The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science

**Reach** · 11-10-2010, 04:42 PM

Something fun to stimulate the mind of FFR goers:

http://cbstrials.com/Open/Default.aspx?B_ID=279

Welcome to the 12 Pillars of Wisdom. This series of 12 cognitive tasks will test your planning, reasoning, working memory and attentional abilities to the limit. Brought to you by Cambridge Brain Sciences in collaboration with New Scientist and the Discovery Channel.

(Takes 20-30 minutes, you can give a fake email)

Can post scores if you want:

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - TOP %
VERBAL REASONING - TOP %
FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP %
DEDUCTIVE REASONING - TOP %
WORKING MEMORY - TOP %
MENTAL ROTATION - TOP %
VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP %
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - TOP %
PLANNING - TOP %
PAIRED ASSOCIATES - TOP %
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - TOP %
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP %

**nuclearsamurai** · 11-10-2010, 04:44 PM

Hmm. Worth a try.

EDIT: Done.

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - 8.0 - TOP 37.3%
VERBAL REASONING - 17.0 - TOP 31.6%
FOCUSED ATTENTION - 25.0 - TOP 23.8%
DEDUCTIVE REASONING - 2.0 - TOP 95.9% (Brother called me out of the house to check what was up with his car during this one, unfortunately.)
WORKING MEMORY - 7.0 - TOP 16.9%
MENTAL ROTATION - 152.0 - TOP 5.6%
VISUAL ATTENTION - 112.0 - TOP 60.8%
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - 9 - TOP 14.0%
PLANNING - 44.0 - TOP 4.3%
PAIRED ASSOCIATES - 6.0 - TOP 30.2%
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - 28.0 - TOP 76.7%
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY - 10.0 - TOP 14.4%

EDIT 2: Good job breaking the test, Rubix.

MrRubix · 11-10-2010, 05:15 PM

Did the "memorize square positions and numbers" thing and beat all levels (25 inclusive) without any errors -- then the entire thing just kinda froze on me without progressing from the black screen.

Used two different memory systems that I am well-acquainted with -- started out with visual shape paths rotely and switched to PAO method once things started filling in a bit.

**Reach** · 11-10-2010, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrRubix

Did the "memorize square positions and numbers" thing and beat all levels (25 inclusive) without any errors -- then the entire thing just kinda froze on me without progressing from the black screen.

Used two different memory systems that I am well-acquainted with -- started out with visual shape paths rotely and switched to PAO method once things started filling in a bit.

That's weird. Maybe skip the first section and try again? It should work (Maybe you broke it by getting to level 25

)

I'm familiar with most memory mnemonics, but what is PAO? I find the first task quite hard; I was only able to get up to 10/11 (Though, no heuristics were used).

My first try scores were:

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - TOP 5.6%
VERBAL REASONING - TOP 1.6%
FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP 0.1%
DEDUCTIVE REASONING - TOP 12.7%
WORKING MEMORY - TOP 16.9%
MENTAL ROTATION - TOP 4.5%
VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP 17.8%
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - TOP 5.7%
PLANNING - TOP 0.1%
PAIRED ASSOCIATES - TOP 15.1%
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - TOP 3.1%
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP 14.4%

Could easily improve deductive reasoning (Misclicked), visual attention and spatial working memory. Probably visualspatial processing too.

Found the spatial memory type questions the hardest.

Wineandbread · 11-10-2010, 05:25 PM

I started taking this

Then my friends walked in and ****ed my test up so I'll take it later

ORBB · 11-10-2010, 06:00 PM

Visuospatial working memory strategy - top 37.3%
verbal reasoning - top 37.5%
focused attention - top 50.0%
deductive reasoning - top 74.3%
working memory - top 89.4%
mental rotation - top 86.0%
visual attention - top 26.%
verbal working memory - top 93.1%
planning - top 73.8%
paired associates - top 15.1%
visuospatial processing - top 97.6%
spatial working memory- top 8.4%

**darkshark** · 11-10-2010, 06:05 PM

I completed the test and got pretty horrible results. I'm at work, so I can't give it my full attention, but I did manage to get the top .1% in the Visual Attention and Verbal Working Memory.

