TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

[Tokzic]

tokzic [8:32 PM]
where did you get the idea

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that two people came out to dlgn

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wait a second

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xiz said that

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holy shit looking through old messages on slack is hard

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you just quoted it

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fffffffffffff

dabackpack [8:42 PM]
what

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oh

tokzic [8:43 PM]
that xiz/ayase exchange is what made me claim in the first place

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just trying to detective out where the idea that both hobos had claimed came from

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when none of them had

dabackpack [8:43 PM]
Oh wait

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I had the idea that dlgn was a PR, and was trying to find his partner

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but two people came to him, that's why he was adamant about rzr being a wolf

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but that is wrong

tokzic [8:45 PM]
gotcha gotcha

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dbp i have no idea how to read you

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pls help

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do you hate wolves

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do you want them to die

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[ ] y [ ] n

dabackpack [8:51 PM]
yes I want them to die

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[x] y

tokzic [8:52 PM]
that was a timed question

dabackpack [8:52 PM]
oh

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rip

tokzic [8:52 PM]
it took you way too long to decide that you want wolves to die

dabackpack [8:53 PM]
I was busy fucking up in the main thread

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things*

tokzic [8:53 PM]
no harm no foul


----- December 6th -----
tokzic [10:04 PM]
where did you hide last night

dabackpack [10:04 PM]
dino den

tokzic [10:05 PM]
THAT'S RIGHT

dabackpack [10:05 PM]
?

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dinos are fuckin awesome

tokzic [10:05 PM]
seering was on you haha

dabackpack [10:05 PM]
lmao

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thx

tokzic [10:07 PM]
alright i have a really hard time imagining red just chilling in an exhibit

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so i'm going to go ahead and say you're 90% town

dlgn [6:14 PM]
are you a homeless guy?

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is that why you want it?

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because it's not as useful as you'd think

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imo

tokzic [6:19 PM]
i didn't say i want it

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i said i want a hobo in it

dlgn [6:19 PM]
w/e i just don't see why that is useful

tokzic [6:19 PM]
because if we can get hobos to 50/50 with wolves

dlgn [6:19 PM]
maybe if they lose their one escape

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then let them

tokzic [6:19 PM]
with powers intact

dlgn [6:20 PM]
but don't waste it on a homeless guy with their power still

tokzic [6:20 PM]
we win

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how is keeping our power roles intact

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a waste

dlgn [6:25 PM]
putting them in positions where their "power" may as well not exist is silly

tokzic [6:26 PM]
it's not though

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the later in the game they keep their powers alive

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the more utility the power has

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think if we get to a scenario with 2 humans 2 wolves 2 freezeproof hobos

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the hobos won't be lynched or killable


----- December 5th -----
tokzic [5:57 PM]
what

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i just read that two hobos claimed to you

dlgn [5:57 PM]
backpack thought that two claimed to me

tokzic [5:59 PM]
so just the one then

dlgn [5:59 PM]
yes

tokzic [6:27 PM]
alright well

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i kind of gave it away

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just there

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but i'm the other hobo

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i'm not going to be private about this though

dlgn [6:32 PM]
here's the part where I come clean as soon as possible: I said one had claimed to me in hopes that one finally would take me up on the offer, but none have :disappointed:

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you were on my shortlist for possible HG's, though

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i think I made that clear when I initially messaged you, lmao

tokzic [6:33 PM]
lmfao

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that occurred to me

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i was like "i feel like dolgin isn't being 100% straightforward"

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but i couldn't decide whether both hobos had come to you

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or neither

dlgn [6:34 PM]
haha sorry, that's the only lie i've told this game though, promise!!

tokzic [6:34 PM]
or if you were a hobo yourself

dlgn [6:34 PM]
but i couldn't decide whether both hobos had come to you

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ill pretend you didn't say that

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LOL

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i think you just meant 2, one presumably being fake

tokzic [6:37 PM]
yeah that's what i'm saying

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that's why i messaged you in the first place

dlgn [6:38 PM]
yeah, i'm 99%+ sure you are actually a HG haha

tokzic [6:38 PM]
because if two hobo claims were on the table then we had a wolf on our hands

dlgn [6:38 PM]
yep

dlgn [7:43 PM]
sigh

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I wish you didn't post that

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If you were suspicious of me that's one thing

tokzic [7:44 PM]
i am suspicious of you

dlgn [7:44 PM]
but all that did was give the idiots ammunition

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welp

tokzic [7:44 PM]
i mean

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ok this is a topic in three places right now i'm just going to say it in the game channel

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why

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did you feel the need to lie

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about getting a claim

dlgn [7:49 PM]
because i think you realize how fucking worthless your PR is

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and how I can do nothing to take advantage of it as a wolf

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I literally wanted to set the two of oyu up

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that is all

tokzic [7:50 PM]
this pr is great are you serious

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this pr is insanely strong in this format

dlgn [7:50 PM]
uhhh

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ok

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i don't care so much about it anymore

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but want to enjoy this game and do some interesting things with the room the rules allow

tokzic [7:51 PM]
also if we had followed your plan and you were a wolf

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you would have had complete knowledge of every action

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of the two confirmed humans

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is that "nothing"

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to take advantage of

dlgn [7:51 PM]
jfc if you cannot realize that my plan was, BEOFRE THE RULE CHANGE, COMEPLETELY TOWNSIDED, I don't know what to tell you

tokzic [7:52 PM]
the rule change is entirely independent of what we're talking about

dlgn [7:53 PM]
it really isn't

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vendetta is using my forum settings as a case against me

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so I don't mind suggesting that THE RULE FUCKING CHANGED BECAUSE YOSHL REALIZED I SAW A WAY TO SOLVE THE GAME IN A FUCKING DAY FOR TOWN

tokzic [7:55 PM]
ok listen

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i'm not arguing

dlgn [7:56 PM]
there was a better way of doing this

tokzic [7:56 PM]
that using the bathrooms would have resulted in confirmed town

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what i'm arguing is

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that wolves have three heads

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this easily could have occurred to them

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and trading outing that knowledge

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in exchange for full knowledge of hobo actions

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is a pretty good deal

dlgn [7:57 PM]
yeah I realize that, but really, it has gotten me literally nothing

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except a bunch of grief

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as town

dlgn [9:06 PM]
i assure you

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100%

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I am town

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I very strongly suggest you send me to the booth tonight

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it would be fantastic if I died

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don't out it in the thread, in fact suggesting that you will go is probably a good thing, idk

tokzic [9:06 PM]
i've already got my plan for who's going into the booth tonight

dlgn [9:07 PM]
i hope you consider what I said

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that's all

dlgn [10:03 PM]
please please please

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if you believe botchi

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and botchi feels ok about me

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please consider sending me into the booth

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i think my dying would not be a bad outcome

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honestly regardless of who you believe

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i don't want to rush you

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but i'd like to get my night action in sooner rather than later

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if you can tell me what you would like me to do

tokzic [10:10 PM]
man i keep telling you

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i have my plan for the booth already

dlgn [10:11 PM]
i want to die

tokzic [10:11 PM]
why do you want to die

dlgn [10:11 PM]
it's almost certainly going to be used

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because I am the easiest scapegoat this game has ever seen

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so I am an unlikely kill

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but if i do die

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GREAT

tokzic [10:12 PM]
nobody is a likely kill

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wolves target rooms and not people

dlgn [10:12 PM]
true

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this game is fucking weird

tokzic [10:12 PM]
i don't even get where you're coming from with the easy scapegoat thing either

dlgn [10:12 PM]
are you fucking serious

tokzic [10:12 PM]
i feel like the only person who still suspects you

dlgn [10:12 PM]
the entire game wanted me dead

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yeah at EOD maybe

tokzic [10:13 PM]
eod's the only time that counts

dlgn [10:13 PM]
tomorrow it'll be easy af to return to

tokzic [10:13 PM]
guess we'll see

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if you're really town

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don't give up

dlgn [10:13 PM]
like I have no reason why anybody switched off of me

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they have 0 reason to stick to that

roundbox [6:56 PM]
dlgn mentioned one of the hobos messaged him. would you be that hobo?

tokzic [6:59 PM]
nope

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turns out he was lying about that xD

roundbox [7:00 PM]
interesting

tokzic [7:00 PM]
dlgn [6:32 PM]
here's the part where I come clean as soon as possible: I said one had claimed to me in hopes that one finally would take me up on the offer, but none have :disappointed:

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you were on my shortlist for possible HG's, though

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i think I made that clear when I initially messaged you, lmao

tokzic [8:01 PM]
why is dpb on your radar

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i haven't isoed him yet

roundbox [8:02 PM]
he isn't doing the same amount of work he usually does as town

tokzic [8:02 PM]
but he's null leaning green for me at the moment

roundbox [9:15 PM]
if you can't figure out why I want to roll for slots

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we will find out if one of the people we randomly assigned is the movie stalker

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since they can't occupy the bathroom, we will find out by n2 their identity in the event that one of the people we assigned was the stalker

tokzic [9:16 PM]
i see where you're going with this

roundbox [9:16 PM]
I think you should random.org it and tell people

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publicly, that is

tokzic [9:16 PM]
wouldn't it be better to specifically target suspicious people

roundbox [9:16 PM]
it's the best way to decide, plus we can potentially catch a wolf with it

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you could say that

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you randomed

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but didn't

tokzic [9:16 PM]
lmao

roundbox [9:17 PM]
nobody would be able to tell

tokzic [9:17 PM]
the thing though

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is that there's still the straggler wolf

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if that's the plan

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they can just choose to not go in the bathrooms

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if the people in the list are not the movie stalker

roundbox [9:17 PM]
true

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I still think it's good

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in the event the straggler tries to sabotage somthing

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it's better than them fucking with the person going to security room/kidz zone

tokzic [9:18 PM]
i continue to think

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the best use of bathrooms

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is just to keep hobo freezeproofs as long as possible

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wolves can only use 2 slots if they choose not to use ac room, which i think is dumb and unlikely

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so probably they'll use 1

roundbox [9:20 PM]
right

tokzic [9:20 PM]
one hobo uses one slot

roundbox [9:20 PM]
so

tokzic [9:20 PM]
and then we get one slot tomorrow

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right

roundbox [9:20 PM]
depending on how fast the pm is

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if wolves sabotage one more slot then it's a race

tokzic [9:20 PM]
huh

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if wolves sabotaged one more slot

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then bathrooms would seal

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and nobody would die

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where does the race come in

roundbox [9:21 PM]
I was looking at it

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from the strategy of

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"send a hobo to the bathrooms and nobody else"

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on n1

tokzic [9:22 PM]
right right

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so you follow me

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that leaves n2 one slot

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and if wolves tried to do it again they'd be coinflipping killing a wolf

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which i also think is unlikely

roundbox [9:22 PM]
potentially

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the first person to get their pm in takes up bathroom slot

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this is where the race idea comes in

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so if that same wolf was trying to force the hobo out

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they would only do so if they got their pm in before the hobo

tokzic [9:24 PM]
right

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but in doing so

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they'd be risking -1 wolf

roundbox [9:24 PM]
only if they freeze the main hall

tokzic [9:24 PM]
i thought main hall always kills half

roundbox [9:24 PM]
nope

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they have to choose to freeze it

tokzic [9:24 PM]
but wolves can target to kill all

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oh

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okay interesting

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so actually there's no risk at all for them to spam bathrooms every night

roundbox [9:26 PM]
yes

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does this change your plan at all?

