TWG CXXIV: Super Smash Brothers

[TWG Pit]

Sonic wagon might be real chill though guys, but imo lynch between kirby and fox

[TWG Pit]

K pce

[TWG Kirby]

Originally Posted by TWG Pit

Sonic wagon might be real chill though guys, but imo lynch between kirby and fox

So you agree it should be between me or fox but wont place a vote on either. Makes total sense.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Vote count incoming!

[TWG Ike]

Originally Posted by TWG Zelda

Anyone could be the godfather, but the odds of actually picking him....? I as well still find Ike wolfy despite the seer as well, for before mentioned reasons and now he's going on villager? Seems a bit random, I've been going after him all game, why now Ike?

POE and I'm not sure if lynching between the two of Fox and Kirby is best atm.
He's been frozen for a long time like I said in the post I made where I voted him.

[TWG Ike]

also I wanna see how the wagons develop

[TWG Pit]

I feel like a flip between the two of you would help a bit, that's all.

You've been going at each other all game.

I mean unless anything else crops up. But really, I'm not gonna be paying attention to the thread much.

[TWG King Dedede]

STARTING TO WORRY ABOUT HOW MANY ARE SAYING THAT THERE ABSOLUTELY MUST BE A WOLF BETWEEN KIRBY AND FOX. HUMANS GO AFTER EACH OTHER ALL THE TIME IN THIS GAME WE CALL T-W-G. caps

[TWG Charizard]

I went back and did some reading/thinking about the Fox/Kirby situation and have come to the conclusion that Kirby is the most likely wolf out of the pair.

First, the case for Fox. Kirby first began grilling Fox because of his role in the Falcon lynch (easy wagon/placing a vote and missing EOD), but that initial reason evolved to include not substantiating reads, tunnel vision, and lurking without posting. Although I admit that he has had tunnel vision the past couple of phases, Fox has also commented on or in response to Mario, Ike, Pikachu, Yoshi, Pit, Villager, Mega Man, Peach, Link, Bowser, Zelda, and Samus prior to Kirby's focus on him. Fox's biggest fault aside from not actively wolfhunting is an inconsistent read on Yoshi (thinks his reads are unoriginal, but then says it's DFR so it's expected and he's not as wolfy because of his identity, then near the end of the phase when Yoshi hadn't given any reads he goes back to thinking he's a wolf). I could also fault him for defending Pikachu and Bowser early in the game but those are more subjective depending on your reads.

Kirby is a different story. If you look through his posts, you'll find that his case for Fox having tunnel vision is hypocritical considering that Kirby began d1 with suspicions on Ike, Fox, and Mega Man and has carried those very same suspicions (except for Ike's due to Bowser checking him green) up until now without adding anything new whatsoever. Seriously, look through Kirby's most recent posts and tell me this doesn't apply to himself as well:

Originally Posted by TWG Kirby

I'd love to hear who else is standing out as wolfy to you, I'm not satisfied with you just stating Mario and myself. Perhaps if you showed you were actively searching I'd lay off you more.

Another hypocritical point was when Kirby said this:

Originally Posted by TWG Kirby

Sorry, I don't literally nitpick through every piece of what you say.

When he did literally nitpick through every piece of what Fox said about Pikachu less than 30 posts prior:

Originally Posted by TWG Kirby

I wouldn't say that about Pikachu because it seems like Fox has been trying to protect him which is contradictory towards things he's been saying.



Diverting attention away from Pickachu and onto other inactives.



Doesn't want him to be killed for roleplay, yet the roleplay is not helpful to the town and this person hasn't contributed anything useful to the town. Why is this dead weight okay but not the others?



Against a Mario/Pikachu kitb but says that all inactives should be grouped together.





If they're all red then why have a problem with people voting Pikachu last phase? Also why have a problem with two inactives being up in a kitb situation? Seems to me that Fox was totally okay with killing any other inactive aside from Pikachu. Fishy if you ask me.

Also worth noting is Kirby's stance on the Mega Man lynch. It began at the start of d1 when he looked through the Falcon wagon to see who was suspicious and treated Mega Man as null:

Originally Posted by TWG Kirby

Megaman - Not sure what I think of Megaman right now, would like to see actions this phase. Leaving him as a null for now.

Then he prodded Mega Man for saying he'd post more but didn't do so:

Originally Posted by TWG Kirby

I am going to start poking at Mega Man now because he claimed he was going to start talking and still hasn't been here.

Later the read evolves to this:

Originally Posted by TWG Kirby

I'm starting to think I may stay on Mega Man. Still hasn't made much effort this phase and has a few weird things last phase (I'd have to go back and pull up posts again).

These weird posts are then explained to be hopping on easy wagons:

Originally Posted by TWG Kirby

Eh, I guess what bothered me most about Mega Man was that he seemed to be on all the easy targets last phase. I'm a bit disappointed he hasn't been around much this phase, but probably not the best lynch for tonight either.

Eventually Kirby switches back to Mega Man though, then posts this a minute before EOD, which was also before everybody on the Mega Man wagon got cold feet and it appeared as though the lynch was going to go through:

Originally Posted by TWG Kirby

Which does have me wondering if Mega is human now because I think Fox is distancing himself on purpose. Just going to have to see how the lynch goes. Too late to change anything now.

This is more of a stretch than my other points, but this could be read as advanced knowledge of the flip.

However, out of all these points, I think the most damning one is this:

Originally Posted by TWG Kirby

Did you really ignore me addressing the Mega Man thing? I was on Mega early in the phase, switched off to Fox to try to get him talking again. Then went back to my original lynch target for the day.

