TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 7/8/09 - Page 107

behanjc · 12-28-2007, 10:38 PM

Nice call removing challenging songs. I hated inconsistency where easy songs from the past were left in but later songs of greater difficulty were not added. Please update the calculator a bit before doing the major update though. I'd just like to know if I need 1 or 2 more points to advance a tier before the update. Thanks.

**Coolboyrulez0** · 12-28-2007, 10:42 PM

T_T wipe MOST challenging and bellow would mean 300+ TP = 200- TP

Thanks FFR... you made my day. > : (

CBR

EDIT: Remove ALL Very Difficult(goddamn MAX forever) that would be good but not MOST challenging...

[TeRa] · 12-28-2007, 10:42 PM

this is gonna make me happy as hell
cant wait for this new smaller list

**eurostud4** · 12-29-2007, 03:27 AM

i think you should take some of the inactive players off, who obviously dont play anymore, it would really clean up the list quite up a bit I think. if anything, take me off until I decide to maybe play the 150 plus songs that I havent tried yet

Erik542 · 12-29-2007, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rebirth0

A big update is coming this week

We might remove ALL of the Challenging and lower songs, and only have Very Challengings and higher in the system.

Counting only VC and higher songs, we'll have 16 more songs to add to the system, but we'd be taking away just about the same number from all the easier songs.

Well, I do agree that some of the songs on there are quite easy compared to others, however there a some songs that are rated VC but are easier than many of the C songs <cough>Infernoplex, Mute City</cough>. This is nothing to say of the harder C songs. If you're going strictly adhere to the how the songs are rated, then the song ratings need updating, even then there will be a lot of bickering.

[TeRa] · 12-29-2007, 11:16 PM

they arent going by how the songs are rated, hence why stuff like abtrusity is going to be on the list, they are taking what they feel deserves to be on it. not strictly vc's and up.

also, they are trying to make the tiers how it used to be, with MUCH less people then there are on it then now. (at least thats how i see it)

**jimerax** · 12-30-2007, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurostud4

i think you should take some of the inactive players off, who obviously dont play anymore, it would really clean up the list quite up a bit I think. if anything, take me off until I decide to maybe play the 150 plus songs that I havent tried yet

yeah inactive players will be removed, I'm even going to remove myself from the list.

**Tayfun** · 12-30-2007, 02:07 AM

remove me also thanks.

Erik542 · 01-1-2008, 12:55 AM

As I thought about the the proposal to removal songs from the list, the more I thought that it is a bad idea. As a matter of fact, it is a move in the complete opposite direction. If we are to change the list, we should add more songs to it. Logically, if we want to lower the number of tiered people then only having harder songs on the list makes sense and adding songs which would inevitably cause easier songs to be on there would appear counter-productive. However, those logical deductions assume that the number of points required are not changed, but when that is changed the reasoning goes up into the air. So for sake of argument (i.e. completely made up numbers and methodology) let us suppose that we want 65 people. Now we could only have FMO's and FGO's and have an effective requirement of 8 AAA's on those songs just to be Tier 4. On the other hand, we could also count a large portion of songs but still set the requirement to be tier 4 high enough such that there would only be 65 people on the list.

So there is another option but why bother? Simple, psychology. The idea has been merely proposed and people are already unhappy about the prospect of losing tier points. So if removing songs and effectively taking away people's tier points causes unrest, then artificially adding points would probably be a popular move. If we keep the numbers high such that only a certain number of people are tiered then actually there is no relative change in anyone's position.

**bender5** · 01-1-2008, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jimerax

CP req is ok as it is.

What are you on crack? Anyone can plainly see that if you were to have 9/9 on CP that the score would get thrown out anyway. There isn't really anything that I have an issue with on this list besides the fact the score is NEARLY impossible to get. There are quite a few people who have more then enough trill speed to hit the trill totally 100% legit, but not on the current FFR engine with the issues with one framers. You have done a very good job constructing this list but you should cap the score at 1.4 mil or so what ever the 8/9 requirement is because all the current and scores to come on CP that happen to have a score like that is just instant bs anyway. Even if you add an even stricter final point that maybe only someone like ieat could achieve it would make so much more sense to me then having that stupid 1.8 mil FC requirement.