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from my perspective

tokzic [9:29 PM]
not really

roundbox [9:30 PM]
a wolf's best freeze is an exhibit

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I don't see them freezing main hall

tokzic [9:30 PM]
same

roundbox [9:30 PM]
RISKY PLAY: I'm thinking about hiding in main hall tonight

tokzic [9:30 PM]
so bathrooms remain essentially a safe spot

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that's actually somewhat less risky than other places

roundbox [9:31 PM]
I have a plan behind it to

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too*

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gonna message a bunch of people telling them I'm hiding in exhibit X and not to join me

roundbox [11:25 PM]
progress on this

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I told AA I'm going to space space and Dabackpack I'm goingto Ancient Archives

tokzic [11:27 PM]
lmao nice

roundbox [11:27 PM]
gonna find 3 more people

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think I should include botchi/xiz?

tokzic [11:28 PM]
if you tell two wolves two different places won't that ruin the play

roundbox [11:28 PM]
yes and no

tokzic [11:29 PM]
i think skip on botchi/xiz for that reason

roundbox [11:29 PM]
I'm not hiding in any exhibit though

rzr [5:58 PM]
you really think V is scummy again?

tokzic [6:06 PM]
never said that

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said i don't know what to make of him

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i think his behaviour about kidz zone is scummy

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i can see that thought occurring to red v

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"haha i will deny humans using the kidz zone by saying i will use it no matter what and if we die oh well!!"

rzr [6:29 PM]
I don't see why a human would want to go to the kidz zone no matter what

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sorry it took me a min to catch back up

tokzic [6:29 PM]
that's what i'm saying

rzr [6:31 PM]
I can agree with that. What do you think about a dlgn/V team?

tokzic [6:34 PM]
makes a lot of sense

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whenever i'm red with v he makes a point of wanting to argue with me

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which he did with dolgin really heavily

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and then stopped very suddenly

rzr [6:36 PM]
and he also said he sounded genuinely town right?

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let's see what I can do.
odds of 2 scum games in a row? rzr/10

tokzic [6:40 PM]
i think dolgin is coming across scummier than v

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but i can see them being partners

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dolgin is simultaneously posting a lot about mechanics

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while not understanding mechanics very much at all

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the bit in slack general where he was saying seering is pointless

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wat

rzr [6:42 PM]
I don't see his motives as town oriented, just kinda finding something/anything that ​*could*​ be a plan

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What do you think a bout round/xiz?

tokzic [6:44 PM]
xiz feels town to me

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his reactions as he entered the thread

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felt pretty pure to me

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roundbox is null

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could go either way
tokzic [6:45 PM]
way less game theory than i expect of him

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but it's early so that's not conclusive

rzr [6:47 PM]
I say (at this point) if round hasn't done much more he'd be a good d2 start

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Xiz I wish to see more from

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Gradiant6 concerns me - he seemed much more interested at the start then he does now


----- December 6th -----
tokzic [12:01 AM]
hey rzr

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do you want to seer tonight

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i'm pretty confident you're town

tokzic [12:08 AM]
okay you logged off nevermind

rzr [12:17 PM]
Hey my bad I don't know why it says I'm logged off (I was sleeping tho) so you guys lmk what we're thinking

tokzic [9:15 PM]
it looks like it's not gonna matter

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xiz is squatting the booth

rzr [9:16 PM]
I''m really tired but I gotta tell you somethin

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oh yeah

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but

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b

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do you think he actually will?

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if so because he's scum? if so I'm really concerned about AA

tokzic [9:17 PM]
it might not even be him doing it

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him being wolf would mean he could just say he's doing it and have a partner go too

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though that's really only a thing if he's stalker

rzr [9:19 PM]
so yeah you think the're throwing a wrench in the plan

tokzic [9:20 PM]
yeah we're getting our seering denied

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that's kind of interesting though

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because that means that wolves don't want us getting our seering off

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which means there's probably heat on at least one other wolf

rzr [9:21 PM]
I had a thought and I'm coming to you and instead, but remember this is just a thought

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well yeah

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so dap or AA

tokzic [9:22 PM]
yup

rzr [9:22 PM]
I still don't trust d;gn

tokzic [9:22 PM]
i still think dolgin's in the realm of possibility too

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yes

rzr [9:22 PM]
but

tokzic [9:22 PM]
i wish we had lynched him yesterday

rzr [9:22 PM]
didn't mean to write that

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yes

tokzic [9:22 PM]
he was easily the #1 info lynch

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and i did not find his reaction to being on the block

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towny at all

rzr [9:23 PM]
I have no idea how that gradiant shit

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no

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I listed like 8 reasons I thought he was sketchy

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but round was defending him

tokzic [9:24 PM]
v also went in hard on him, said he was confident about him being a wolf

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but then pulled out for reasons he couldn't say

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because ANGLESHOOTING

rzr [9:24 PM]
hmm I missed that

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I still don't fully underds

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tand

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that term lol

tokzic [9:25 PM]
it means using information that's not allowed in the rules e.g. pm info

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did you read that part in the slack

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where yoshl said STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS

rzr [9:25 PM]
nooo

tokzic [9:25 PM]
dbp was the one who initiated it

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hold on

rzr [9:26 PM]
oy

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I wanna see this - might condemn dap

tokzic [9:26 PM]
https://twig.slack.com/archives/free...49366405004482

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does that work i don't even know

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slack is hard

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it's awkward because it entirely diffused the dlgn wagon

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but we aren't even allowed to analyse precisely what he's talking about

rzr [9:29 PM]
all I "really" see is dlgn flipping out again
And I would say dap is human

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does work btw. very well it sends me to the top of chat where that part was

tokzic [9:30 PM]
v weirded me out there

rzr [9:30 PM]
where do you think I sould go?

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Do you trust roundbox?

tokzic [9:30 PM]
he went from being "very confident" dlgn was a wolf to thinking it was unlikely

rzr [9:31 PM]
when?

tokzic [9:31 PM]
and despite reading that bit over and over i can't follow where that thought process came from

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directly before it

rzr [9:31 PM]
in our pm's he said he thought he was human

tokzic [9:31 PM]
https://twig.slack.com/archives/free...49365093004305

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i don't know what to think of roundbox

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i don't think he's a good lynch candidate

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we talked a lot about the bathrooms

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and he pushed some plans that didn't actually have any use and would just immediately blow all our bathroom charges

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i got some weird vibes then

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but then other times he seems like he has a town mindset

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i thought his defense of dlgn was weak

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if dlgn is red i can see him being a partner

rzr [9:35 PM]
That aligns with what I just said publicly

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should I trust botchi?

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Also

tokzic [9:36 PM]
i'm 99% that xiz is the fakeclaimer

rzr [9:36 PM]
I'm talking to AA and since I'm on the fence about him I'm tgrying to think of something to ask him

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At this point there's 2 possibilities

​[9:37]
Botchi and you are homeless, Xiz and (b) and (c) are wolves

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or

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Xiz is human lol

tokzic [9:37 PM]
i have a really hard time seeing botchi fakeclaiming

rzr [9:37 PM]
hold on I got something good here

tokzic [9:37 PM]
alright

rzr [9:37 PM]
I don't believe it but it crfossed my mind

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you and botchi are wolves

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I mean it obviously has to cross other p[eoples minds right

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so bare with me

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if you were

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as scum

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secretly having more and more people go to the booth and anticipate them to be booted to the main hall

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and instead, freeze the main hall

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now

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pause

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I think exposing this thought process to dlgn and watching hisa reactions (like with gradiant)

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we could pin him

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that's my "plan"

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if he jumps on it I'd say him and xis are scum

tokzic [9:40 PM]
i'm always for reaction testing

​[9:40]
but immediately what should occur to him is

​[9:40]
that doesn't make any sense because then we'd have four hobo claims and not three

rzr [9:40 PM]
and the reason I say this to you is because why the fuck wouldn't a xiz PR want to do the seering

​[9:40]
wasn't it you him and botchi?

​[9:40]
xiz*

tokzic [9:41 PM]
right

​[9:41]
but in your thinking there you said me and botchi are wolves

​[9:41]
and xiz is human

​[9:41]
that leaves one hobo keeping quiet

​[9:41]
for some reason

​[9:42]
i mean there's nothing to lose trying it

rzr [9:42 PM]
Oh yeah

​[9:42]
true

​[9:42]
wouldn't my reply be the other guy didn't trust enough to claim

​[9:42]
ha

​[9:42]
maybe I could even get him to claim

​[9:42]
if I convinced him of my idea

​[9:43]
I mean "idea" ;p;

tokzic [9:43 PM]
worth a shot

​[9:43]
man i wish i got more than two hours of sleep

​[9:44]
this game is like four times as hard as it was yesterday

rzr [9:44 PM]
night talk makes it more interesting

​[9:44]
like the good ol days

​[9:44]
&&& oot

​[9:44]
thought::

​[9:45]
what about that wagon on gradiant

​[9:45]
there's gotta be a missing clue in there that would tie it togethjer

tokzic [9:45 PM]
it was weird and probably had two wolves on it

rzr [9:45 PM]
right

​[9:45]
Despite notcing it, I didn't actually read AA's post on the order of things

​[9:45]
but I asked people if they thought it was scummy

​[9:45]
I don't see a wolf AA going to those lenghts

​[9:46]
but if xiz/dlgn
xiz/AA
dlgn/roundbox
dlgn=/=AA

tokzic [9:47 PM]
wait can you explain those pairings

​[9:47]
i don't follow

rzr [9:48 PM]
xiz/dlgn = 2 possibilities
xiz/AA = 2 possibilities

​[9:48]
if dlgn is a wolf we agree roundbox's case isn't promising

​[9:49]
therefore AA, in this situation, can't be a wolf

​[9:49]
the team would be xiz/dlgn/roundbox

​[9:49]
however, regardless of roundbox's defense of dlgn, I do not suspect roundbox

tokzic [9:50 PM]
i do think that team is possible but i can see lots of other fits too

rzr [9:50 PM]
I should say I sent PM to go to the booth and seer AA

​[9:50]
I agree

​[9:51]
I do think these are humans: me, you, botchi, vendetta, dap

​[9:51]
the rest are all leans in one way or another

​[9:53]
I meant to asn you privately lol
at this point do you think I should find somewhere else to go?

tokzic [9:56 PM]
i'm talking to xiz now

​[9:56]
i have a plan for the booth if he agrees to go somewhere else

​[9:56]
don't go to the booth

rzr [9:56 PM]
heard

​[10:01]
I found a nice cozy spot - good luck amigo

​[10:02]
whep

​[10:02]
I was just about to go there too

​[10:03]
I really hope you're pinning xiz to the wall right now lol

rzr [10:16 PM]
so hey

​[10:16]
any news?

​[10:16]
I'm trying this plan on AA first

tokzic [10:16 PM]
that is exactly what was happening

​[10:16]
he just kind of logged off though

​[10:17]
right as i was getting to the juicy bit

rzr [10:17 PM]
ughhhh

​[10:17]
well AA is being extremely helpful

tokzic [10:17 PM]
how so

rzr [10:18 PM]
He is interested in exploring this idea

​[10:18]
you were right

​[10:18]
he asked why the 4th PR didn't claim


----- Yesterday December 7th, 2015 -----
tokzic [3:50 PM]
i'm starting to wonder about xelnya and storn

​[3:50]
whenever there's more than one player not doing anything

​[3:51]
that group almost always has a wolf hiding in it

tokzic [4:07 PM]
can you give me a chunk of your conversation with roundbox just before 11:29pm last night

[Charu]

Oh hey, speak of the devil

Hey Botchi, what's up? Mind explaining that log of yours with Tokzic?

