Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

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  • Reach
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    • Jun 2003
    • 7471

    #31
    Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

    If it were possible, people would be clamoring to get it done faster.
    This stuck me as udderly false and illogical.

    Can I even begin to list of the implications of making someone immortal? The problems that would immediately arise, both moral, political, interpersonal, economical? Who's going to fund this research when there are more immediate things that can be developed? Who's going to fund it when the majority of the politcal party would be against it in the first place?

    I don't even think right now, if we were able to immortalize ourselves it would even take off. It would be burried as fast as it rose. Cloning, anyone?

    For example... Water as a fuel? I was reading some more information on it and a lot of people have been getting into it, it's definitely possible to run a motor on water.

    Will it take off? Hah, I doubt it. Can you imagine how many money making fiends would go bankrupt? I mean, politics here. It'll never happen, atleast, not quickly. It will slowly emerge into the system as it HAS to, not because it can.


    We can go to Mars. Hell, I'd say if we had to, 3 years. But we don't have to, which is why it will be prolonged as long as possible. The russians already said it would be possible in like 2 years as I recall, yet we probably won't put men on it untill 2040.


    I wouldn't expect anyone to seriously start investing in developing something to make us immortal <_>


    It'll come anyway. Just not in the way we think it'll come.

    Immortality won't be a pill. It won't be cloning. It won't be anything like that. It'll be artificial intelligence ;o Assuming, which it should be, that it is possible to create something more intelligent and efficient than ourselves I don't see why it wouldn't begin to integrate into us and eventually replace us. Organs will begin to be replaced. People will start genetically modifying children. Artificial modifications to organs and body parts will begin to replace real ones ( pace maker is just the beginning ^_^)...and from there it will only continue.

    Not like it's going to happen fast, but to me, it seems inevitable... unless it is impossible, but I doubt it. If completely natural processes eventually formed our brain, then it is possible to create one of equal or greater intelligence (much greater once we figure out how to replicate 'conciousness')...though I mean, if I was to guess we won't be artificial beings untill like, closer to 12000 AD maybe.
    Last edited by Reach; 08-5-2006, 08:53 PM.

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    • talisman
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      • May 2003
      • 4598

      #32
      Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

      so how long could you keep someone in a coma alive? I feel like one could do it for quite some time.

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      • church_pk
        FFR Player
        • Dec 2005
        • 2575

        #33
        Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

        Well, according to Wikipedia, the longest period of time spent in a coma was by Elaine Esposito. She never woke up after being anaesthetized for an appendectomy on August 6, 1941, when age 6. She died on November 26, 1978 at age 43 years 357 days, having been in a coma for 37 years 111 days.

        Comas generally last a few days to a few weeks, and rarely last more than 2 to 4 weeks. After this time, some patients gradually come out of the coma, some progress to a vegetative state, and others die. Many patients who have gone into a vegetative state go on to regain a degree of awareness. Others may remain in a vegetative state for years or even decades. Predicted chances of recovery are variable due to different techniques used to measure the extent of neurological damage. The most common cause of death for a person in a vegetative state is secondary infection such as pneumonia which can occur in patients who lie still for extended periods.

        However this is more or less off topic, and we should try to stick to the subject.
        Last edited by church_pk; 08-5-2006, 08:09 PM.
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        • aperson
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          • Jul 2003
          • 3431

          #34
          Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

          Kilga wanted me to respond in this thread but I gotta admit, this is a pretty stupid discussion.


          Carry along kids.

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          • The_IT
            FFR Player
            • Oct 2005
            • 12

            #35
            Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

            Did not a single person even look at my contribution to the discussion? I delt with all of the major issues that are being unneededly rehashed, and hence making the conversation after my post irrelevent. Not to sound self conceted or anything like that, but seriously. Forums are here for all of us to learn from all of us around and inside this community. Not to bypass others who have something to say.
            I am Arcanis the Omnipotent! Those of you who don't know who he is are not worthy of my time.

            I have been a member since December of 2003. Seriously. Over 5000 games played in that time, and a grand total of 1000th or so place to show for it. Bwa!

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            • Iam_a_Maid
              FFR Player
              • Jul 2006
              • 89

              #36
              Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

              Originally posted by The_IT
              Did not a single person even look at my contribution to the discussion? I delt with all of the major issues that are being unneededly rehashed, and hence making the conversation after my post irrelevent. Not to sound self conceted or anything like that, but seriously. Forums are here for all of us to learn from all of us around and inside this community. Not to bypass others who have something to say.
              Well, you used words such as 2 billion, "gaurentee" and anyone. I thought ignoring that was the best possible course of action.

