12 Days of FFRmas

**runescapedude1126** · 12-31-2012, 08:43 PM

So , I know this is kind of late, but I noticed every song in the 12 songs was extremely difficult, and I don't mean to sound rude, but why do all of the high skill players get the rewards from that event, but none of the newer generation get anything to try with it. There were 12 songs, was it really that hard to give 1 or 2 songs that a new player could sink their teeth into? If it was, then I retract that statement, and even though I can pass the harder songs, I just feel as though the newer players deserved a song as well.

Xx{Midnight}xX · 12-31-2012, 09:08 PM

The answer everyone is going to give you (granted this isn't wrong) is that the easier charts are on reserve for the upcoming official.

But another part of the answer is that a lot of step artists haven't been stepping easier charts (that and or the ones that have been submitted, have not met the judgement standards) so there's a lack of theme in the queue. It wasn't about rewarding the best players, they just used the charts they could spare on hand that they deemed "quality" in an effort to make the event memorable.

The reason people tend not to step easier stuff is cause it gets deemed as "boring" by a lot of people. It sucks but this is how it currently is.

I honestly would love to see another "easy charts" queue with another "easy chart" event to follow it. I think that'd kind of balance it out a smidgen.

**runescapedude1126** · 12-31-2012, 09:14 PM

At least that answer makes some sense, and I appreciate the answer, I just hope the newer players get some sort of new charts coming up

**iironiic** · 12-31-2012, 09:25 PM

Apparently the reason why is to attempt and balance out the difficulty distribution of the files in the engine. Something along the lines of "There were too many easy files for starting players to enjoy, but not enough for more skilled players."

I strongly disagree with this mentality, but the majority of the forum posters agree with it, so unfortunately decisions here are based on what the general population thinks.

The other main reason is pretty much what Middie said: "the easier charts are on reserve for the upcoming official". I disagree with this mentality too because D1 players get bombarded with files rated ~30, which is really difficult for some starting players. The first few rounds should be a AAA or die round in my opinion.

**runescapedude1126** · 12-31-2012, 09:30 PM

I mean, I understand that there are alot of beginner songs, but if you think about it, alot of the beginner songs are from back in the day when songs were not always sync'd properly. So even though there are alot of easy songs, there are also alot of very off sync easy files that end up being much more difficult than intended.

**Ohaider** · 12-31-2012, 09:38 PM

[quote=iironiic;3827139]"There were too many easy files for starting players to enjoy, but not enough for more skilled players."/QUOTE]

i suppose if "easy" are the VC songs, and we're trying to balance the 1238581258 VC songs with 1238581258 guru songs. FFR logic

**psychoangel691** · 12-31-2012, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by iironiic

Apparently the reason why is to attempt and balance out the difficulty distribution of the files in the engine. Something along the lines of "There were too many easy files for starting players to enjoy, but not enough for more skilled players."

I strongly disagree with this mentality, but the majority of the forum posters agree with it, so unfortunately decisions here are based on what the general population thinks.

The other main reason is pretty much what Middie said: "the easier charts are on reserve for the upcoming official". I disagree with this mentality too because D1 players get bombarded with files rated ~30, which is really difficult for some starting players. The first few rounds should be a AAA or die round in my opinion.

For the record I don't start D1 players at 30s (round 5 they hit 30s for me this year)

On the whole more easier files etc I think it's unfair to consider VC down as easier files since that seems to be what's happening.

Edit: I should mention it was decided to use the 12 days of FFRmas to get out all the token files that had been sitting around for some time unreleased. It just so happened they were harder files and it's true people don't step easier charts. I had to ask for more for the tourney because there weren't enough in the batch.

**runescapedude1126** · 12-31-2012, 11:26 PM

It seems like the solution to the problem is just we need more step artists willing to step the easy charts.

**DossarLX ODI** · 12-31-2012, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by runescapedude1126

why do all of the high skill players get the rewards from that event, but none of the newer generation get anything to try with it.

You didn't miss much. Carol of the Bells was my personal favorite and that was Day 1; after that day the stepcharts weren't worth playing again and I would have taken an "easy" file over them

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Originally Posted by runescapedude1126

It seems like the solution to the problem is just we need more step artists willing to step the easy charts.

I stepped an "easier" file last batch and it barely got in. There's the mentality here that if you don't step everything a song has to offer, it's understepped.