[Charu]

Why do you suddenly seem like you know what you're doing?

[Tokzic]

tokzic [9:29 PM]
yo

​[9:30]
can you do me a favour


----- Today December 8th, 2015 -----
xelnya [2:55 AM]
What'cha need

​[2:55]
Sorry for slow response, was working and slack and my phone don't work too well

tokzic [7:49 PM]
i have no idea where you fit into things at all

​[7:49]
you've pressured people a couple times

​[7:49]
and that's it

​[7:50]
can you list a couple of your top town and top scum

​[7:50]
preferably in thread

​[7:50]
because i don't think i'm the only one who has no clue how to read you

tokzic [6:08 PM]
you're town right xiz

xiz [6:09 PM]
no

​[6:09]
O SHIT OOPS

tokzic [6:09 PM]
fuck

xiz [6:09 PM]
Congratz on being person #6 to msg me

​[6:09]
although i think i missed person #4 because i cant count

​[6:09]
now i need to check lol

tokzic [6:09 PM]
you liar you're totally town

xiz [6:09 PM]
so you might be 5

tokzic [6:09 PM]
i think you're #4 i've talked with privately

xiz [6:09 PM]
no dude really im a woof woof

tokzic [6:09 PM]
i haven't been abusing ootc too much yet

xiz [6:10 PM]
god i forgot how much i hate OOTT lol

​[6:10]
so much stuff to filter through

​[6:12]
yo

​[6:12]
so who should we nightkill

tokzic [6:12 PM]
yeah so far i've talked with charu dolgin and rzr

​[6:12]
you are the fourth

​[6:12]
i think we should nightkill the space space because i hate redundancy

xiz [6:14 PM]
who is space space

​[6:14]
blankey! isnt in this game

tokzic [6:15 PM]
so are you saying we should like

​[6:15]
figure out who we hate and then target the room they'd go into

​[6:15]
alright alright i dig it

​[6:16]
i hate yoshl let's get him

​[6:16]
where do you think he's hiding

xiz [6:16 PM]
hiding in the wifu neko loli orgy party prob

​[6:16]
he didnt invite me wtf

​[6:17]
yo

xiz [6:17 PM]
tl;dr

​[6:17]
i think you are town

​[6:17]
i think you should lead a bit

​[6:17]
because you sitting back makes me think you are no longer town lol

tokzic [6:17 PM]
dude i posted a killer plan and nobody said anything about it

xiz [6:17 PM]
was it in slack

​[6:17]
if so i skipped it

tokzic [6:17 PM]
ok v said "i'd like it better if two hobos claimed"

​[6:18]
and i said "yes we could do that too"

​[6:18]
and then that was the end of it

​[6:18]
no it was in thread

xiz [6:18 PM]
oh wtf i missed that

​[6:18]
gg me

​[6:18]
cool so you are claiming a hobo

​[6:18]
let me just nightkill-AW FUCK CANT NIGHTKILL

tokzic [6:19 PM]
don't worry if you want to kill me you can find me in the bathrooms

xiz [6:19 PM]
i think i said i was going to hide in the bathroom too

​[6:19]
like yesterday

​[6:19]
but idk ill prob go to the DD

tokzic [6:20 PM]
i really wish v wasn't clogging up the kidz zone

​[6:20]
hobos get more useful the later in the game they keep freezeproof

xiz [6:20 PM]
is there a downside to hobo's publically claiming

tokzic [6:21 PM]
no lmfao

​[6:21]
there is an upside to them holding off

​[6:21]
and that is that wolves have more trouble spoofing bad reads

xiz [6:21 PM]
o shit never considered that

tokzic [6:21 PM]
but they definitely should both be on the table by d2

xiz [6:22 PM]
depending on how many people die prob

​[6:22]
well actually

​[6:22]
eeeeeh

​[6:22]
if nobody dies, it might not be good

​[6:22]
well

​[6:22]
idk let me think about that

tokzic [6:22 PM]
yeah i can see where you're coming from with that

​[6:23]
as long as they get their claims out before there's a risk of them dying

​[6:23]
if one of them fucks up and gets killed before claiming that'd be awful

​[6:24]
with my plan we could guarantee freezeproof status all the way to d3

xiz [6:25 PM]
i like that better then whatever else has been thrown out

tokzic [6:29 PM]
i'm one of the hobos

​[6:29]
i'm going to take your advice

​[6:29]
and start leading more

​[6:30]
before the rules change i was kind of trying to bait a wolf into going for a claim

​[6:30]
but it didn't take and now that wolves can hide in kidz zone it's kind of moot anyway

xiz [6:33 PM]
like you cant die in the night so

​[6:34]
no harm in leading

​[6:34]
like if there is 3 hobos then i'll reconsider you but as of now im fine with it

​[6:34]
also i like your vote on gradiant

​[6:35]
oh shit you made the claim public

​[6:35]
i would have waiting till d2

​[6:35]
lol

​[6:35]
mostly because of all the shit that can happen at end of day

tokzic [6:36 PM]
i fucked up with dolgin

​[6:36]
something he said in the slack was ambiguous

​[6:36]
and sounded like both hobos had claimed to him

xiz [6:36 PM]
YO THATS WHAT I THOUGHT

​[6:36]
i thought rzr and someone else

tokzic [6:36 PM]
dbp thought so too

​[6:36]
i kind of wonder if he did that intentionally

xiz [6:36 PM]
thats also why i had my vote on rzr

tokzic [6:37 PM]
so i said to him privately WHAT BOTH HOBOS CAME OUT TO YOU?

​[6:37]
and he was like "no dpb thought that though"

​[6:37]
and i was like ".............."

xiz [6:37 PM]
so NOBODY came out to him

​[6:37]
right

tokzic [6:39 PM]
YOU BET!!

​[6:39]
dlgn [6:32 PM]
here's the part where I come clean as soon as possible: I said one had claimed to me in hopes that one finally would take me up on the offer, but none have :disappointed:

​[6:32]
you were on my shortlist for possible HG's, though

​[6:33]
i think I made that clear when I initially messaged you, lmao

xiz [6:40 PM]
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

​[6:40]
well that sucks lol

​[6:40]
i would have been excited if one did

tokzic [6:41 PM]
because you're my hobobro and we would have caught a wolf?

xiz [6:42 PM]
no im a wolf

​[6:42]
i just want to be the lone wolf

​[6:43]
im the usurper role

tokzic [6:43 PM]
oh okay

xiz [6:44 PM]
try to see if you can get someone to claim hobo to you

​[6:44]
pref who you think is a wolf but havent pinged em yet

tokzic [8:53 PM]
where

​[8:53]
did you get the idea

​[8:53]
that two people had claimed to dolgin

​[8:54]
i'm trying to figure out where this thought originated

xiz [8:57 PM]
when dbp said so?

​[8:58]
one sec let me pull up the quote

​[9:00]
i cant find it but i remember DBP said to dlgn something like "when rzr and someone else came out to you"

​[9:00]
god there are so many fucking messages

​[9:01]
So, in regards to the dlgn/dbp pastebin:

​[8:20]
I thought that you were a homeless guy, and you were trying to find your partner

​[8:20]
And then you got 2 responses, leading you to doubt one of them: rzr

tokzic [9:01 PM]
yeah slack is really hard to check back on

xiz [9:01 PM]
its a whole pastebin

​[9:01]
between dlg and dbp

​[9:01]
where i foudn that

tokzic [9:01 PM]
can you link me that pastebin

xiz [9:05 PM]
sure hold on

​[9:06]
http://pastebin.com/TUkkJDee
Pastebin
dlgn/dab - Pastebin.com (8KB)

tokzic [9:09 PM]
thanks

xiz [9:27 PM]
why storn

tokzic [9:28 PM]
no contributions

xiz [9:28 PM]
over grad?

tokzic [9:28 PM]
completely silent during the most eventful parts of the game

​[9:29]
i don't think over grad

​[9:29]
but absolutely over you

​[9:29]
grad is weirder than storn

​[9:29]
grad only shows up when he gets called out

xiz [9:30 PM]
that one pm he did in that pastebin said he is busy but thats about it

​[9:30]
with all the people viewing the thread as guests i doubt it

​[9:30]
as in, hes in there

​[9:30]
like

​[9:31]
i think grad over storn atm mostly because storn doesnt connect with anyone

​[9:31]
while gradient does?

xiz [9:38 PM]
yo you here

​[9:38]
@tokzic:

tokzic [9:38 PM]
sorry

​[9:38]
bunch of things going on

xiz [9:38 PM]
im going to need to force to claim

​[9:39]
if ya dont step in

​[9:39]
zzzzzzz

​[9:39]
this is not how i wanted d1 to go lol

tokzic [9:39 PM]
i liked the gradiant/storn/dlgn wagons

​[9:39]
i'm confused what the fuck is going on

xiz [9:40 PM]
you gotta step in

​[9:40]
otherwise im claiming in 10

tokzic [9:40 PM]
and why so many players are withholding votes

xiz [9:40 PM]
like its literally up to you at this point

​[9:40]
i can only withhold so much

tokzic [9:40 PM]
are you telling me you're the other hobo

xiz [9:40 PM]
yes -.-'

tokzic [9:40 PM]
fucking

xiz [9:41 PM]
thats why im kinda freakin out over here

​[9:41]
YO

​[9:42]
who you pm'n

tokzic [9:42 PM]
i'm postin' not pmin'

​[9:42]
yo

​[9:42]
you are not

xiz [9:42 PM]
kk

​[9:42]
im not what

tokzic [9:42 PM]
the only other claim

xiz [9:42 PM]
either you are fake or they are

tokzic [9:42 PM]
botchi claimed hobo too

xiz [9:42 PM]
da fuk

​[9:43]
okay its in my hands now


----- December 6th -----
tokzic [9:55 PM]
are you changing rooms

​[9:55]
there is extremely little time left to figure this out

xiz [9:55 PM]
changed

tokzic [9:56 PM]
okay phew thank you

xiz [9:57 PM]
im so fuckin tilted so if you are legit then gl

​[9:57]
cuz im prob gonna die

tokzic [9:58 PM]
??????

xiz [9:58 PM]
i do hope you are fake because if so you played me really well

tokzic [9:58 PM]
if your claim is real

​[9:58]
it is impossible for you to die tonight

xiz [9:58 PM]
im hiding in DD

tokzic [9:58 PM]
where did you get that idea

xiz [9:58 PM]
im not gonna die from the night rofl

​[9:58]
from getting voted

tokzic [9:58 PM]
oh okay i see what you mean

xiz [9:59 PM]
im most likely not going to talk to anyone because everything thinks im just fuckin it up for town

​[9:59]
if ya need me pm me

tokzic [9:59 PM]
i'm not going to lie

​[9:59]
that's the way it looks

xiz [9:59 PM]
i was going to seer V

tokzic [10:00 PM]
botchi's been pming people really extensively

​[10:00]
if he's red he's tryharding

​[10:00]
why v

xiz [10:00 PM]
better have him on town side and know early

​[10:00]
and ive never played with botchi i thought he was new

​[10:00]
hence why i thought you were scum

​[10:01]
my brain says you are scum but, meh

tokzic [10:01 PM]
the thing about seering v

​[10:01]
i thought about that possibility

​[10:02]
i had this weird inkling that maybe he's movie stalker and just saying he's using kidz zone to scare everyone else out of using it

​[10:02]
but seering him and actually seeing him in kidz zone

​[10:02]
wouldn't prove much either way

​[10:02]
it could be possible he's red, but not the stalker and really is camping kidz zone

​[10:03]
but it's also possible he's green and camping kidz zone

xiz [10:03 PM]
its a tossup

​[10:03]
thats why

​[10:03]
seering him isnt a bad call

​[10:03]
alright im out, ill check this later


----- Yesterday December 7th, 2015 -----
xiz [5:39 PM]
yo, well done this game man. you had me fooled lol. Totally thought you were real.

tokzic [9:28 PM]
???????