Visual Attention I just crossed my eye's like looking at a stereogram, let's you see inconsistencies like pie. Verbal Working test I used blocking and got to 16 digits.

Worst test was Focused Attention at top 62%

**adlp** · 11-10-2010, 06:49 PM

hey reach i remember you from your stepfiles way back in the day

love em still

hows it goin

**cry4eternity** · 11-10-2010, 07:14 PM

Hahahaha they asked how much sleep I got. 3 hours. Outlier

.
I screwed up every other test, basically =/.

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - 10.0 TOP 5.6%
VERBAL REASONING - 17.0 TOP 31.6%
FOCUSED ATTENTION - 45.0 TOP 10.0%
DEDUCTIVE REASONING - 13.0 TOP 24.2%
WORKING MEMORY - 8.0 TOP 4.8%
MENTAL ROTATION - 59.0 TOP 73.5%
VISUAL ATTENTION - 88.0 TOP 82.2%
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - 10.0 TOP 5.7%
PLANNING - 11.0 TOP 80.9%
PAIRED ASSOCIATES - 8.0 TOP 6.3%
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - 24.0 TOP 81.1%
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY - 13.0 TOP 2.4%

who_cares973 · 11-10-2010, 09:17 PM

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY -9.0 TOP % 16.7
VERBAL REASONING -9.0 TOP %78.7 (i could seriously improve this lmao)
FOCUSED ATTENTION -33.0 TOP %30.2 (could also improve this)
DEDUCTIVE REASONING -9.0 TOP % 58.3
WORKING MEMORY -6 TOP %41.2 (i have a game like this on my phone and i do better when the sequence is given to me faster)
MENTAL ROTATION -144 TOP %8.0
VISUAL ATTENTION -196 TOP %2.5
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY -7 TOP %47.9
PLANNING -18 TOP %66.2 (i didnt get what to do at first because i didnt read the directions derp)
PAIRED ASSOCIATES -6 TOP %30.2
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING -43 TOP %56.1
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY-10 TOP %14.4

this was fun. also thought it was funny how a lot of these tests are games for my phone

esupin · 11-10-2010, 10:51 PM

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - TOP 16.7%
VERBAL REASONING - TOP 31.6%
FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP 28.0%
DEDUCTIVE REASONING - TOP 24.2%
WORKING MEMORY - TOP 16.9%
MENTAL ROTATION - TOP 92.3% (I already knew I sucked at this though)
VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP 10.2% (I figured this would be my top)
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - TOP 14.0%
PLANNING - TOP 68.4% (also knew I sucked at this beforehand)
PAIRED ASSOCIATES - TOP 30.2%
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - TOP 96.1% (I don't think I read the instructions correctly)
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP ???% (there was a server error lol)

**EnR** · 11-10-2010, 11:35 PM

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - TOP 62.7% 37.3%
VERBAL REASONING - TOP 50% 13.4%
FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP 95.6% 72%
DEDUCTIVE REASONING - TOP 17.9% 49.1%
WORKING MEMORY - TOP 41.2% 16.9%
MENTAL ROTATION - TOP 2.8% 0.4%
VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP 0.3% 20.7%
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - TOP 68% 83.7%
PLANNING - TOP 59.5% 62.5%
PAIRED ASSOCIATES - TOP 50% 69.8
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - TOP 60.7% 0.1%
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP 33.7% 22.8%

First time: 45.2% average
Second time : 37.4% average

Wow I'm dumb, I was only good at the rotation and visual attention.

