

If you believe this then mechanically you should vote bug here.

But I agree that me and bug together makes 0 sense. Your point of view has to be pretty insane ATM if you are somehow town

[FreezinIce]

But you realize that I'm 100% voting bug here, so now you have your 2 wolfreads voting each other in lylo.

That's funny

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

Alright, mostly because I'm bored I'll uncap the lid on my madworld scenario.

The scenario being, there are no wolves and everyone is town.

There are a few reasons why I think this might be the case.

1) I have an insanely detailed seering power (other than not giving color) that pretty much would end the game if I hit a wolf. That's just how strong it is. There is no reason for a role with this op of a power to exist in a normal game.

2) being told there is the presence of an ability that can kill in an unorthodox way. It's just such a random thing to have in your role PM

Which makes me think there are a bunch of town roles with weird killing conditions, maybe active on different nights or under certain conditions and they have been making the night kills. And most people only have a small piece of the puzzle, maybe they only know about 1 other killing power existing each.

...or this could just be a normal game and Raeko and bug are the wolves.

Meh

this is an interesting premise but my role has nothing to do with killing abilities, just posting

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

this is an interesting premise but my role has nothing to do with killing abilities, just posting

Don't worry, it was moot anyways because I missed that sunfan announced lylo which wouldn't happen if everyone was town. So just treat it like a fever dream. I'm paranoid about fuckery ever since TWG 200.