​[9:29]
is this like

​[9:29]
an attempt at getting me to switch to botchi

that's everybody i've talked to

sorry for any places i probably fucked up the formatting, i did this in a rush

[Tokzic]

Originally Posted by YoshL

protip: put your logs in the [code] tags and things become so much easier to read

...........

lmfao

[botchi246]

AA

botchi246 [6:43 PM]
this guy dlgn is so insistent on him being a townie

aragakiayase [6:44 PM]
yeah I don't like it

​[6:44]
in case it wasn't obvious :stuck_out_tongue:

botchi246 [6:44 PM]
yeah haha

​[6:44]
how would you benefit from outting yourself as townie

aragakiayase [6:45 PM]
i mean if there were a way to confirm yourself as one it removes from the lynch pool

​[6:45]
but saying "I'm town you should trust me" is sketchy

​[6:45]
there's a difference between saying you're town and saying you're town, therefore we should follow you

​[6:45]
because no one else knows you're town

​[6:45]
except wolves lol

botchi246 [6:45 PM]
haha yah

​[6:45]
its a little too early to be outing anything imo

aragakiayase [6:46 PM]
like you can claim anything

​[6:46]
but can you get people to believe you>

botchi246 [6:46 PM]
thats the catch

botchi246 [6:54 PM]
we only get one vote right?

​[6:54]
one vote a round

aragakiayase [6:55 PM]
you can change it wheneveryou want

botchi246 [6:55 PM]
yah but still only one final vote

aragakiayase [6:55 PM]
yeah

​[6:55]
having multiple votes is sometimes a power in certain games

botchi246 [6:55 PM]
i can see how that would be very powerful

​[6:57]
can you explain the movie stalker role o me

aragakiayase [6:58 PM]
uh

​[6:58]
so you can go see a movie

​[6:58]
the movie only shows if a non-mafia goes

​[6:58]
multiple people can go at the same time but the movie will only show once

​[6:58]
once it shows, the movie stalker knows who is attending

​[6:58]
and can choose to kill one of those people

botchi246 [6:59 PM]
but then he turns into normal wolf after that

aragakiayase [6:59 PM]
ya

aragakiayase [7:07 PM]
this dlgn guy

botchi246 [7:07 PM]
haha

​[7:07]
i was just about to says omething

aragakiayase [7:07 PM]
his thought process is garbage

botchi246 [7:07 PM]
he is all over the place

aragakiayase [7:07 PM]
can't tell if it's coming from horribly close minded town or wolf with agenda

botchi246 [7:12 PM]
hahayah

​[7:12]
also

​[7:12]
wanna mp?

aragakiayase [8:33 PM]
crap totally missed this sorry

​[8:33]
gonna go out toe at soon s

botchi246 [8:35 PM]
its all good

​[8:35]
im done anyways

​[8:36]
almost sdged bowser the shredder

​[8:36]
dont know why its so hard

​[8:36]
for me at least

aragakiayase [8:38 PM]
those minijacks

​[8:38]
it's a tough 63

botchi246 [8:55 PM]
Its the anchors that get me

aragakiayase [8:55 PM]
oh those don't bother me lol

botchi246 [8:56 PM]
The jacks dont bother me lol


----- December 4th -----
botchi246 [3:00 PM]
What do you think of dolphins plan

aragakiayase [3:46 PM]
idk

​[3:46]
I really don't like it when people say "lynch me"

aragakiayase [5:34 PM]
fyi if you're town you probably shouldn't randomly distract from an ongoing conversation

​[5:34]
people will scumread for anything

botchi246 [5:35 PM]
i figured

​[5:35]
but i think i can get away with it

​[5:35]
cuz i am le newb

aragakiayase [5:36 PM]
if you keep trying to pull the noob card though people will push you harder

​[5:36]
if you want to use it let it use itself lol

botchi246 [5:36 PM]
i see the usefuleness in that


----- December 5th -----
botchi246 [4:42 PM]
I think storn wants us to mislynch him

aragakiayase [4:43 PM]
lol i think he really doesn't give a shit about anything

​[4:43]
which is towny but at the same time...

botchi246 [4:49 PM]
If one was a wolf how would one approach twg

aragakiayase [4:49 PM]
try to seem town I assume

​[4:49]
and mislynch as many people as possible

botchi246 [7:15 PM]
So what do you think about tokzics claim

​[7:15]
Does it change your game

aragakiayase [7:16 PM]
well it gives me an explanation for his odd play

​[7:16]
and means I'm not going to teh security booth

​[7:16]
I was contemplating asking for it but now I won't

botchi246 [7:25 PM]
Aa

​[7:25]
Dlgn is wolfy eh?

aragakiayase [7:25 PM]
idk he seems more town than before

​[7:25]
definitely not mys trong townread though

botchi246 [7:26 PM]
But that while shtick with him asking the hobos to come out to him privately

aragakiayase [7:26 PM]
what I don't like is he lied

botchi246 [7:26 PM]
Idkkkk

​[7:26]
And he has been backtracking and giving up and then being strong

​[7:26]
So much flux

aragakiayase [7:26 PM]
yeah I'm not sure

​[7:26]
but I want to pursue gradiant more first

botchi246 [7:32 PM]
Why did xel vote me lol

aragakiayase [7:32 PM]
uhhhhh

​[7:32]
xel does a lot of weird things

​[7:32]
and he said he's not sold on voting you for good

​[7:33]
I wouldn't worry about it too much

aragakiayase [9:48 PM]
are you a wolf

botchi246 [9:57 PM]
Nah

​[10:01]
I didnt know what to vote, so i just went with first gut instinct vote

aragakiayase [10:08 PM]
Everyone sucks

botchi246 [10:09 PM]
Haha but he was gonn get lynched anyways from the looks of it

​[10:09]
Whyd you switch

aragakiayase [10:09 PM]
Because dbp looked terrible

​[10:09]
When he said "fine"

​[10:09]
Can't quote on phone

​[10:09]
But it seemed way out of place to suddenly agree

botchi246 [10:10 PM]
Small red flag for me. But dbp is def top wolf for me now

aragakiayase [10:10 PM]
To put it simply

​[10:10]
The switch was opportunistic

​[10:10]
Like

​[10:11]
My main mislynch isn't working

​[10:11]
So I'll go with this one instead

​[10:11]
Is how I read it


----- December 6th -----
aragakiayase [10:25 AM]
do you think dlgn is town

botchi246 [12:12 PM]
Its hard to tell

​[12:13]
I am leaning town on him though

aragakiayase [12:14 PM]
Who do you think is wolf

botchi246 [12:15 PM]
Xiz

​[12:15]
Pretty solid on that

aragakiayase [12:17 PM]
Who else

​[12:17]
Do you think I'm scum for defending xiz

botchi246 [12:18 PM]
I dont know why you would defend xiz in current circumstances

​[12:18]
Unless you were antitown

aragakiayase [12:22 PM]
what if I told you I defend my strong townreads really hard

botchi246 [12:23 PM]
Why are you thinking xiz is town?!

​[12:23]
Do you think im town?

aragakiayase [12:23 PM]
claims aside, I've mindmelded with him on so many points

​[12:24]
his claim and behavior lately has been disgusting but it ​*could*​ be an angry PR who's mad that a fakeclaim is being bought over their real claim

​[12:24]
I'm curious why everyone is passing over toxzic

botchi246 [12:24 PM]
Or maybe you are just agreeing with each other

aragakiayase [12:24 PM]
maybe? but he's said a lot of things right before i've said them

​[12:24]
and vice versa

botchi246 [12:25 PM]
Well toxzic is hobo i thought

aragakiayase [12:25 PM]
well yeah that's what I think too but we have to consider that he could be fake

botchi246 [12:25 PM]
I guess he could be lying...

aragakiayase [12:25 PM]
well if we lynch xiz and he flips scum

​[12:25]
it's been nice knowing you lol

botchi246 [12:25 PM]
Haha indeed

​[12:25]
But if hes hobo fml

aragakiayase [12:26 PM]
idk I've felt decently sure about my reads this game

​[12:26]
although gradiant was lol

botchi246 [12:26 PM]
Ill have to talk more with them privately

aragakiayase [12:26 PM]
combined with his inactivity and lack of scumhunting/effort the slip pushed my read on him too far

​[12:26]
even though like people said it was a stretch

botchi246 [12:27 PM]
Well you go with your gut

aragakiayase [12:28 PM]
I will even if it gets me mislynched

botchi246 [12:29 PM]
Looks like our avvys could be looking at each other

​[12:29]
Lesbos

​[12:29]
Anyways, i want to look into storn more

aragakiayase [12:29 PM]
lol

botchi246 [12:29 PM]
Hes so silent

aragakiayase [12:29 PM]
storn is suspect

​[12:29]
I read his not caring attitude as towny initially

​[12:30]
but he could just be a wolf who is doing random shit

​[12:30]
I'm also still very suspicious of dbp

​[12:30]
I still feel like he's not actually scumhunting that much

​[12:30]
he had his townread dlgn but the only scum he went for was xiz because of the claims

botchi246 [12:30 PM]
dbp has a flag.for me as well

aragakiayase [12:30 PM]
and picking a scum from claims isn't exactly scumhunting

​[12:31]
now he has my be association with his scumread from the claims but that's still not scumhunting

​[12:31]
as round said, he's not living up to his detective role

​[12:31]
actually if xiz were to flip town I would suspect dbp/dlgn

​[12:31]
they've been aligned on a lot of things

botchi246 [12:32 PM]
I think dlgn is a dumb town

​[12:32]
I think dlgn is a dumb town

aragakiayase [12:33 PM]
So do you think dbp could have pocketed him

botchi246 [12:33 PM]
Its possible

​[12:35]
Why did v say there is no reason to kill xiz

aragakiayase [12:37 PM]
The reasoning behind that is in late game when we still have the 3 claims we have a guaranteed wolf in them

​[12:37]
And it's not like the hobos swing the balance of power that much in this game

botchi246 [12:39 PM]
I dont think tokzic is lying about being hobo

​[12:39]
I should post our convo

aragakiayase [12:40 PM]
Between you and me oryou and toxziC?

botchi246 [12:40 PM]
Idk how to do it on phone though

​[12:40]
Me and tokzic

aragakiayase [12:40 PM]
You can't really lol

botchi246 [12:42 PM]
Lamee

aragakiayase [12:42 PM]
I want dbp dead over roundbox

botchi246 [12:43 PM]
Agreed


----- Today December 8th, 2015 -----
aragakiayase [10:27 PM]
do you stick to your hobo claim

botchi246 [10:27 PM]
Yes i am hobo

aragakiayase [10:27 PM]
ok

botchi246 [10:27 PM]
Im reading through theead. Iw

​[10:27]
Now

aragakiayase [10:27 PM]
then I think unless you were instructed to fakeclaim you're real

​[10:28]
tokzic is so much more likely to be fakeclaiming

​[10:28]
did you use the bathroom yesterday

botchi246 [10:29 PM]
Yes i did

V

botchi246 [8:25 PM]
Why so sure

​[8:25]
Apart from slackchat

bendetta [8:26 PM]
do you have another candidate who has a stronger motivating reason than pushing a plan that isn't actually helpful to humans, yelling at anyone who disagrees with him, lying to trick our PRs into coming out to him, and misrepresenting his vote as soon as he is voted?

