Trivium or JFAC?

[KH Luxord]

Alright,

I am taking a poll on which metal band you like better: Trivium, or Job For A Cowboy.

I personally enjoy Trivium, and totally hate JFAC. Trivium is an awesome band, especially with Pull Harder on the Strings of Your Martyr, while with JFAC, you can't understand a word they are saying because it is more of a growling metal.

Trivium is thrash metal, and has good music to it, and is not really about anger.
While JFAC, is more of an angry metal, the worst death metal band ever.

Also, Trivium is an understandable name for a metal band, but Job for a Cowboy sounds country. But, if you listen to their songs, I can almost guarantee that you will crap in your pants.

So, who do you like?

[Verruckter]

Considering neither is either good nor metal, I'd have to say I hate both.

[Chromer]

Trivium is kick ass but JFAC is horrible. My friend Chris loves them and all he does is go around doing the "RHEE! RHEE!" sound that sounds like a squealing pig. Albeit it's funny as hell, they still suck.

[KH Luxord]

Originally Posted by Verruckter

Considering neither is either good nor metal, I'd have to say I hate both.

Trivium is Thrash Metal you jacka--. And what are you smoking? Trivium is awesome.

Originally Posted by Chromer

Trivium is kick ass but JFAC is horrible. My friend Chris loves them and all he does is go around doing the "RHEE! RHEE!" sound that sounds like a squealing pig. Albeit it's funny as hell, they still suck.

Trivium is awesome. And I assume you voted for them. If you try to listen to Embedded by JFAC, you can't understand a word they are saying. It makes even Darkest Hour look like The Beatles. JFAC is so heavy that you can't understand a word they are saying. They do a whole bunch of growling, at least, that is what it sounds like until the high pitched scream comes.

I tried looking up the lyrics for JFAC, and they had looked like they had no comparison to what they were actually saying...

[Verruckter]

Originally Posted by KH Luxord

Trivium is Thrash Metal you jacka--. And what are you smoking? Trivium is awesome.

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=6795

Melodic metalcore. More "core" than "metal", obviously. Nothing to do with Thrash metal. Just because you copy everything Metallica has done doesn't mean you're part of their legacy.

[BluE_MeaniE]

Originally Posted by Verruckter

http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=6795

Melodic metalcore. More "core" than "metal", obviously. Nothing to do with Thrash metal. Just because you copy everything Metallica has done doesn't mean you're part of their legacy.

Seriously with a capital "serious". I believe the official position at the archives is that they were only accepted for their first EP, also. I could be wrong. But in any case, they're just core-infested.

[Verruckter]

Originally Posted by BluE_MeaniE

I believe the official position at the archives is that they were only accepted for their first EP, also.

Yeah, I remember that statement being there too. Trivium doesn't have many elements of metal.

[lumphoboextreme]

i like trivium.. but i dunno if they're quite metal.

[KH Luxord]

Trivium is metal. They are more of a modern-day Metallica, but they scream a lot more.

[SulferDragon]

Trivium's ok. I've never even heard Job for a Cowboy, but I'm guessing they suck before I even bother to.

I rather listen to As I Lay Dying or something else though, kthxbi.

P.S. You can always try wikipedia, but they are most certainly Metal in some way.

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Trivium, of course.

[KH Luxord]

Originally Posted by SulferDragon

Trivium's ok. I've never even heard Job for a Cowboy, but I'm guessing they suck before I even bother to.

I rather listen to As I Lay Dying or something else though, kthxbi.

P.S. You can always try wikipedia, but they are most certainly Metal in some way.

Wikipedia definitely helps with defining band genres. Yeah, that is how I check what kind of metal a band is.

Go on Project Playlist - Job for a Cowboy and click the play button on Embedded.

First of all, click on the second one for Embedded (the one that says Artist Website), and listen to it from there. JFAC is a death metal band that has a really deep growling sound, with some of a black metal band element in it (high pitched shrieking vocals).