Barq · 11-10-2010, 11:44 PM

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - top 16.7
VERBAL REASONING - TOP 26.2
FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP 16.7
DEDUCTIVE REASONING - TOP 74.4
WORKING MEMORY - TOP 4.8
MENTAL ROTATION - TOP 47.1
VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP 52.2
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - TOP 68
PLANNING - TOP 22
PAIRED ASSOCIATES - TOP 50
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - TOP 77.8
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP 14.4

Out of the 4 memory ones, i did good on 3 of them, but I could have done a lot better on verbal if i did that "chunking" strategy. I've used it before but only for memorizing phone numbers but it wasn't intuitive to me at least.

But is memory really any good? what is the use of memory? what good is it?

Iam90 · 11-11-2010, 12:53 AM

I need to try a bit harder next time (had law and order on in the background) haha but here we go

edit: final results after retake

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - TOP 37.3%
VERBAL REASONING - TOP 4.3%
FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP 4.4%
DEDUCTIVE REASONING - TOP 31.8%
WORKING MEMORY - TOP 16.9%
MENTAL ROTATION - TOP 0.1% (this is really ironic because I am TERRIBLE at reading maps and doing most directional functions haha)
VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP 12.2%
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - TOP 14% (terrible at remembering phone numbers so i'm not surprised)
PLANNING - TOP 56.4%
PAIRED ASSOCIATES - TOP 0.2%
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - TOP 2.4%
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP 0.2%

fun stuff

**TC_Halogen** · 11-11-2010, 01:05 AM

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - TOP 16.7%
FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP 8.9%
WORKING MEMORY - TOP 16.9%
MENTAL ROTATION - TOP 1.8%
VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP 8.1%

only putting the decent ones

EDIT: Take two, when I'm not being IM'd by Rawmeat and/or being distracted
VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - 11.0; TOP 1.5%
VERBAL REASONING - 20.0; TOP 17.0%
FOCUSED ATTENTION - 52.0; TOP 4.4%
DEDUCTIVE REASONING - 7.0; TOP 74.3% - got 19 in a row correct, then proceeded to get like 12 in a row wrong; why keep subtracting...?
WORKING MEMORY - 6.0; TOP 41.2%
MENTAL ROTATION - did slightly worse, sticking with top
VISUAL ATTENTION - 216.0; TOP 0.7%
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - 9.0; TOP 14.0%
PLANNING - 36.0; TOP 13.4%
PAIRED ASSOCIATES - 4.0; TOP 69.8% - can't...remember
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - 36.0; TOP 66.4% - yet another one where I was doing great, only to get a ton of them in a row wrong
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP %...site broke?

**psychoangel691** · 11-11-2010, 01:49 AM

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - 8.0 Top 37.3%
VERBAL REASONING - 29.0 TOP 1.1 %
FOCUSED ATTENTION - 54.0 TOP 3.4 %
DEDUCTIVE REASONING - 12.0 TOP 31.8%
WORKING MEMORY - 7.0 TOP 16.9%
MENTAL ROTATION - 101.0 TOP 35%
VISUAL ATTENTION - 169.0 TOP 10.2%
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - 8.0 TOP 28.4%
PLANNING - 34.0 TOP 17.0%
PAIRED ASSOCIATES - 6.0 TOP 30.2%
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - 60.0 TOP 30.9%
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- 9.0 TOP 22.8%

I'll probably try this again tomorrow when I'm not half asleep and easily distracted lol.

**TC_Halogen** · 11-11-2010, 01:56 AM

my cussing ruined her scores

not joking

Mulie · 11-11-2010, 06:12 AM

VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - 8.0 - Top 37.3%
VERBAL REASONING - 22.0 - TOP 10.3 %
FOCUSED ATTENTION - 53.0 - TOP 3.8 %
DEDUCTIVE REASONING - 11.0 - TOP 40.2%
WORKING MEMORY - 7.0 - TOP 16.9%
MENTAL ROTATION - 120.0 - TOP 20.0%
VISUAL ATTENTION - 132.0 - TOP 39.2%
VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - 11.0 - TOP 2.0%
PLANNING - 13.0 - TOP 76.3%
PAIRED ASSOCIATES - 4.0 - TOP 69.8%
VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - 108.0 - TOP 1.2%
SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- 8.0 - TOP 33.7%

Woops, noticed I'd put the mean score on _many categories_ when comparing scores.
Apparently I suck at organizing my thoughts. No big surprise, but...