​[8:26]
his vote is oppourtunistic

​[8:27]
he is only willing to anwser questions and be reasonable when it appears public perception of him shifts, otherwise he will denounce and insult the person inquiring upon him, show frame of mind

​[8:27]
shows*

botchi246 [8:28 PM]
Even if he IS town or wolf.for that matter, his approach is dangerous to town

bendetta [8:28 PM]
that is a fallacy that is pleasant to think about to rationalize potential mistakes, but should be shut out entirely as tempting as it is, you musty only care about whether or not he is a wolf

botchi246 [8:30 PM]
Im just not so confident on wolf status. He went so hard townie in the beginning

​[8:30]
But then backtrackex

​[8:30]
Like a billionx

bendetta [8:30 PM]
that is fine, vote with your confidence

botchi246 [8:30 PM]
And then went hard again

​[8:30]
And then backtracked

bendetta [8:30 PM]
to my i read that as changing behvaior based on public perception of him

​[8:30]
he is extremely worried about how he is perceived

​[8:31]
and his read on gradient is weak, and came only after forcing him to change the subject from his plan

​[8:31]
and given the timing and how he behaved when pressured again, seems oppourtunistic and it seems like he isnt scumhunting

​[8:31]
a wolf worried about how people are perceiving him, and new to the role, will act like a bee in a jar sometimes

botchi246 [8:33 PM]
But then a town could act the same way if they were in danger

​[8:33]
Im not defending him, just entertaining angles

bendetta [8:35 PM]
yes they could. it's a question of whether this fits a pattern of personal insecurity or a pattern of someone not handling their role. if he is town what does he really have to lose by being wrong, not having his plan followed, etc. why does a town need to lie? if he is a wolf and he is in the position doesnt it seem more actually beneficial to what you are doing?

​[8:35]
its a question of whether or not his unstable behavior is his personality, or it's motivated by a hidden agenda

​[8:35]
some things dont seem like personality

​[8:35]
to me

botchi246 [8:36 PM]
Ok. I see your point

​[8:39]
Well i hope you are right and you arent reading too much into it

bendetta [8:42 PM]
i hope i'm right too

botchi246 [8:44 PM]
I need to change my vote

​[8:45]
Cuz vote on storn aint helping anyone, plus i cant grill him.if he never shows up


----- December 6th -----
botchi246 [12:35 PM]
Why is there no reason to kill xiz

bendetta [6:06 PM]
because there is a chance you are wrong and killing a hobo, you can't equate 50% certainty with a 50% chance to kill another hobo just because someone rubs you the wrong way when it's just as easy for wolves to manipulate the claimed hobo that will die. if xiz is on the block tomorrow its very easy for him, having two partners, to form a coalition and get another hobo killed, but once an actual hobo dies and gets cardflipped later, it will probably be much clearerer who is a wolf out of that remainder

​[6:06]
he is frustrating as hell

​[6:07]
right now

​[6:07]
but i think its more powerful for the wolves to try focusing on lynching "the wolf among the hobos" than it is for us, which i think, if xiz is a wolf, is why he went so bold and claimed he was taking the security booth

​[6:07]
without talking to tokzic or you about it

botchi246 [6:20 PM]
Xiz threw a wrench into tokzics and my plan

bendetta [6:22 PM]
well from a trust standpoint, if he is a hobo, it makes sense

​[6:22]
but from an execution standpoint its pretty bad

​[6:23]
the person in that booth might not be the other hobo

​[6:23]
it might be a human

​[6:23]
and therefore xiz might be killing his team

​[6:23]
igf he is human

​[6:23]
which is a pretty fucked up thing to do without thinking about

​[6:24]
and he did it without at least talking to the other two of you

botchi246 [7:34 PM]
Sorry for responding late. At dinner

​[7:34]
Your last sentence is so wolfy to me

​[7:34]
In regards to xiz

dbp

dabackpack [4:35 PM]
whatcha thinkin about

botchi246 [4:35 PM]
Sup mang

​[4:35]
Im actually thinking about what poptarts to eat cuz just woke up

​[4:36]
I mean storn set off alarms to me cuz of the way he responds

​[4:37]
Its like he doesnt want to try too hard, but puts in his two cents without investing too much

botchi246 [4:44 PM]
What is storns deal

​[4:44]
His not giving a shit could be read a couple ways

botchi246 [5:29 PM]
Explain to me how you play

​[5:30]
Not the game, but you specifically


----- Today December 8th, 2015 -----
dabackpack [10:12 PM]
If you are not actually a hobo, come out NOW.

dabackpack [10:21 PM]
botchi, give me ALL your logs with everybody, top to bottom

botchi246 [10:25 PM]
Hey sup

dabackpack [10:27 PM]
what I said

​[10:27]
do it

​[10:27]
xiz flipped blue

​[10:27]
you are highly suspect

botchi246 [10:29 PM]
Oh fuck just read xiz flipped hobo

dabackpack [10:30 PM]
yes

​[10:30]
do what I said

​[10:31]
if you are not a hobo

​[10:31]
come clean

​[10:31]
regardless, post full logs

​[10:31]
like tokzic is doing

botchi246 [10:31 PM]
How do i do that

dabackpack [10:32 PM]
For every person on the direct messages on the left panel, copy every text log there

​[10:32]
and then for each person, make a spoiler on the forum post, and paste the text into that spoiler

botchi246 [10:33 PM]
how do i do spiler

dabackpack [10:33 PM]

text

botchi246 [10:33 PM]
okok

​[10:33]
working on it now

dlgn

dlgn [3:32 AM]
would be fun i think

​[3:32]
well, yeah, I know :stuck_out_tongue:

​[3:32]
but SHHHH!

botchi246 [3:32 AM]
Haha retard

dlgn [3:33 AM]
lol

botchi246 [3:34 AM]
What do you.like.to do

dlgn [3:34 AM]
bike, tennis, try and stay active

​[3:34]
mafia

​[3:35]
music, a lot

​[3:35]
cook, read

​[3:35]
drink, play games

​[3:35]
pretty typical stuff haha

botchi246 [3:35 AM]
What kinda games

​[3:35]
Online?

dlgn [3:35 AM]
yeah some

botchi246 [3:35 AM]
Xboz?

dlgn [3:35 AM]
mostly league these days

​[3:36]
some fallout4

botchi246 [3:36 AM]
League

​[3:36]
Ugghhh

​[3:36]
No respect for that

dlgn [3:36 AM]
haha u a dota fan or no mobas at all

botchi246 [3:36 AM]
Dota

dlgn [3:36 AM]
yeah i grew up playing dota1

​[3:36]
i'm so bad at dota2 tho

botchi246 [3:36 AM]
Im more xbox now

dlgn [3:37 AM]
i had a 360 but not an xb1

botchi246 [3:37 AM]
And online

​[3:37]
Like ffr and puzzles and dragons

dlgn [3:37 AM]
like shooters or mmos or other?

​[3:37]
omg

​[3:37]
i just used up all my stamina on PAD LOL

​[3:37]
and was going to go to bed hahaha

​[3:38]
some people I play mafia with got me started on it a couple months ago, so I am a lot more new than most people

​[3:38]
what rank are you?

botchi246 [3:39 AM]
I just startes tonight

​[3:39]
So 5

dlgn [3:39 AM]
lol!

​[3:39]
u started just barely too late :disappointed:

botchi246 [3:40 AM]
I have aome monsters but i have no idea how to put super rarea into lineup

dlgn [3:40 AM]
you could use your free roll on the 'players choice god fest'

​[3:40]
it probably costs too much to put on your team right now

botchi246 [3:40 AM]
Wth

dlgn [3:40 AM]
which super rare did you get?

botchi246 [3:40 AM]
Lame

​[3:40]
One sec

dlgn [3:40 AM]
cuz you should restart until you get something good

botchi246 [3:41 AM]
Red sky fruit strawberry dragon

dlgn [3:41 AM]
restart LOL

botchi246 [3:42 AM]
Ancient blue mask

dlgn [3:42 AM]
that's useful but much later on

​[3:42]
it's to evolve a monster to something better

​[3:42]
strawberry fruit dragon is really mehhhh

botchi246 [3:42 AM]
HHow do i start over

dlgn [3:42 AM]
i dunno, check options?

botchi246 [3:43 AM]
Whats wrong with strawberry dragon

dlgn [3:43 AM]
it's just not very strong

​[3:43]
very situational at best

botchi246 [3:43 AM]
I already upgraded him

​[3:43]
Fml

dlgn [3:43 AM]
:disappointed:

​[3:43]
it'll be worth it to get something better

​[3:43]
and almost anything is better

botchi246 [3:43 AM]
But i cant even use him

​[3:43]
Idky

dlgn [3:44 AM]
yeah that's odd i don't think it has a high cost

​[3:44]
but maybe the evolved version does

botchi246 [3:44 AM]
Its like 5

​[3:44]
Idk

dlgn [3:44 AM]
hmm dunn

​[3:44]
o

botchi246 [3:44 AM]
Stupid

​[3:44]
I was pissed. Like breaking objects pissed

dlgn [3:44 AM]
lol

​[3:45]
right now the egg machine has increased odds for green monsters and those are mostly really good / useful

​[3:45]
it's easiest to make a green team imo

​[3:45]
or red

botchi246 [3:45 AM]
I was like why would they give this to me if i camt use it

dlgn [3:45 AM]
yeah that's weird

botchi246 [3:45 AM]
I used green monster for start

​[3:46]
Brachy i think

​[3:46]
Something like that

dlgn [3:46 AM]
oh i mean the rares you get from the egg machine

​[3:46]
yeah

botchi246 [3:46 AM]
Oh ok

dlgn [3:46 AM]
not too many things u can farm are too useful

​[3:46]
unfortunately

botchi246 [3:46 AM]
I keep getting carbuncles

dlgn [3:46 AM]
but you get enough stones from clearing content and from events and stuff to use the machine

​[3:46]
yeah

botchi246 [3:47 AM]
Dumb things i use for infusions

dlgn [3:47 AM]
yep pretty much

botchi246 [3:47 AM]
Ill tell you my team

dlgn [3:47 AM]
so when u evolve the strawberry dragon its cost goes from 20 to 35

​[3:48]
which may be too much

botchi246 [3:48 AM]
I got brachy red and yello carbuncle

​[3:48]
Black fighter

​[3:48]
Blue bubblie

dlgn [3:49 AM]
ya early on you just want to put w/e you can together

​[3:49]
once you get a good leader then you try to use subs that compliment their leader skill