Also if all of the songs below Abstrusity are removed does this do away with all the ?/4 reqs?

**jimerax** · 01-1-2008, 01:46 AM

FC fits better than 1.415 mil for 9pts on cp, that's all.
those might be changed when we make 10+ points reqs though.

reqs will be ?/5 or ?/6 like current ones, no ?/4 songs.

**Popmeister** · 01-1-2008, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jimerax

10+ points reqs

=O

Will those be applied to the current FGO songs as a more accurate unit of measure?

**EnR** · 01-1-2008, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimerax

an idea of songs for tier req

63 (S) Abtrusity (718 Notes / BPM 155)
65 (R) the Brain of the Moon (2135 Notes / BPM ???)
65 (H) Famouz (392 Notes / BPM 160)
65 (A) The Games We Played, Part 4 (1124 Notes / BPM 33-236)
66 (D2) Divinity (1009 Notes / BPM 137)
66 (P) Rondo Alla Turca V2 (1523 Notes / BPM 150)
66 (M) Coat Czech (670 Notes / BPM 98)
66 (S) Force Of Light (1074 Notes / BPM 145)
66 (D2) Torinouta (Noise Rave Mix) (1148 Notes / BPM 180)
67 (D2) Uber Rave (965 Notes / BPM 175)
67 (C) Rondo Alla Turca (1550 Notes / BPM 140?)
67 (A) The Games We Played, Part 5 (1264 Notes / BPM 20-199)
69 (C) Tambourin Chinois (676 Notes / BPM 160)
69 (C) Hungarian Dance #7 (510 Notes / BPM 220)
69 (M) State of Emergency (784 Notes / BPM 191)
69 (C) Classical Insanity (1101 Notes / BPM 175)
69 (D2) {Frozen} (1438 Notes / BPM 140)
69 (D2) Love Coloured Master Spark (1911 Notes / BPM 90-170)

plus all of 70 or higher songs.

suggestion?

I'd say start at 60, and go upto FGO, and add vrofl

silvercomet1525 · 01-1-2008, 02:29 AM

Well if removing some songs from the list would lower many people's total, then wouldn't it also be logical to reduce the reqs for the tiers?

Dang it. Now I bet I'll be just below the req for T4 now.

**EnR** · 01-1-2008, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by silvercomet1525

Well if removing some songs from the list would lower many people's total, then wouldn't it also be logical to reduce the reqs for the tiers?

Dang it. Now I bet I'll be just below the req for T4 now.

The're obviously going to lower the Tier levels rofl.

XPYRYMYNT · 01-1-2008, 05:34 AM

IMO Tier 4 shouldn't exist

**eurostud4** · 01-1-2008, 07:57 AM

I fail to understand why a song that requires pure luck like crowdpleaser is on the list

**Sprite-** · 01-1-2008, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurostud4

I fail to understand why a song that requires pure luck like crowdpleaser is on the list

Because it doesn't require pure luck.

**Adamaja456** · 01-1-2008, 03:33 PM

you guys got any ideas how long until the update?

Erik542 · 01-1-2008, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adamaja456

you guys got any ideas how long until the update?

Soon.

12-28-2007, 10:38 PM	#2121
behanjc stargroup & me are <3'ers Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ontario, Canada Age: 33 Posts: 1,546	Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07 Nice call removing challenging songs. I hated inconsistency where easy songs from the past were left in but later songs of greater difficulty were not added. Please update the calculator a bit before doing the major update though. I'd just like to know if I need 1 or 2 more points to advance a tier before the update. Thanks. __________________ http://www.facebook.com/BehanOfficial https://soundcloud.com/behanmusic/powerhouse-ep-preview-out-now

12-28-2007, 10:42 PM	#2122
Coolboyrulez0 VICES Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Germany Age: 32 Posts: 10,042	Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07 T_T wipe MOST challenging and bellow would mean 300+ TP = 200- TP Thanks FFR... you made my day. > : ( CBR EDIT: Remove ALL Very Difficult(goddamn MAX forever) that would be good but not MOST challenging... __________________ https://soundcloud.com/cbrbreakcore https://cbrrecords.bandcamp.com/

12-28-2007, 10:42 PM	#2123
[TeRa] FFR Player Join Date: May 2007 Age: 35 Posts: 9,922	Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07 this is gonna make me happy as hell cant wait for this new smaller list Last edited by [TeRa]; 12-29-2007 at 12:31 PM..