MrRubix · 11-11-2010, 08:27 AM

Reach: PAO is Person Action Object. You could also probably use a form of the journey method, but PAO worked well for me here. Instead of just memorizing paths, I memorized the numbers in order from upper left to lower right using 0 for my blank spaces. The idea is this:

1 = A
2 = B
3 = C
etc, which I felt was appropriate here since the max was 25 (therefore I could use this list up to Y and use 0 for Z). You take things in chunks of three, and associate the first element of the chunk with a person, the second an action, and third an object. For example:

13 2 5 6 21 8 becomes (M B E)(F U H) which is easier to remember as (Mufasa banging an Easteregg) (Frankenstein upchucking on the hotdog)

Memorizing two very vivid images is a lot easier than trying to remember 6 numbers -- so you cut down the distinct elements to memorize a third of what you'd normally need, and in a format that is easier to recall. The human brain can only remember so many distinct elements in short-term memory before it starts tripping up. Like you, without heuristics, I'd probably start getting hazy around 10. But using various forms of chunking systems to appeal to other memory structures that are embedded in the long-term memory already makes for an easier approach to handling larger amounts of content.

In my blindfold cube solving video from a few years back, I use PAO for permuting the edges (the last fourth of my solve or so).

The only tricky part about applying it here to this Cambridge thing is that you still have to click things in order, so you basically have to search through your memorized images for either a person, action, or object that starts with A, then a PAO that starts with B, etc, but it doesn't take that long at all.

**Reach** · 11-11-2010, 09:04 AM

Very nice. Impressive cube solve.

I'm not familiar with this type of chunking technique specifically, which is funny given I ran a neuroscientific study using memory mnemonics once, but it looks like it would work incredibly well. I've put some time into being able to use the method of loci before, but that's about it.

Ran through the tests a second time ignoring the memory tasks:

I redid Visual Attention and got 272, top 0.1%. I feel like this was essentially a perfect run. Couldn't improve much without guessing to give myself some extra time. Managed to get up to 20/20 difficult on deductive reasoning, and 92 in Planning (Top 0.1%)

11-10-2010, 04:42 PM	#1
Reach FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 7,471	The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science Something fun to stimulate the mind of FFR goers: http://cbstrials.com/Open/Default.aspx?B_ID=279 Welcome to the 12 Pillars of Wisdom. This series of 12 cognitive tasks will test your planning, reasoning, working memory and attentional abilities to the limit. Brought to you by Cambridge Brain Sciences in collaboration with New Scientist and the Discovery Channel. (Takes 20-30 minutes, you can give a fake email) Can post scores if you want: VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - TOP % VERBAL REASONING - TOP % FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP % DEDUCTIVE REASONING - TOP % WORKING MEMORY - TOP % MENTAL ROTATION - TOP % VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP % VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - TOP % PLANNING - TOP % PAIRED ASSOCIATES - TOP % VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - TOP % SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP % __________________

11-10-2010, 04:44 PM	#2
nuclearsamurai huehuehue Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Ithaca, NY Age: 32 Posts: 1,211	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science Hmm. Worth a try. EDIT: Done. VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - 8.0 - TOP 37.3% VERBAL REASONING - 17.0 - TOP 31.6% FOCUSED ATTENTION - 25.0 - TOP 23.8% DEDUCTIVE REASONING - 2.0 - TOP 95.9% (Brother called me out of the house to check what was up with his car during this one, unfortunately.) WORKING MEMORY - 7.0 - TOP 16.9% MENTAL ROTATION - 152.0 - TOP 5.6% VISUAL ATTENTION - 112.0 - TOP 60.8% VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - 9 - TOP 14.0% PLANNING - 44.0 - TOP 4.3% PAIRED ASSOCIATES - 6.0 - TOP 30.2% VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - 28.0 - TOP 76.7% SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY - 10.0 - TOP 14.4% EDIT 2: Good job breaking the test, Rubix. __________________ Last edited by nuclearsamurai; 11-10-2010 at 05:39 PM..