​[3:49]
and strawberry dragon isn't really a good leader, it's purely defensive

​[3:50]
and the easiest way to clear content is to just wipe it with damage, most of the time

​[3:50]
add me 336 871 337

​[3:50]
and you can use my leader

botchi246 [3:51 AM]
Yah i just whoop.on leader with weakness

​[3:53]
I added

dlgn [3:54 AM]
accepted

​[3:54]
you'll wreck everything now XD

​[3:54]
but really if you can find a way to reset it'll be worth it

​[3:54]
you'll catch back up super fast

​[3:54]
just add me with whatever account you use

​[3:56]
im gonna go to bed for now tho

​[3:56]
gn man

botchi246 [3:57 AM]
Nini

botchi246 [8:07 PM]
where we hiding

dlgn [8:07 PM]
haha

​[8:07]
not sure yet

​[8:07]
not sure I will even live to hide anywhere

​[8:08]
with the way people want to lynch me lmao

botchi246 [8:08 PM]
well dont you wannab e lynched

​[8:08]
but only if people follow your plan

dlgn [8:08 PM]
not if people like bendetta want to lynch me and then not do what I suggest, to boot

​[8:08]
correct

botchi246 [10:01 PM]
do we have to vote tongiht

dlgn [10:02 PM]
umm probably sometime soon

​[10:02]
yeah

dlgn [10:40 PM]
i think xiz is a good vote


----- December 5th -----
botchi246 [12:30 AM]
i voted

​[12:31]
for storn

dlgn [12:53 AM]
lol

botchi246 [12:55 AM]
doesnt something odd striek you about him

dlgn [12:57 AM]
not really

botchi246 [1:04 AM]
oh well

dlgn [1:37 AM]
https://youtu.be/cJyLB9-y8bA?t=9303
YouTube
IGN
The Game Awards 2015


botchi246 [5:33 PM]
Hey

dlgn [5:56 PM]
hi

botchi246 [6:43 PM]
Hey

​[6:43]
How do I get money for pad

dlgn [6:43 PM]
like gold?

botchi246 [6:43 PM]
Yah

dlgn [6:43 PM]
or money to buy the magic stones in the app

​[6:43]
oh

​[6:44]
you get a lot in the weekend dungeon under special dungeons

​[6:44]
that's the easiest way to make a lot, fast

​[6:44]
by like rank 50 you'll have over a million and it's hard to spend all that you get

​[6:44]
i'm at like 150 mil

botchi246 [6:45 PM]
I dont have like any. Keep fusing and using it all

​[6:46]
I have some new good cards that of course i cant use

dlgn [6:46 PM]
haha nice

​[6:46]
still think you'd be better off restarting

​[6:46]
but I know that is annoying

botchi246 [6:47 PM]
Im not going to restart.

dlgn [6:47 PM]
that's fine

botchi246 [6:47 PM]
I havent failed any dungeons yet

dlgn [6:47 PM]
eventually it won't matter

botchi246 [6:47 PM]
And i used one of your monsters

dlgn [6:47 PM]
but you'll want a good leader soon

​[6:47]
ah awesome

​[6:48]
they'll be able to carry you for a while

botchi246 [6:48 PM]
And it fricken demolished everything

dlgn [6:48 PM]
lmao yep

botchi246 [6:48 PM]
I had to use aome magic stones to inc storage

dlgn [6:48 PM]
yeah that's a good use of them

​[6:48]
don't use them to refill stamina or continue

​[6:48]
especially on continues

botchi246 [6:48 PM]
So many garbage monsters that i need to fuse but no gold

dlgn [6:49 PM]
they're much better used for box space and for rare egg machine pulls

botchi246 [6:49 PM]
And is tokzic really a hobo

dlgn [6:49 PM]
i think so, yea

botchi246 [6:51 PM]
So how does that benefit town

dlgn [6:54 PM]
idk, i stopped caring a lot about the HG's, lol

botchi246 [7:11 PM]
Wanna use bathroom?

dlgn [7:33 PM]
nah

botchi246 [7:34 PM]
Also who to booth

dlgn [7:34 PM]
i dunno

dlgn [9:45 PM]
you sly fox you

​[9:45]
you sly sly fox

​[9:47]
BOTCHI

​[9:47]
WHERE ARE YOU

dlgn [10:02 PM]
i hope you are the real hobo


----- Yesterday December 7th, 2015 -----
botchi246 [3:44 AM]
I just wonder how to evolve thwm faster

dlgn [3:44 AM]
u don't need to tho

​[3:45]
eventually you will only use things you get from the egg machine anyway

botchi246 [3:48 AM]
Everyone is like reading so much into this game

​[3:48]
In all honesty i feel lost :'(

dlgn [3:48 AM]
i think it's a lot easier than people make it seem

​[3:49]
it's k

​[3:49]
i hope you realize I am town

​[3:49]
just sheep my reads

​[3:49]
I will try to push the right lynches

botchi246 [3:49 AM]
At least no one is going mad botchi lynch, cuz i.wouldnt know how to.defend myself

dlgn [3:50 AM]
i would defend you lol

​[3:50]
i said the first day of this game that if anybody tried to put their hands on you i'd slap them lol

botchi246 [3:50 AM]
Maybe cuz im not a threat

dlgn [3:50 AM]
someone did vote for you yesterday

botchi246 [3:50 AM]
Yah well rzr doesnt count

dlgn [3:50 AM]
i commented on it

​[3:50]
oh it was rzr?

​[3:50]
u sure?

botchi246 [3:51 AM]
He just trying to get me to do something

​[3:51]
Pretty sure

​[3:51]
Not positive

​[3:52]
I go beddybye

​[3:52]
4am rip

dlgn [3:53 AM]
gn

roundbox

botchi246 [6:23 PM]
in your history of twg, who is the most transulecent

roundbox [6:23 PM]
I would ahve to think about that

​[6:23]
let me double check the player list

​[6:23]
one player that is pretty easily read is DaBackpack

botchi246 [6:23 PM]
hmm no comments from him yet

roundbox [6:23 PM]
storn isn't too much of a problem to read either

​[6:23]
at least from my standpoint

botchi246 [6:45 PM]
how would you benefit from outting yourself as townie

roundbox [6:45 PM]
most everyone will claim townie but it's best not to atm

​[6:45]
you want wolves to feel like you could be homeless even if you're a human

botchi246 [6:46 PM]
why is that

roundbox [6:46 PM]
homeless guys have an extra long life this game

​[6:47]
they can die twice during the night

​[6:47]
the wolves want to get rid of these through lynch since trying to kill them two nights in a row would be hard

botchi246 [6:48 PM]
i see

​[6:48]
i read in the thread though that charu wants a homeless guy to out himself

​[6:48]
how is this beneficial to homeless guy

roundbox [6:48 PM]
coordinating wolf hunting efforts

​[6:49]
and coordinating room hiding efforts

​[6:49]
wolves have to make up a room they're hiding in

​[6:49]
they can easily come up with a discrepancy if someone lives and they're not supposed to

​[6:50]
example: two people tell the homeless guy (or coordinator) that they're hiding in the kidz room

​[6:50]
one of them dies but the other lives

​[6:50]
this other person can be only one of two things: a wolf or a homeless guy

botchi246 [6:50 PM]
but there would be no way to tell who was hiding in there

roundbox [6:50 PM]
yes and no

​[6:50]
yes because of word of mouth

​[6:50]
and no in the event someone is using the security room that night

botchi246 [6:51 PM]
so you saying that the townies will band together and choose a room

roundbox [6:51 PM]
choose A room or multiple rooms

​[6:51]
it's not a guaranteed thing

botchi246 [6:51 PM]
ahh i see

roundbox [6:51 PM]
but it is something I see happening at some point

​[6:51]
in some degree

​[6:51]
stacking in a room is bad

​[6:52]
n1 if you hide in a normal room you have a 20% chance of dying

​[6:52]
FYI bathrooms are a bad place to hide: save them for later

botchi246 [6:53 PM]
yah 3 lives in there

roundbox [6:53 PM]
and these uses are cumulative

​[6:53]
and only get better as time goes on

​[6:54]
if someone uses them now it'll be awful

botchi246 [6:54 PM]
haha

​[6:54]
very dangerous

​[6:54]
for later rounds


----- December 4th -----
botchi246 [1:13 AM]
What do you think of dolphin


----- December 5th -----
botchi246 [1:01 AM]
does storn set off any alarms for you

roundbox [1:41 AM]
some, yes

botchi246 [8:51 PM]
I dont get what yall were talking about

​[8:51]
Can you explain why it was bad

roundbox [8:52 PM]
dabackpack was asking a question that was potentialloy rule breaking

botchi246 [8:52 PM]
The pm question?

roundbox [8:52 PM]
yes

​[8:52]
will explain in post game as to why

botchi246 [8:52 PM]
But post game so far away

rzr

botchi246 [12:22 AM]
Other ones i cant guess

​[12:22]
Backpack wolf

rzr [12:23 AM]
you still think so lol?

botchi246 [12:23 AM]
Yah

​[12:23]
I think he is so neutral

​[12:23]
Going toward dlgn kinda string

​[12:23]
Then changed his vote

rzr [12:24 AM]
dbp worries me in general he is very good player

​[12:24]
watch how he reacts here

botchi246 [12:24 AM]
Flippyfloppy

rzr [12:24 AM]
if he doesn't try that hard he must be wolf, he always tried hard

botchi246 [12:25 AM]
Yah i saw in other twg

rzr [12:26 AM]
mhmm

botchi246 [12:26 AM]
Not completely dumb hrre

rzr [12:27 AM]
Haha I know that, that's why I won't let you play the noob card :stuck_out_tongue:

botchi246 [12:28 AM]
Round is on fence for me

​[12:28]
And toxciz cuz no idea

rzr [12:29 AM]
Round and tokzic are actually the players I kow the best.
Tokzic I get a town feel from so far, or at least nothing harmful if that makes more snese.
Roundbox, he's still not helping much.

​[12:29]
And he usually does

botchi246 [12:30 AM]
Hmm wolfy?

rzr [12:33 AM]
For round, yeah, that's what everyone is talking about yeah.