12-29-2007, 03:27 AM	#2124
eurostud4 FFR Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: thicket of solitude Age: 34 Posts: 995	Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07 i think you should take some of the inactive players off, who obviously dont play anymore, it would really clean up the list quite up a bit I think. if anything, take me off until I decide to maybe play the 150 plus songs that I havent tried yet __________________ FFR. R.I.P. Steve <3

12-29-2007, 11:16 PM	#2126
[TeRa] FFR Player Join Date: May 2007 Age: 35 Posts: 9,922	Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07 they arent going by how the songs are rated, hence why stuff like abtrusity is going to be on the list, they are taking what they feel deserves to be on it. not strictly vc's and up. also, they are trying to make the tiers how it used to be, with MUCH less people then there are on it then now. (at least thats how i see it) Last edited by [TeRa]; 12-29-2007 at 11:20 PM..

12-30-2007, 02:07 AM	#2128
Tayfun MasterGTS Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 918	Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07 remove me also thanks.

01-1-2008, 12:55 AM	#2129
Erik542 FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 92	Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07 As I thought about the the proposal to removal songs from the list, the more I thought that it is a bad idea. As a matter of fact, it is a move in the complete opposite direction. If we are to change the list, we should add more songs to it. Logically, if we want to lower the number of tiered people then only having harder songs on the list makes sense and adding songs which would inevitably cause easier songs to be on there would appear counter-productive. However, those logical deductions assume that the number of points required are not changed, but when that is changed the reasoning goes up into the air. So for sake of argument (i.e. completely made up numbers and methodology) let us suppose that we want 65 people. Now we could only have FMO's and FGO's and have an effective requirement of 8 AAA's on those songs just to be Tier 4. On the other hand, we could also count a large portion of songs but still set the requirement to be tier 4 high enough such that there would only be 65 people on the list. So there is another option but why bother? Simple, psychology. The idea has been merely proposed and people are already unhappy about the prospect of losing tier points. So if removing songs and effectively taking away people's tier points causes unrest, then artificially adding points would probably be a popular move. If we keep the numbers high such that only a certain number of people are tiered then actually there is no relative change in anyone's position.

01-1-2008, 01:46 AM	#2131
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07 FC fits better than 1.415 mil for 9pts on cp, that's all. those might be changed when we make 10+ points reqs though. reqs will be ?/5 or ?/6 like current ones, no ?/4 songs.

01-1-2008, 05:34 AM	#2136
XPYRYMYNT ...just call me Eli Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 35 Posts: 584	Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07 IMO Tier 4 shouldn't exist __________________

01-1-2008, 07:57 AM	#2137
eurostud4 FFR Veteran Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: thicket of solitude Age: 34 Posts: 995	Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07 I fail to understand why a song that requires pure luck like crowdpleaser is on the list __________________ FFR. R.I.P. Steve <3

01-1-2008, 03:33 PM	#2139
Adamaja456 Absurd Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 31 Billion Club, WA Age: 35 Posts: 6,433	Re: TOP Players / Tier Requirements Thread - Updated 10/31/07 you guys got any ideas how long until the update? __________________ 582 Tier Points(Tier 3) 602 AAAs(517+23+62) People who bought me subscriptions/tokens: DrugstoreCowboy(1 month) ELRayford(3 months) ~GJampa(3 months) Jerry DB(3 months) 4th place in Gamewhore Competition(3 months) Phynx(FGJ album and Dendrite V2) dragon890x(1 year) Slide(1 year)

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