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              • The_IT
                FFR Player
                • Oct 2005
                • 12

                #37
                Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

                Originally posted by Iam_a_Maid
                Well, you used words such as 2 billion, "gaurentee" and anyone. I thought ignoring that was the best possible course of action.
                Sorry, I haven't built up much of a reputation here yet, even though I've been around since 2003. When I post, I mean it to be taken seriously. I don't joke around. Now, the figures I mentioned are indeed high, but I hope you understand the fact that the technology to which I am refering is quite expensive, and is very difficult to obtain. I have no doubts on if the thing will work or not, only that there is a certain dollar figure in the way.
                I am Arcanis the Omnipotent! Those of you who don't know who he is are not worthy of my time.

                I have been a member since December of 2003. Seriously. Over 5000 games played in that time, and a grand total of 1000th or so place to show for it. Bwa!

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                • Patashu
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                  • Apr 2006
                  • 8609

                  #38
                  Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

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                  • gerbi7
                    FFR Player
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 276

                    #39
                    Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

                    Originally posted by GuidoHunter
                    The onus is still on you and church, maid, to provide one iota of evidence that we could live forever or at least significantly beyond a human's life expectancy.

                    Until then, this thread is practically worthless.

                    --Guido

                    http://andy.mikee385.com
                    I seriously doubt it's possible either.

                    Natural selection did not make us to live forever, but for people less able to survive to die, and for the more able to survive people to live.

                    We've already gotten into problems with trying to go against natural selection. 10% of europeans have a natural resistence to aids. If the rest of the 90% died from aids, then there would be no aids problem in europeans.

                    Immortality isn't going to work, because we're simply not made for it.
                    Squirrels are evil.

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                    • Hr2
                      FFR Player
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 2350

                      #40
                      Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

                      We have not had any opportunites to discover what happens to the brain when it reaches very old ages, even saying it is plausible to live to 200 years old at the moment would be a foolish statement. We might be able to stop our body from deteriorating in the near future, but we still have no idea about the brain.

                      I'll tell you a story, I have a cousin who got a very serious concussion. After his concussion, he started getting headaches, all the time. He went to his doctor and asked him if he had any way to stop it, he didn't. Medicine didn't help it. He waited for months in line to get opinions from doctors at top hospitals (I forget where he went, but I remember it being somewhere famous) he went in and did some tests, and they said "Well, we don't really know much about the brain, we can't help you at all, wait 2 or 3 years and it'll probably stop", they were right, after a few years the headaches stopped. But this just shows how little we know about our brains. Thinking we are on the verge of being able to stop them from deteriorating all together is silly.

                      Cave men died of natural causes before they could get sick enough to die.
                      People in the middle ages died of plagues before they could get cancer and heart disease.
                      People today die of cancer, heart disease, or organ deterioration before their brain deteriorates enough to kill them.

                      Don't take those statements literally, I'm just saying we have to take this in steps. We don't even know what kind of problems a 120 year old brain might face let alone a 1000 year old.

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                      • deltro300111
                        FFR Player
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 1014

                        #41
                        Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

                        All the estimates I've read top out at a life expectancy 50 years higher than what it is now- when our (Generation Y?) generation is grown.

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                        • Hr2
                          FFR Player
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 2350

                          #42
                          Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

                          When I was in Canada just a few days ago my relatives were like

                          "you want to be a doctor, study geriatrics and help us "

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                          • zippaduder50000
                            FFR Player
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 18

                            #43
                            Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

                            goodbye procreation. Hello contraceptives!

                            And by live forever, do you mean like "god" mode??? or live forever as long as you don't get seriously injured, lose an immense amount of blood, etc..?

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                            • GuidoHunter
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                              • Oct 2003
                              • 7371

                              #44
                              Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

                              Originally posted by deltro300111
                              All the estimates I've read top out at a life expectancy 50 years higher than what it is now- when our (Generation Y?) generation is grown.
                              That's cute because of how absurd it is. You do realize that you're suggesting that our life span will soon be around 120 years, right? Sorry, but no amount of medicine can prevent the deterioration of the human body.

                              I call BS on your estimates.

                              --Guido


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                              • The_IT
                                FFR Player
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 12

                                #45
                                Re: Clinical immortality- Do you want to live forever?

                                Originally posted by GuidoHunter
                                That's cute because of how absurd it is. You do realize that you're suggesting that our life span will soon be around 120 years, right? Sorry, but no amount of medicine can prevent the deterioration of the human body.

                                I call BS on your estimates.

                                --Guido

                                http://andy.mikee385.com
                                You ought to keep in mind that in the Middle Ages the average life expectancy was in and about 30 years. Now, when you take into consideration that the human race does not like to double it's capacity in the same amount of time, and that it likes to do things exponentally instead, you can start to see where he's coming from, though it would break the pattern after that point in time....
                                I am Arcanis the Omnipotent! Those of you who don't know who he is are not worthy of my time.

                                I have been a member since December of 2003. Seriously. Over 5000 games played in that time, and a grand total of 1000th or so place to show for it. Bwa!

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