​[12:34]
but my problem with that is round is one hell of a player, and mislynching him this early could really screw the game

botchi246 [12:35 AM]
I agree from your explanation

​[12:35]
I feel like i could be in the crosshairs

rzr [12:38 AM]
I don't think so, you haven't done much yet (no offense)

botchi246 [12:40 AM]
I know. Keeping it interesting

rzr [12:41 AM]
well i'll say this honestly

​[12:42]
if you stay "aloof" for too long, I will suspect you
so far you're doing a great job at trying, putting interest in, not too much content ITT but you and i have talked a lot about wuality stuff
but if you play that noob card all game I'm gonna be like "hmm why isn't botchi trying to actually find wolves"

botchi246 [12:43 AM]
Haha

​[12:43]
I hear ya. I just think day 1 is alittle early to.be getting excited. But im enjoying thw back.and forth between you and dolphin

rzr [12:44 AM]
and earlier with him and charu. it helps to look at others and say "oh okay they probably aren't on a team together" lol

botchi246 [1:00 AM]
Are you pr?

rzr [1:01 AM]
Nope

​[1:01]
I wish

botchi246 [1:01 AM]
Dlgn is claiming hxc townie

rzr [1:01 AM]
is that homelessness?

botchi246 [1:02 AM]
I dont have any reason to believe otherwise, other than premeditated hxc townie

rzr [1:02 AM]
you think he would have claimed it either way?

botchi246 [1:03 AM]
I think so

​[1:03]
Smart as a wolf cuz he is defending it honorably despite discussions

​[1:03]
Tough nut to crack

​[1:04]
He says ge trusts me completely

​[1:04]
He

rzr [1:08 AM]
Remember how they said earlier how he had a premiditated persona? What happened to that?

botchi246 [1:08 AM]
I know.right

​[1:09]
He got all defensive and then changed his tune

rzr [1:10 AM]
That's what I did when I responded to his argument. He literally said "rzr is too dumb to respond to" and didn't try to figure anything out. Then once I stopped harping on him he moved back on to roundbox (just now)

botchi246 [1:20 AM]
What do you think about hgd

​[1:20]
Hgs

​[1:22]
Lemme ask.you a questiom

​[1:22]
If i was hg and then came out to you, and you were mafia could you do anything.about it

botchi246 [8:07 PM]
where we hiding

rzr [8:18 PM]
Haha I'm working on that

​[8:18]
I keep readig the room list and thinking - where can I hide and not be crushed

rzr [11:16 PM]
haii

botchi246 [11:18 PM]
Hey derr

rzr [11:20 PM]
whatchya up to

botchi246 [11:23 PM]
Eating at a restaurant you?

​[11:23]
Sky high?

rzr [11:24 PM]
lol workin on it
hittin the bong w/ wifey

​[11:24]
good noms?

botchi246 [11:25 PM]
Yehhhh

​[11:25]
Got nice glass?

rzr [11:26 PM]
I had two nice ones I recently broke :disappointed: we're smokin hers haha, buut it is a nice piece
ice catcher & double perc
wbu?

botchi246 [11:27 PM]
I have an 18in straight tube hbg with ice catcher

rzr [11:30 PM]
ahh that's nice that's literally what I've been asking for xmas haha (size wise)

botchi246 [11:32 PM]
It does the job

​[11:32]
I want to get a slide with a nail though

​[11:32]
Dabs are dumb strong rip

rzr [11:36 PM]
oh the whole rig hell yea we just got a dab pen

botchi246 [11:38 PM]
Just a slide with the nail i can fit to the pipe

​[11:39]
Pens are legit though

​[11:39]
Take em anywhere

​[11:39]
Where you from?


----- December 5th -----
rzr [11:58 AM]
oh so you mean a small enough female? Here's what I did: you now those tiny flowers that come on those glass tubes you can by at like gas stations? I got a shit ton of them and made slides outta them

And I'm from mass but live in Maine now, wbu my dude??

botchi246 [4:34 PM]
Im from north carolina but live in denver


----- December 6th -----
rzr [12:15 PM]
Damn that is far, college orsomethin?

​[12:15]
I might be moving to NC reeal soon lol

​[12:15]
also

​[12:15]
are you a wolf botchi

botchi246 [12:16 PM]
I am a hobo

​[12:16]
Xiz is a wolf

rzr [12:16 PM]
Is that what I was missing itt?

​[12:16]
well be careful then

​[12:17]
I tried to soft hobo to you and 1 other person hoing they would try to get me killed thinking I was one (i'm not)

​[12:17]
Why do we think xiz is a wolf, claims don't add up?

botchi246 [12:17 PM]
But im sure xiz is saying the same about me

​[12:17]
Because he is lying about being a hobo

​[12:17]
Idk how more antitown you could be

rzr [12:18 PM]
I'll have to iso him - I didn't see him contributing anything

​[12:18]
It sucks cuz my alrms went off when he just randomly dropped a vote on me, which isn't something to get defenseive about, it's more the random/no explanantion

​[12:18]
I didn't think so much behind the scenes would be happening

botchi246 [12:19 PM]
And aa is defending xiz

​[12:19]
So thats a flag for me too

​[12:22]
And i was born in nc, but grew up in colorado

rzr [2:03 PM]
Ohhh okay now I get it. Shame you're so far :stuck_out_tongue:
For me, AA is paying the exact same game he did last time. It will be hard to convince me of his scumminess - but my mind is open

rzr [2:20 PM]
botchi I have a question

​[2:20]
did you tell anyone else your hobo?

botchi246 [2:52 PM]
Well not in private

​[2:52]
At least not before tokzics post

rzr [2:52 PM]
ITT?

botchi246 [2:53 PM]
I didnt say anything to anyone before tokzics post except tokzic

rzr [2:53 PM]
Did he claim to you too?

botchi246 [2:54 PM]
I dont think it matters if i tell anyone after that post

​[2:54]
Well not individually

​[2:54]
Just that claim in chat

rzr [2:56 PM]
No I know

​[2:56]
so okay lemme get u hip where I'm at

​[2:56]
I didn't know anything that really happened last night

​[2:56]
I've talked with dlgn and AA that's it

​[2:56]
I still do not trust dlgn, but he doesn't trust AA, and AA doesn't care about him

​[2:56]
I do trust AA, so that concerns me

​[2:57]
Tokzic asked me to do something last night that I need to confirm -

​[2:57]
And we need to fully evaluate Xiz

​[2:57]
I would like to do that you and me because, no offense, if Xiz flips human then it's obvi between you/tokzic

botchi246 [2:59 PM]
Yah obvi

​[3:00]
But aa is like attached to xiz

​[3:00]
Saying hes town

rzr [3:00 PM]
So if Xiz is scum the next target is AA

​[3:01]
if he's not, it's either you or tok

​[3:01]
hmm

​[3:01]
Okay let's say this

​[3:01]
If Xiz and AA are a team, who do you think their partner would be?

​[3:02]
does this come across as scummy to you http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=782
FlashFlashRevolution Rhythm Game site forum. The perfect community for rhythm game and music lovers.

​[3:06]
that last msg was towards you not general sorry: thoughts on backpack?

botchi246 [3:15 PM]
Im confused

​[3:16]
Ur talking about aas post?

​[3:17]
From what i understand, dbp is not his usual detective self

rzr [3:18 PM]
Rephrase: does AA's post look sketchy to you? Imo it comes from a town POV

botchi246 [3:24 PM]
I think its null

​[3:24]
I cant read anything from it

rzr [3:29 PM]
I just don't see a wolf going through that much trouble

​[3:29]
But can be very wrong

rzr [11:27 PM]
do you think xiz is scum

botchi246 [11:28 PM]
Lol is that even a question

rzr [11:28 PM]
I know sorry lol

​[11:28]
Iwrote it before I read that

​[11:29]
do you think AA is a wolf

botchi246 [11:30 PM]
Aa is scary

​[11:30]
Did he vote for xiz

rzr [11:31 PM]
what do you think about my question

​[11:31]
when?

​[11:31]
I missed that

botchi246 [11:31 PM]
This phase

rzr [11:31 PM]
oh yeah

​[11:31]
when he ninjad me

botchi246 [11:31 PM]
Interestinf

​[11:31]
I thought they were partnered

rzr [11:32 PM]
doesn't mean they're not

botchi246 [11:32 PM]
i guess thats true

rzr [11:32 PM]
if xiz is scum my nexct best look is still AA


----- Yesterday December 7th, 2015 -----
rzr [2:14 AM]
what do you think about my idea

botchi246 [2:15 AM]
That aa is done after xiz?

​[2:16]
If xiz is wolf ofc

rzr [2:16 AM]
No I meant what I posted ITT

botchi246 [2:17 AM]
Link me plz, i just read like 6 pages of it.and i cant process it all

rzr [2:17 AM]
it's the very ver last one lol

botchi246 [2:18 AM]
that thing about v in kidz zone?

​[2:18]
Where you quoted storn?

rzr [2:19 AM]
kidz zone

botchi246 [2:20 AM]
The site isnt loading on my comp rip, but i know the post where you quoted storn

rzr [2:21 AM]
I was saying to AA we could send 2 suspects to the kidz zone if one backs out then one of them isd a wolf if they both die we get both flips, assuming 1 is a wolf since 2 wolves wouldn't go

botchi246 [2:22 AM]
Thats a nice idea and all

rzr [2:22 AM]
also my lmao wasn't at you it was at dlgn

botchi246 [2:22 AM]
But i doubt anyone would agree to that

​[2:22]
I know i wouldnt

​[2:22]
Im fine with other guys going, but is like to protect my lives

​[2:23]
Id*

rzr [2:23 AM]
It's more of trying to force it

​[2:23]
like saying "charu and dlgn are the biggest suspects, we should lynch xiz and send both of them to the kidz zone tonight"

​[2:23]
or xel or whoever

​[2:24]
site is down for me too

botchi246 [2:24 AM]
Again

​[2:25]
Thats a good idea

​[2:25]
But they aint gonna go

​[2:25]
Cant really force anyone

​[2:26]
I would like aa, and storn to go to kidz zone in event of xiz lynch


----- Today December 8th, 2015 -----
rzr [10:22 AM]
do you think xiz is human? Do you think V is a wolf?

botchi246 [5:38 PM]
I think the opposite. I trust tok so i think xiz is wolf

​[5:38]
V i believe is human

botchi246 [6:26 PM]
Im in tampa right now. We fish on the ocean! Caught a big ol redfish and some baitfish

storn

botchi246 [8:56 PM]
well hello

​[8:57]
whats your idea on rzr and dbp being wolves

storn [8:57 PM]
of course everyone is pming me now

botchi246 [8:57 PM]
you asked for it

storn [8:57 PM]
i did

​[8:58]
it was a "ooh i''ll say this thing" then half way thinking "nope not saying that"

​[8:59]
nothing i've seen so far would signal that those two are specifically a team. though dbp has some potential. i posted a thing in the thread somewhere.....

​[9:00]
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&postcount=423
FlashFlashRevolution Rhythm Game site forum. The perfect community for rhythm game and music lovers.


----- December 5th -----
botchi246 [4:42 PM]
Tell me a story

tokzic!!

botchi246 [6:45 PM]
Yo, you srsly a hobo?

tokzic [6:52 PM]
srsly

​[6:52]
making a big fat post about it now

botchi246 [6:52 PM]
And it will solidify that position?