11-10-2010, 05:15 PM	#3
MrRubix FFR Player Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 8,340	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science Did the "memorize square positions and numbers" thing and beat all levels (25 inclusive) without any errors -- then the entire thing just kinda froze on me without progressing from the black screen. Used two different memory systems that I am well-acquainted with -- started out with visual shape paths rotely and switched to PAO method once things started filling in a bit. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

11-10-2010, 06:00 PM	#6
ORBB FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 25	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science Visuospatial working memory strategy - top 37.3% verbal reasoning - top 37.5% focused attention - top 50.0% deductive reasoning - top 74.3% working memory - top 89.4% mental rotation - top 86.0% visual attention - top 26.% verbal working memory - top 93.1% planning - top 73.8% paired associates - top 15.1% visuospatial processing - top 97.6% spatial working memory- top 8.4%

11-10-2010, 06:05 PM	#7
darkshark Nothing. Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The Pacific Ocean Posts: 4,189	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science I completed the test and got pretty horrible results. I'm at work, so I can't give it my full attention, but I did manage to get the top .1% in the Visual Attention and Verbal Working Memory. Visual Attention I just crossed my eye's like looking at a stereogram, let's you see inconsistencies like pie. Verbal Working test I used blocking and got to 16 digits. Worst test was Focused Attention at top 62% Last edited by darkshark; 11-10-2010 at 06:07 PM..

11-10-2010, 06:49 PM	#8
adlp FFR Veteran Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,757	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science hey reach i remember you from your stepfiles way back in the day love em still hows it goin

11-10-2010, 07:14 PM	#9
cry4eternity ~ added for cuteness Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Maryland Age: 31 Posts: 979	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science Hahahaha they asked how much sleep I got. 3 hours. Outlier . I screwed up every other test, basically =/. VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - 10.0 TOP 5.6% VERBAL REASONING - 17.0 TOP 31.6% FOCUSED ATTENTION - 45.0 TOP 10.0% DEDUCTIVE REASONING - 13.0 TOP 24.2% WORKING MEMORY - 8.0 TOP 4.8% MENTAL ROTATION - 59.0 TOP 73.5% VISUAL ATTENTION - 88.0 TOP 82.2% VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - 10.0 TOP 5.7% PLANNING - 11.0 TOP 80.9% PAIRED ASSOCIATES - 8.0 TOP 6.3% VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - 24.0 TOP 81.1% SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY - 13.0 TOP 2.4% __________________ I'm retired

11-10-2010, 09:17 PM	#10
who_cares973 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: :U Age: 35 Posts: 15,407	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY -9.0 TOP % 16.7 VERBAL REASONING -9.0 TOP %78.7 (i could seriously improve this lmao) FOCUSED ATTENTION -33.0 TOP %30.2 (could also improve this) DEDUCTIVE REASONING -9.0 TOP % 58.3 WORKING MEMORY -6 TOP %41.2 (i have a game like this on my phone and i do better when the sequence is given to me faster) MENTAL ROTATION -144 TOP %8.0 VISUAL ATTENTION -196 TOP %2.5 VERBAL WORKING MEMORY -7 TOP %47.9 PLANNING -18 TOP %66.2 (i didnt get what to do at first because i didnt read the directions derp) PAIRED ASSOCIATES -6 TOP %30.2 VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING -43 TOP %56.1 SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY-10 TOP %14.4 this was fun. also thought it was funny how a lot of these tests are games for my phone __________________