**Razor** · 12-31-2012, 11:51 PM

lmfao

Xx{Midnight}xX · 12-31-2012, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

There's the mentality here that if you don't step everything a song has to offer, it's understepped.

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Originally Posted by Razor

lmfao

If the lmfao is to that part of Dossar's post, I have to say I kind of agree with him to a point.

**runescapedude1126** · 01-1-2013, 10:40 PM

I played most of the files, the only one that truly seemed unplayable to me was the games we played full version, due to sync issues.

**popsicle_3000** · 01-2-2013, 06:52 AM

Is that sync issue fixed yet?

**Garquillex** · 01-2-2013, 09:52 AM

I always want to try and step some easier songs, but I never find a song I both A) Like enough to step, and B) I'm okay with wasting its potential as a harder file because very few songs ever get a 2nd version

**dore** · 01-2-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Garquillex

B) I'm okay with wasting its potential as a harder file because very few songs ever get a 2nd version

just say fuck it and make the file cuz there are 3289472347 other songs out there that can make a hard file.

good songs for easy charts is a good thing

**Charu** · 01-2-2013, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by popsicle_3000

Is that sync issue fixed yet?

I don't think there's an easy way to fix it since they pretty much had to break Flash itself to be able to put the file in the game.

My suggestion would be to use Flash 11 on the Velocity engine and put the offset at -5. I'm 99.99% sure that's an absolute way to sync the song correctly without going off sync at all.

Xx{Midnight}xX · 01-2-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Charu

My suggestion would be to use Flash 11 on the Velocity engine and put the offset at -5. I'm 99.99% sure that's an absolute way to sync the song correctly without going off sync at all.

This does work, I played it this way and it works wonderfully.

**JohnRedWolf87** · 01-2-2013, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Garquillex

I always want to try and step some easier songs, but I never find a song I both A) Like enough to step, and B) I'm okay with wasting its potential as a harder file because very few songs ever get a 2nd version

**PrawnSkunk** · 01-2-2013, 04:41 PM

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**JohnRedWolf87** · 01-2-2013, 04:50 PM

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12-31-2012, 09:08 PM	#2
Xx{Midnight}xX FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2007 Age: 31 Posts: 8,548	Re: 12 Days of FFRmas The answer everyone is going to give you (granted this isn't wrong) is that the easier charts are on reserve for the upcoming official. But another part of the answer is that a lot of step artists haven't been stepping easier charts (that and or the ones that have been submitted, have not met the judgement standards) so there's a lack of theme in the queue. It wasn't about rewarding the best players, they just used the charts they could spare on hand that they deemed "quality" in an effort to make the event memorable. The reason people tend not to step easier stuff is cause it gets deemed as "boring" by a lot of people. It sucks but this is how it currently is. I honestly would love to see another "easy charts" queue with another "easy chart" event to follow it. I think that'd kind of balance it out a smidgen. Last edited by Xx{Midnight}xX; 12-31-2012 at 09:12 PM..

12-31-2012, 09:25 PM	#4
iironiic D6 FFR Legacy Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Age: 33 Posts: 4,342	Re: 12 Days of FFRmas Apparently the reason why is to attempt and balance out the difficulty distribution of the files in the engine. Something along the lines of "There were too many easy files for starting players to enjoy, but not enough for more skilled players." I strongly disagree with this mentality, but the majority of the forum posters agree with it, so unfortunately decisions here are based on what the general population thinks. The other main reason is pretty much what Middie said: "the easier charts are on reserve for the upcoming official". I disagree with this mentality too because D1 players get bombarded with files rated ~30, which is really difficult for some starting players. The first few rounds should be a AAA or die round in my opinion.

12-31-2012, 09:38 PM	#6
Ohaider FFR Veteran Join Date: Jun 2012 Age: 28 Posts: 2,893	Re: 12 Days of FFRmas [quote=iironiic;3827139]"There were too many easy files for starting players to enjoy, but not enough for more skilled players."/QUOTE] i suppose if "easy" are the VC songs, and we're trying to balance the 1238581258 VC songs with 1238581258 guru songs. FFR logic

01-2-2013, 09:52 AM	#14
Garquillex FFR Veteran Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Massachusetts Age: 33 Posts: 965	Re: 12 Days of FFRmas I always want to try and step some easier songs, but I never find a song I both A) Like enough to step, and B) I'm okay with wasting its potential as a harder file because very few songs ever get a 2nd version __________________

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