​[6:53]
But why would you come out on d1

tokzic [6:53 PM]
because i have a good plan

botchi246 [6:59 PM]
What do you suggest the other hobo should do

tokzic [7:01 PM]
both hobos will absolutely be alive tomorrow

​[7:01]
so i think it's a little better for them to hold off on the claim until then

​[7:02]
bathrooms are where to go tonight

​[7:02]
i'd like to use kidz zone so that bathrooms are available again tomorrow

​[7:03]
but v is currently making that impossible >

botchi246 [7:07 PM]
Im the other hobo

tokzic [7:08 PM]
mah habro

​[7:08]
hobro

botchi246 [7:09 PM]
One of us needs to get in booth tonight

tokzic [7:09 PM]
yes

​[7:09]
do you want to

​[7:09]
we also have the option of

botchi246 [7:09 PM]
Im afraid dolphin wants it too

​[7:09]
And then we will get booted

tokzic [7:10 PM]
using bathrooms/kidz zone

​[7:10]
and asking a human we like to do it instead

botchi246 [7:10 PM]
But v screwed up kidx zone already

tokzic [7:10 PM]
he hasn't screwed it up yet

​[7:10]
if he shows up before eod and agrees to keep it clear

botchi246 [7:10 PM]
Why would we use the bathroom already

tokzic [7:10 PM]
wolves are probably going to be burning our bathroom charges

botchi246 [7:11 PM]
Oh yah forgot about that new twist

tokzic [7:11 PM]
so we gotta use em while we got em

botchi246 [7:15 PM]
If two use kidz zone and one is hobo, will hobo survive the collapse

tokzic [7:15 PM]
100%

​[7:15]
50% chance it'll use his freezeproof though

​[7:15]
since he'll be in main hall

​[7:15]
who are your top human reads right now

​[7:16]
i like charu, ayase, rzr, xiz most

botchi246 [7:16 PM]
Dlgn,rzr,charu,round

​[7:16]
AA is on the fence for me

​[7:17]
He just said he was xontemplating asking for security booth before you claimed

tokzic [7:17 PM]
let's not give it to him lmao

​[7:18]
are you down with rzr or charu going for it

botchi246 [7:18 PM]
Since you claimed you should go booth

tokzic [7:18 PM]
the thing about me going booth is

botchi246 [7:18 PM]
Id be more comfortable if charu went

tokzic [7:18 PM]
wolves freezing it would be

​[7:18]
completely terrible

​[7:18]
i'd lose freezeproof

botchi246 [7:19 PM]
Itd be a smart wolf plan thats for aure

tokzic [7:19 PM]
wolves would still have a huge pool of humans to hide in

​[7:19]
and we wouldn't get a seering

botchi246 [7:19 PM]
Do we still get seering if townie freezes.in booth?

tokzic [7:19 PM]
nope, they just die

botchi246 [7:19 PM]
Fuck

tokzic [7:20 PM]
no that's actually good

​[7:20]
it's kind of counterintuitive but

​[7:20]
we also have the option of sending someone we're uncertain of to booth

botchi246 [7:20 PM]
Oh yes thats a good idea

​[7:21]
How certain are you of aa

tokzic [7:21 PM]
not very

botchi246 [7:21 PM]
Send him

tokzic [7:21 PM]
i feel good about his level of participation

​[7:21]
and a lot of what he's saying

​[7:21]
but i also haven't isoed him

botchi246 [7:21 PM]
Idk why xel voted for me

​[7:22]
I have been active oot.

tokzic [7:23 PM]
you were one of my townier reads

​[7:23]
even before i claimed

​[7:24]
fuck man

botchi246 [7:24 PM]
I didnt.know what to think of you haha

​[7:24]
Had no idea

tokzic [7:24 PM]
dolgin is really really wolfy

botchi246 [7:24 PM]
You think?

​[7:24]
I was almost positive he was town

tokzic [7:24 PM]
he tried to get hobos to claim to him privately

​[7:24]
that's really weird

botchi246 [7:24 PM]
To work his plan

tokzic [7:24 PM]
but not as weird as saying one of them came out to him

​[7:24]
when they didn't

botchi246 [7:25 PM]
Hmmm that does sound odd now that I think about it

​[7:25]
Lemme see what some others say real quick

tokzic [7:25 PM]
i gotta eat i'll brb

botchi246 [7:25 PM]
Aight

botchi246 [8:14 PM]
Lol he called me outing to you

tokzic [8:16 PM]
yup

botchi246 [8:16 PM]
What is up with the votes on gradiant

tokzic [8:16 PM]
i feel bad for how emotional this is getting

​[8:17]
but i'm only getting more confident as it happens

botchi246 [8:17 PM]
Dlgn is making it emotional

tokzic [8:17 PM]
like three or four times he's said things that are basically slips

​[8:17]
then immediately backpedals

botchi246 [8:17 PM]
Hes getting all riled up.on things that shouldn't be so srs

​[8:18]
He is danger to town either way I think

​[8:18]
Whether he be town or wolf

tokzic [8:19 PM]
yeah i agree

​[8:19]
there hasn't been as much rational discussion since things blew up

​[8:19]
and i was really hoping that claiming would lead to more of that

​[8:19]
not less

​[8:20]
i have a really hard time seeing him as town though

botchi246 [8:55 PM]
If you get it, who are you gonna seer

tokzic [8:56 PM]
i'm gonna bathrooms

​[8:56]
probably

​[8:57]
if i were to go i'd check on one of the players who wolfs well

​[8:57]
like roundbox or v

​[8:57]
but it's largely gonna come down to how the lynch flips

botchi246 [9:02 PM]
So ill try for bathroom

tokzic [9:03 PM]
you'll get it

​[9:03]
i'm asking the humans not to go bathrooms tonight

botchi246 [9:16 PM]
If rng how am i gonna get it

​[9:16]
Haha oh geez

botchi246 [9:21 PM]
Do you think i could skew to get the bathrook by claiming noob and wanting to live to d2

tokzic [9:23 PM]
roundbox's idea of rnging the bathrooms is dumb

​[9:23]
we're talking about it now

botchi246 [9:24 PM]
Ok

botchi246 [10:07 PM]
Any word on b-rooms

tokzic [10:07 PM]
i still say go for it

botchi246 [10:08 PM]
Ok ill send my pm.now

botchi246 [10:16 PM]
I put it in

botchi246 [10:22 PM]
Wth xiz claimed

tokzic [10:22 PM]
yes

​[10:22]
i believe you over him

​[10:22]
you came out to me immediately and you feel genuine

​[10:23]
meanwhile xiz claims gets mad and then leaves the thread

botchi246 [10:23 PM]
Xiz is wolf

botchi246 [11:20 PM]
you should take security booth

tokzic [11:21 PM]
think i'm gonna

​[11:21]
i want to check v except there's no point because he's squatting kidz zone

​[11:22]
his vote movements

​[11:22]
were really weird


----- December 6th -----
botchi246 [3:54 PM]
Xiz is taking the booth, well if you take it you both get frozen but you will def survive. I think xiz is wolf so he would prolly die

​[3:56]
Nvm im.wrong on that

tokzic [5:14 PM]
of course he is

​[5:14]
might not even be him, might be one of his partners

​[5:14]
if he's the movie stalker

xelnya

botchi246 [7:33 PM]
Why

xelnya [7:33 PM]
Why you react so hard

​[7:33]
It was a small non backed up vote

​[7:34]
Wai such resistance to it

botchi246 [7:34 PM]
Cuz it was out of the blue

xelnya [7:35 PM]
And you're out in the middle of la la land to me. You have like nothing on the table in my book.

​[7:35]
I'm content with say rzr and roundy right now

​[7:35]
I like AA a fair amount

​[7:35]
Gradiant is getting voted hard so I don't see any need to put more work there atm

​[7:36]
But you

​[7:36]
I like hardly see anything from you

​[7:36]
TO BE FAIR THOUGH

​[7:36]
My staement towards you

​[7:36]
is equally applicable to me

​[7:37]
SO THEN.

botchi246 [7:38 PM]
Hahaha

​[7:38]
Indeed

xelnya [7:38 PM]
​*sips tea*​

botchi246 [7:38 PM]
AA is an unkown to me

​[7:38]
I think we should send him to the booth

xelnya [7:38 PM]
What's unknown about 'em if I may ask?

botchi246 [7:39 PM]
His alignment

xelnya [7:39 PM]
Have you played with AA before or kinda read his play before by chance

botchi246 [7:39 PM]
I skimmed through the other twgs

​[7:40]
I think he is playing in limbo right now

xelnya [7:42 PM]
AA is playing a bit weird to past games in your opinion yes?

botchi246 [7:42 PM]
I agree

​[7:43]
And i think the wolves will target the booth and/or bathrooms

xelnya [7:44 PM]
Bathrooms are not a target

​[7:44]
wolves can't choose them

​[7:44]
check the OP again

botchi246 [7:46 PM]
No I mean hide in there

​[7:46]
Not freeze them

xelnya [7:48 PM]
What makes you think that?

botchi246 [7:54 PM]
So they would use up our uses

​[7:55]
And take away a safezone

xelnya [7:55 PM]
But then you also have to account for one thing though as well that makes doing that risky

​[7:55]
What happens if too many people go there again

​[7:55]
Main hall ejection yes?

​[7:56]
It's not a horrible idea

​[7:56]
but it's more risky than the reward

​[7:56]
imho

botchi246 [8:00 PM]
Yah

​[8:00]
Ur talking abouth booth right

​[8:00]
?

xelnya [8:01 PM]
No bathroom

​[8:01]
It has three uses

​[8:01]
imagine if all of them are taken by twitchy towns

botchi246 [8:01 PM]
Ok

xelnya [8:01 PM]
then wuvs go in

​[8:01]
I assume one of two things happens

botchi246 [8:01 PM]
Then ejection and half die

xelnya [8:02 PM]
first conceptually they're just told "go somewhere else."

​[8:02]
Or

botchi246 [8:02 PM]
But will all get ejected

xelnya [8:02 PM]
rng-sama decides who moves

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would be my guess

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in that case

botchi246 [8:02 PM]
If all get ejected do we still get bathroom uses

xelnya [8:03 PM]
I am unsure. I'd need to ask the host

botchi246 [8:06 PM]
That clears up that

xelnya [8:06 PM]
That it does.

xiz

xiz [12:57 PM]
please try to post more in the thread

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also +1 avatar

[DaBackpack]

I can't tell if botchi's logs are truncated, or if the intros are based on some context that isn't present

[botchi246]

all those logs are from the very beginning, i have not edited or done anything to them

[DaBackpack]

why did roundbox not tell botchi where he was gonna hide wait

who else got that message from roundbox?

[DaBackpack]

oh nvm

[Vendetta21]

Lol there is no fucking way we are killing botchi tomorrow this case is dead and done.

I will be in the kidz room tonight.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

Lol there is no fucking way we are killing botchi tomorrow this case is dead and done.

I will be in the kidz room tonight.

Why not give it to Botchi since you believe he's the PR?

[Vendetta21]

Well if he wants it he can ask for it but he will be alive tomorrow either way and right now I believe the best plan for wolves is to try to kill enough people so they can railroad him

[DaBackpack]

for the public

Tokzic claimed to talk to everybody except storn and Gradiant

Botchi claimed to talk to everybody except Charu

at least one of the posted logs has been fabricated or is entirely artificial

(assuming that wolves chat using the same chats they present to the public)

[DaBackpack]

Botchi claimed to talk to everybody except Charu and Gradiant **

[DaBackpack]

Likely, one of the sets has two fabricated convos

But if not, then either Charu or storn is an accomplice

[Charu]

There you go again overthinking shit.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

for the public

Tokzic claimed to talk to everybody except storn and Gradiant

Botchi claimed to talk to everybody except Charu

at least one of the posted logs has been fabricated or is entirely artificial

(assuming that wolves chat using the same chats they present to the public)

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Botchi claimed to talk to everybody except Charu and Gradiant **

wait why? I see no logs with storn/gradiant and charu/gradiant

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

wait why? I see no logs with storn/gradiant and charu/gradiant

Look at the lists they posted

Botchi did not post a list for Charu or Gradiant.

Tokzic did not post a list for Storn or Gradiant.

One of them is a wolf.

Wolves have two partners.

So then at least one of the convos they posted is fake.

[DaBackpack]

Because there are 13 players ---

Each of them ahs 10 convos listed.
13 - Gradiant - self = 11.

10 convos listed, 11 players they could have talked to == at least ONE convo is fabricated