11-10-2010, 10:51 PM	#11
esupin FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alphabet City, Manhattan Age: 35 Posts: 1,756	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - TOP 16.7% VERBAL REASONING - TOP 31.6% FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP 28.0% DEDUCTIVE REASONING - TOP 24.2% WORKING MEMORY - TOP 16.9% MENTAL ROTATION - TOP 92.3% (I already knew I sucked at this though) VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP 10.2% (I figured this would be my top) VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - TOP 14.0% PLANNING - TOP 68.4% (also knew I sucked at this beforehand) PAIRED ASSOCIATES - TOP 30.2% VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - TOP 96.1% (I don't think I read the instructions correctly) SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP ???% (there was a server error lol) __________________ http://www.youtube.com/esupin

11-10-2010, 11:35 PM	#12
EnR Massive flaming dildos. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: A-Town, Ontario Age: 31 Posts: 8,431	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - TOP 62.7% 37.3% VERBAL REASONING - TOP 50% 13.4% FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP 95.6% 72% DEDUCTIVE REASONING - TOP 17.9% 49.1% WORKING MEMORY - TOP 41.2% 16.9% MENTAL ROTATION - TOP 2.8% 0.4% VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP 0.3% 20.7% VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - TOP 68% 83.7% PLANNING - TOP 59.5% 62.5% PAIRED ASSOCIATES - TOP 50% 69.8 VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - TOP 60.7% 0.1% SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP 33.7% 22.8% First time: 45.2% average Second time : 37.4% average Wow I'm dumb, I was only good at the rotation and visual attention. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Last edited by EnR; 11-11-2010 at 10:08 AM..

11-10-2010, 11:44 PM	#13
Barq FFR Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 41	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - top 16.7 VERBAL REASONING - TOP 26.2 FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP 16.7 DEDUCTIVE REASONING - TOP 74.4 WORKING MEMORY - TOP 4.8 MENTAL ROTATION - TOP 47.1 VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP 52.2 VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - TOP 68 PLANNING - TOP 22 PAIRED ASSOCIATES - TOP 50 VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - TOP 77.8 SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP 14.4 Out of the 4 memory ones, i did good on 3 of them, but I could have done a lot better on verbal if i did that "chunking" strategy. I've used it before but only for memorizing phone numbers but it wasn't intuitive to me at least. But is memory really any good? what is the use of memory? what good is it? Last edited by Barq; 11-11-2010 at 01:57 AM.. Reason: looking for answers

11-11-2010, 12:53 AM	#14
Iam90 FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 97	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science I need to try a bit harder next time (had law and order on in the background) haha but here we go edit: final results after retake VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - TOP 37.3% VERBAL REASONING - TOP 4.3% FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP 4.4% DEDUCTIVE REASONING - TOP 31.8% WORKING MEMORY - TOP 16.9% MENTAL ROTATION - TOP 0.1% (this is really ironic because I am TERRIBLE at reading maps and doing most directional functions haha) VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP 12.2% VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - TOP 14% (terrible at remembering phone numbers so i'm not surprised) PLANNING - TOP 56.4% PAIRED ASSOCIATES - TOP 0.2% VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - TOP 2.4% SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP 0.2% fun stuff Last edited by Iam90; 11-12-2010 at 02:15 AM..

11-11-2010, 01:05 AM	#15
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - TOP 16.7% FOCUSED ATTENTION - TOP 8.9% WORKING MEMORY - TOP 16.9% MENTAL ROTATION - TOP 1.8% VISUAL ATTENTION - TOP 8.1% only putting the decent ones EDIT: Take two, when I'm not being IM'd by Rawmeat and/or being distracted VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - 11.0; TOP 1.5% VERBAL REASONING - 20.0; TOP 17.0% FOCUSED ATTENTION - 52.0; TOP 4.4% DEDUCTIVE REASONING - 7.0; TOP 74.3% - got 19 in a row correct, then proceeded to get like 12 in a row wrong; why keep subtracting...? WORKING MEMORY - 6.0; TOP 41.2% MENTAL ROTATION - did slightly worse, sticking with top VISUAL ATTENTION - 216.0; TOP 0.7% VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - 9.0; TOP 14.0% PLANNING - 36.0; TOP 13.4% PAIRED ASSOCIATES - 4.0; TOP 69.8% - can't...remember VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - 36.0; TOP 66.4% - yet another one where I was doing great, only to get a ton of them in a row wrong SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- TOP %...site broke? Last edited by TC_Halogen; 11-11-2010 at 01:57 AM..