There are many other bands on Project Playlist, but the link that I gave you takes you to Job for a Cowboy's page.

As I Lay Dying isn't my favorite metal band, but they are ok.
As long as it is not death metal (pure) or black metal, I'm fine with it.

Pure Death Metal - Consists of low-pitched growled vocals, with heavily distorted guitars and singing much about death or a new world that comes out of the death of this world.

Black Metal (general) - Consists of high-pitched shrieking vocals, with extremely distorted guitars and bands of this genre are usually made up of one or two people. Black metal usually uses drum machines and guitar/bass machines rather than human drummers/guitarists/bassists. Black metal is different from any other genre because of the Satanic nature of the band and the lyrics. Some black metal bands (3 or more members) have been associated with church burnings, murders, and Satanic vandalism. One-man black metal bands usually are associated with public Satanic worshiping/preaching and arson.

So, don't listen to black metal. Death metal sucks, but it is better than black metal.

The best metal genres are Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Heavy Metal, Metalcore, and Melodic Death Metal (Thrash Metal with distorted guitars).

[Verruckter]

Originally Posted by KH Luxord

Wikipedia definitely helps with defining band genres. Yeah, that is how I check what kind of metal a band is.

Go on Project Playlist - Job for a Cowboy and click the play button on Embedded.

First of all, click on the second one for Embedded (the one that says Artist Website), and listen to it from there. JFAC is a death metal band that has a really deep growling sound, with some of a black metal band element in it (high pitched shrieking vocals).

There are many other bands on Project Playlist, but the link that I gave you takes you to Job for a Cowboy's page.

As I Lay Dying isn't my favorite metal band, but they are ok.
As long as it is not death metal (pure) or black metal, I'm fine with it.

Pure Death Metal - Consists of low-pitched growled vocals, with heavily distorted guitars and singing much about death or a new world that comes out of the death of this world.

Black Metal (general) - Consists of high-pitched shrieking vocals, with extremely distorted guitars and bands of this genre are usually made up of one or two people. Black metal usually uses drum machines and guitar/bass machines rather than human drummers/guitarists/bassists. Black metal is different from any other genre because of the Satanic nature of the band and the lyrics. Some black metal bands (3 or more members) have been associated with church burnings, murders, and Satanic vandalism. One-man black metal bands usually are associated with public Satanic worshiping/preaching and arson.

So, don't listen to black metal. Death metal sucks, but it is better than black metal.

The best metal genres are Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Heavy Metal, Metalcore, and Melodic Death Metal (Thrash Metal with distorted guitars).

Haha, Job for a Cowboy doesn't have anything of black metal. High pitched vocals don't mean much, because not all black metal bands have high pitched vocals.

Also, the Satanic things are just a few bands, really. Not many people have actually gone out and burnt down churches. And I don't see how that defines the genre.

I don't care what you say, Wikipedia is not a reliable source when it comes to music genres.

Again, all three bands you've listed so far are Metalcore over Thrash, death or whatever other genre you called them.

[BluE_MeaniE]

Originally Posted by KH Luxord

Pure Death Metal - Consists of low-pitched growled vocals, with heavily distorted guitars and singing much about death or a new world that comes out of the death of this world.

No. Death metal evolved out of thrash metal. It commonly has low-pitched growls, but that's not a genre-definer--it's just an earmark. Of course the guitars are distorted. And what they sing about is also not a genre-definer. Commonly, their lyrics have anti-Christian or gore themes. But that's just something that's common. I have no idea where you get this idea of a new world that comes out of the death of this world. I mean, what?

Black Metal (general) - Consists of high-pitched shrieking vocals, with extremely distorted guitars and bands of this genre are usually made up of one or two people. Black metal usually uses drum machines and guitar/bass machines rather than human drummers/guitarists/bassists. Black metal is different from any other genre because of the Satanic nature of the band and the lyrics. Some black metal bands (3 or more members) have been associated with church burnings, murders, and Satanic vandalism. One-man black metal bands usually are associated with public Satanic worshiping/preaching and arson.