Mega Man was his original lynch target? As you can see above, Kirby was on him early in the phase because of a null read and a desire for more information, that's it. There was no intent to lynch. In fact, you might remember Kirby saying that Mega Man was probably not the best lynch for tonight either. Kirby had voted and suspected Mega Man, yes, but to say that he was a lynch target goes against what was posted. I believe that Kirby is struggling to remain consistent with his reasoning because he's not telling the truth.

[DarkManticoreX2]

About an hour and a half left.

This is... so painful to do....

Vote count: (10 to insta)

Fox
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Kirby
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Bowser
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Sonic
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Villager
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Megaman
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Zelda
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Roslina
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Marth
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No Vote:

[TWG Kirby]

I'm the one in here trying to drag out wolves, he's the one avoiding it and I'm the wolfy one? Lol

Fox is a wolf

[TWG Charizard]

Oh, I forgot about this post too:

Originally Posted by TWG Kirby

Hey all you lurkers, care to come in and put some input in? 7 guests viewing.

View it in context and look at the timestamps. Kirby's post before this was about Fox, and his post after this was also about Fox. In between his last post and this one were reads from Dedede, Villager, and the big reads post from Link. Plenty to comment on, but he focused on the lurkers instead.

[TWG Mega Man]

Bowser literally gives up after I gotcha him, just about everyone agrees that he can't be the Cop, and we're still not lynching him?

This game, man, I tell you.

[TWG Charizard]

Originally Posted by TWG Kirby

I'm the one in here trying to drag out wolves, he's the one avoiding it and I'm the wolfy one? Lol

Fox is a wolf

You've been trying to drag out the same wolf for two phases now. It's fine to continue pushing Fox, but push him while looking in other places as well. What about the other four wolves? Even if you take your wolf read on Mega Man and your redacted one on Ike, there's still one other wolf for you to look for. Why the railroading?

[TWG Mega Man]

Okay, I guess I'll go inspect two of my foggiest reads so I can figure out if either of them are good lynches.

[TWG King Dedede]

KIRBY, YOU SAID YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOX/IKE AS WOLVES. ANYONE ELSE? caps

[TWG Charizard]

Originally Posted by TWG Mega Man

Bowser literally gives up after I gotcha him, just about everyone agrees that he can't be the Cop, and we're still not lynching him?

This game, man, I tell you.

Already posted my thoughts on this subject:

Originally Posted by TWG Charizard

However, that all being said, I ultimately agree in Ike's stance that even if Bowser is a wolf he shouldn't be lynched yet. There are still four other wolves alive and the town has four more opportunities to mislynch if the rate of two greens dying per mislynch continues. The longer that Bowser is kept alive then the more opportunity that he has to make mistakes, to incriminate his teammates, to give us what are likely to be human reads (since I don't think Wolf Bowser would risk fake checking one of his red teammates when there's this much scrutiny placed on him already), and to make even more plays on his own that will give us clearer insight into his alignment for when a Bowser lynch is a more appropriate consideration.

Basically, Mega Man, my stance is this: If what you say is true and Bowser has already fucked up this much, then why not keep him alive while we're able to and let him fuck up even more?

[TWG Kirby]

Originally Posted by TWG Charizard

Oh, I forgot about this post too:



View it in context and look at the timestamps. Kirby's post before this was about Fox, and his post after this was also about Fox. In between his last post and this one were reads from Dedede, Villager, and the big reads post from Link. Plenty to comment on, but he focused on the lurkers instead.

Apologies that I think it's stupid that a bunch of people are lurking logged out. Like we have 10 lurkers now and we're just a bit above an hour left for EOD. Yeah, I want people to talk. I've had a hard focus on Fox, but again he's wolfy and everyone has ignored it. I've also tried time and time again to get him to actually post something about people and he wont. He's constantly lurking the thread. Least there's actually people acknowledging him now, so I succeeded in getting attention there.
I've made comments on other people that peaked my interest during this game and looked at the wagons that were most likely to contain a wolf.

I still don't fully trust you either from steering everyone away from the lynch last phase.

[TWG King Dedede]

STEERING EVERYONE AWAY FROM WHICH LYNCH, KIRBY? caps

[TWG Kirby]

Originally Posted by TWG King Dedede

KIRBY, YOU SAID YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOX/IKE AS WOLVES. ANYONE ELSE? caps

I've still been trying to make sense of this Bowser situation. Depending on whether he's real or fake really changes things. I have a distrust for him considering he put two of my wolf leans as a green, but Pikachu hasn't really been here so it's hard to latch on to that other than the feel of Fox defending him.
There's the possibility that Ike could be the godfather and that Bowser isn't lying. Perhaps he's town and I'm totally off on Ike, but it also seems to me like Ike and Fox have been lightly defending one another.
I still have a distrust for Charizard for steering the wagon off Mega Man last phase. I feel there has to be a wolf somewhere in that pairing but I'm not comfortable going after Bowser just yet and as I mentioned in an earlier post this phase about mega man I'm not sure that he'd push so hard for us to kill Bowser if he were a wolf because he knows he'd die next phase if Bowser did flip cop. That's why I'd rather get rid of someone else wolfy this phase and see what else comes out with the whole Bowser Mega deal.

Ike and Fox are my hardest wolf leans
Bowser and Mega are on radar for obvious reasons
I haven't felt any reason to be suspicious of Zelda or Link, they seem to be helpful humans to me right now.
The inactives I can't really say anything about and we always seem to have several in these larger games. I'd say get rid of dead weight but I don't feel it helps us gain anything for upcoming phases.
You've been looking a little odd to me with some of your voting but I've been wanting to see what else comes out of you.

I know I'm missing a few people, let me look at the list of players again.