11-11-2010, 01:56 AM	#17
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 19,376	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science my cussing ruined her scores not joking

11-11-2010, 06:12 AM	#18
Mulie FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Vancouver Age: 35 Posts: 190	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science VISUOSPATIAL WORKING MEMORY STRATEGY - 8.0 - Top 37.3% VERBAL REASONING - 22.0 - TOP 10.3 % FOCUSED ATTENTION - 53.0 - TOP 3.8 % DEDUCTIVE REASONING - 11.0 - TOP 40.2% WORKING MEMORY - 7.0 - TOP 16.9% MENTAL ROTATION - 120.0 - TOP 20.0% VISUAL ATTENTION - 132.0 - TOP 39.2% VERBAL WORKING MEMORY - 11.0 - TOP 2.0% PLANNING - 13.0 - TOP 76.3% PAIRED ASSOCIATES - 4.0 - TOP 69.8% VISUOSPATIAL PROCESSING - 108.0 - TOP 1.2% SPATIAL WORKING MEMORY- 8.0 - TOP 33.7% Woops, noticed I'd put the mean score on _many categories_ when comparing scores. Apparently I suck at organizing my thoughts. No big surprise, but... Last edited by Mulie; 11-11-2010 at 06:21 AM..

11-11-2010, 08:27 AM	#19
MrRubix FFR Player Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: New York City, New York Posts: 8,340	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science Reach: PAO is Person Action Object. You could also probably use a form of the journey method, but PAO worked well for me here. Instead of just memorizing paths, I memorized the numbers in order from upper left to lower right using 0 for my blank spaces. The idea is this: 1 = A 2 = B 3 = C etc, which I felt was appropriate here since the max was 25 (therefore I could use this list up to Y and use 0 for Z). You take things in chunks of three, and associate the first element of the chunk with a person, the second an action, and third an object. For example: 13 2 5 6 21 8 becomes (M B E)(F U H) which is easier to remember as (Mufasa banging an Easteregg) (Frankenstein upchucking on the hotdog) Memorizing two very vivid images is a lot easier than trying to remember 6 numbers -- so you cut down the distinct elements to memorize a third of what you'd normally need, and in a format that is easier to recall. The human brain can only remember so many distinct elements in short-term memory before it starts tripping up. Like you, without heuristics, I'd probably start getting hazy around 10. But using various forms of chunking systems to appeal to other memory structures that are embedded in the long-term memory already makes for an easier approach to handling larger amounts of content. In my blindfold cube solving video from a few years back, I use PAO for permuting the edges (the last fourth of my solve or so). The only tricky part about applying it here to this Cambridge thing is that you still have to click things in order, so you basically have to search through your memorized images for either a person, action, or object that starts with A, then a PAO that starts with B, etc, but it doesn't take that long at all. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

11-11-2010, 09:04 AM	#20
Reach FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Canada Age: 37 Posts: 7,471	Re: The 12 Pillars of Wisdom - Cambridge Brain Science Very nice. Impressive cube solve. I'm not familiar with this type of chunking technique specifically, which is funny given I ran a neuroscientific study using memory mnemonics once, but it looks like it would work incredibly well. I've put some time into being able to use the method of loci before, but that's about it. Ran through the tests a second time ignoring the memory tasks: I redid Visual Attention and got 272, top 0.1%. I feel like this was essentially a perfect run. Couldn't improve much without guessing to give myself some extra time. Managed to get up to 20/20 difficult on deductive reasoning, and 92 in Planning (Top 0.1%) __________________ Last edited by Reach; 11-11-2010 at 09:18 AM..

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