TWG 150: Undertale

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Flowey

Did I misinterpret your question at the end? Because, HAH that would that just be just fucking precious right now.

you probably did since i was just wondering why you felt the way you did about sans's reaction to getting checked

[TWG Flowey]

Sorry about that though really. That was definitely stupid of me.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Flowey

Sorry about that though really. That was definitely stupid of me.

its all good, no worries

[TWG Tsunderplane]

but yeah i'd love to hear your thoughts on the reaction since it seems we are reading it two extremely different ways

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG Temmie

Undyne, do you think there is a chance that Sans or Alphys are fakeclaiming as town to bait someone out?
also, I meant nightkill in my last post, my bad

This wasn't directed at me, but I did somewhat view Sans's bomb claim as potential baiting.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

claiming bomb as a bait makes no sense because it accomplishes absolutely nothing if they actually are the bomb (since humans will just not wolfkill them) and gives a human a very convenient excuse for never getting nightkilled

assuming sans isn't really the bomb, which i am absolutely convinced is the case, there's no sense in having a counterclaim when it would just throw away the entire point of the role

[TWG Tsunderplane]

basically what i'm trying to say is that sans's claim makes no sense no matter how i approach this

[TWG Undyne]

Originally Posted by TWG Flowey

I will do the one thing I never do.

Which is apologize.

I'm close to doing something I never do, either.

[TWG Napstablook]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

basically what i'm trying to say is that sans's claim makes no sense no matter how i approach this

True.

[TWG Undyne]

Originally Posted by TWG Tsunderplane

there's no sense in having a counterclaim when it would just throw away the entire point of the role

!!EXCELLENT POINT ALERT!!

Probably would have been better to claim green in that scenario. Or even a valuable role to bait a wolf kill. Ooh, that'd be cool.

It's also like someone said earlier - bomb claim, What a convenient excuse to not die for every phase afterwards! I can definitely place Sans' reaction as a red caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

At the same time though, I can see Flowey's point in that I'm a little worried about Alphys just making some kind of wacky play here. "It's too easy" etc.

[TWG Tsunderplane]

Originally Posted by TWG Undyne

It's also like someone said earlier - bomb claim, What a convenient excuse to not die for every phase afterwards! I can definitely place Sans' reaction as a red caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

that was also me as my immediate gut reaction to seeing the claim thank you for remembering

[TWG Mettaton]

something that really stuck out to me about sans's behavior post-claim was how he was trying to bully specific people into agreeing with him

the obvious thing he was doing was calling us shit for believing Alphys here, I don't think I need to go into more detail

but even more interesting was how he was calling specific players by name in order to coerce them --- "sunfan you're better than this" --- this imo is an attempt to pressure players into agreeing with him, because it deliberately brings players' reputations into play here.

[TWG Temmie]

post crop lazy fix: "Muffet believed Alphys is cop" should be "Muffet believed Alphys is not cop"

[TWG Mettaton]

at the same time, it's an attempt to "reduce the distance" between sans and certain players by breaking down one of the barriers -- anonymity

at the same time accomplishing the "bringing reputation" into the decision of believing Alphys. (PS: it's conniving)

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Temmie

post crop lazy fix: "Muffet believed Alphys is cop" should be "Muffet believed Alphys is not cop"

this is fine and dandy but what is your prescription for a lynch

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Mettaton

at the same time, it's an attempt to "reduce the distance" between sans and certain players by breaking down one of the barriers -- anonymity

at the same time accomplishing the "bringing reputation" into the decision of believing Alphys. (PS: it's conniving)

I'm arguing that sans is a wolf btw

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Mad Dummy

I really think the way he started out the day pushing on Napsta feels like a bus. He didn't have any thought towards reconsideration.

if this is true, and sans flips wolf, then I agree with you

but I would need to investigate this point to make sure

[TWG Mettaton]

the alternative is that sans thought of napsta as a "weak" target which he could suitably construct a case against and not have to worry about lynching a town because napsta wasn't actually gonna die

[TWG Mettaton]

Originally Posted by TWG Mettaton

the alternative is that sans thought of napsta as a "weak" target which he could suitably construct a case against and not have to worry about lynching a town because napsta wasn't actually gonna die

^ this point is why I'm generally naturally suspicious of people that don't join one of the major wagons of in a lynch

[TWG Mettaton]

Also guys, I have good news: I think we can 100% win this game if all of the town with guns claim they got a gun