Once again, the form of vocals doesn't define the genre. Once again, distorted guitars are kind of just obvious. Now, commonly, the production is a lot more trebly and "harsh", and if that's what you mean with extremely distorted guitars, then I can give you that one.

It's true that black metal really did grow out of anti-Christian (Judeo-Christianity, really) sentiments. And it's true it's commonly satanic. But death metal is plenty satanic too. Lots of thrash as well. Satanism itself doesn't separate black metal from other genres as if it's the only genre with satanism.

And where do you get the idea that one-man black metal bands do a lot of preaching?

So, don't listen to black metal. Death metal sucks, but it is better than black metal.

What? I mean, I guess if you had something against satanism or anti-Christianity, sure. But then that would apply to a very large portion of death metal too.

The best metal genres are Thrash Metal, Speed Metal, Heavy Metal, Metalcore, and Melodic Death Metal (Thrash Metal with distorted guitars).

Melodic death metal is thrash metal with distorted guitars? I mean, that just makes no sense.


EDITING: FINDING SOURCES

All right, well, I can't find any great sources right now. There are a few I've found that have some good lists, so I'll look a bit later.

Instead I just want to give a bit on why I think I'm right. It's important to note that these sort of things are objective facts. In other words, it's possible to be wrong. It's not "just an opinion." It's not something totally subjective. Now, don't get me wrong--because of that, it's certainly possible I could be the wrong one. The point is, someone is wrong.

So why do I think what I think is right? There are a couple different kinds of claims here: factual and definitional. The factual ones are easy. "Black metal bands usually have one or two people". Well, either that's true or not. I don't particularly know the answer. But if there are more black metal bands with more members, then there just are.

But note: calling them black metal to begin with is where we come to the definitional claims. What is considered death metal and what is considered black metal, etc., is just a definition. But it's been defined by a consensus of the elite.

They could have been hardly defined at all or in any random off-the-wall way. But they weren't. They also could have been defined by the absolute majority, but they weren't for an important reason: the elite know what the smeg they're talking about. Think about it. You don't define these genres by what the media calls them. They don't know what's going on. Well, guess what? Lots of other people--even fans--don't know what's going on as well.

So essentially, it's important that they're defined this way as much based on reason as possible. And they are.

[AnUnknownDrummer]

I like JFAC more than Trivium, but I could care less as to vote on a poll about it and argue over it.

Originally Posted by SulferDragon

I rather listen to As I Lay Dying or something else though, kthxbi.

Agreed.

[Verruckter]

Originally Posted by KH Luxord

Trivium is metal. They are more of a modern-day Metallica, but they scream a lot more.

No, it's not. It's metalcore. Metal-Archives is the most reliable source for this kind of stuff, definately not wikipedia.

[psychopete]

Both completely suck. Just my opinion. Now excuse me while I go back to listening to Folly.

[DrugstoreCowboy]

i actually like job for a cowboy.

looks like im the only one so far :/


oh well, as long as this doesnt turn into a "omg u suk ***. u liek jfac maor, go die" then this thread is cool with me. But like most threads like this they turn bad. quickly.


EDIT: i also agree with pete. id much rather listen to someone else. a lot of bands are better, but from the two, JFAC is better to me.

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Originally Posted by DrugstoreCowboy

i actually like job for a cowboy.

looks like im the only one so far :/


oh well, as long as this doesnt turn into a "omg u suk ***. u liek jfac maor, go die" then this thread is cool with me. But like most threads like this they turn bad. quickly.


EDIT: i also agree with pete. id much rather listen to someone else. a lot of bands are better, but from the two, JFAC is better to me.

omg u suk ***! u liek jfac maor, go die!!

[KH Luxord]

DRUGSTORE!!! DO WE HAVE TRIVIUM ON THE PERMISSIONS LIST?! I am working on Pull Harder.