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  • jh05013
    oh hi
    Event Staff
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Nov 2013
    • 291

    #511
    Re: Permissions List and Information v8

    After reading this dozen of times, I've finally figured it out...

    We have an FFR permission to use hololive original songs (not covers) except the ones listed in the appendix of the Derivative Works Guidelines.


    Rhythm game charts are generally considered derivative works. Even with the guideline's definition, charting is definitely a creative endeavor so I'd say they count.

    The part of the text that stumped me the most was the following in the "Guidelines for Use of Music" section:

    We allow covers, adaptations, and remixes of applicable music (hereinafter to be referred to as “covers” for covers, or “musical derivative works” for adaptations and remixes).

    * We consider derivative works to be creations born of fans’ ideas and creativity, based on our music. Therefore, we do not consider the reproduction of our music as is, or with modifications lacking creative input, to be classified as derivative works. Such use does not fall within the scope of the music or overall guidelines.
    which does not seem to include charts.

    However, this is in fact a slight mistranslation and the Japanese (original) text says (emphasis mine):

    対象楽曲については、カバーソングとしての「歌ってみた」や、対象楽曲を翻案しリミックス等の二次的著作物(以下、対象楽曲を利用した「歌ってみた」またはリミックス等の作品を「二次的楽曲著作物」とします)を制作することができます。
    ※二次創作とは、当社楽曲に依拠しつつも、皆様の創意工夫・アイデアによって生み出される創作活動であると、当社は考えます。そのため、当社楽曲をそのまま複製したもの、改変に創作性の欠けるものは二次創作に該当せず音楽利用ガイドライン及び全般ガイドラインの対象外となります。
    which permits all kinds of derivative works; the bolded "等の二次的著作物" translates to "derivative works such as ..." and "等の作品" to "works such as ..."


    I think this link is the list of original songs.
    Last edited by jh05013; 02-25-2024, 08:55 AM. Reason: added song list link
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    • rayword45
      Local Teenage Wastebasket
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Feb 2007
      • 3212

      #512
      Re: Permissions List and Information v8



      Obtained permissions for Godcaster. Need to learn how to dump bc I want Diamond's Shining Face and/or Gut Sink Moan in this game
      Last edited by rayword45; 04-5-2024, 10:20 AM.
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      • Elite Ninja
        Kawaii Desu
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        FFR Simfile Author
        • Mar 2007
        • 4828

        #513
        Re: Permissions List and Information v8

        So the other day I ran into a cool song from this artist that I saw we did not have perms for in the sheet so I went to try and grab full blanket perms and I only realized later it's the same artist that made Koneko's Cafe that was featured in Stepcon 2022 lol.

        Well now we have full blanket permission for Cynax! Highly suggest checking them out and getting more of their stuff in-game :3 (I might be looking to step Mafu as a heads-up)

        Cynax Links
        Soundcloud
        Newgrounds
        Spotify
        Bandcamp
        Twitter
        Youtube


        Last edited by Elite Ninja; 04-11-2024, 07:52 AM.
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        • Hairy Cabbage
          FFR Simfile Author
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Jun 2007
          • 167

          #514
          Re: Permissions List and Information v8

          I reached out to the label 'Gemeinschaft Of Hardcore' earlier today and they got back to me with the following message

          Response:


          I popped it into google translate:
          Hello Jonathan

          Thank you for contacting us.

          If you wish to use songs from Gemeinschaft of Hardcore, you will need to pay 11,000 yen (tax included) for each song.
          This is the label's song copyright management fee and song usage fee, regardless of the price of the game itself or the billing method.
          Labels do not allow free use of songs for any reason.
          If you wish to use music, we will ask you to present the music you wish to use, and once we have confirmed it, we will send you a contract.

          Thank you.

          Matsui

          I assume for the purposes of the permissions spreadsheet this one can unfortunately go down as rejected. Shame because they have a whole lot of bangers...
          Last edited by Hairy Cabbage; 04-13-2024, 07:24 PM.

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          • jh05013
            oh hi
            Event Staff
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Nov 2013
            • 291

            #515
            Re: Permissions List and Information v8

            Nankumo (formerly knot / kakyo) gave blanket permission back in 2010, as seen in several of their comment replies from the archived blog.

            For example:

            楽曲に関しては自由にお使いいただいて構いません。
            むしろ使っていただいて光栄です。
            使用報告に関しても、利用者の方にお任せしています。
            あると嬉しいですが、無断使用でも特に気にしていません。
            動画として配布していただいても問題無いです。
            which mentions that their songs are free to use, and they don't really care even if used without inquiry.

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            Last edited by jh05013; 04-14-2024, 09:21 AM.
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            • XelNya
              [Kaho]
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Sep 2012
              • 3369

              #516
              Re: Permissions List and Information v8

              Originally posted by jh05013
              After reading this dozen of times, I've finally figured it out...

              We have an FFR permission to use hololive original songs (not covers) except the ones listed in the appendix of the Derivative Works Guidelines.


              Rhythm game charts are generally considered derivative works. Even with the guideline's definition, charting is definitely a creative endeavor so I'd say they count.

              The part of the text that stumped me the most was the following in the "Guidelines for Use of Music" section:



              which does not seem to include charts.

              However, this is in fact a slight mistranslation and the Japanese (original) text says (emphasis mine):



              which permits all kinds of derivative works; the bolded "等の二次的著作物" translates to "derivative works such as ..." and "等の作品" to "works such as ..."


              I think this link is the list of original songs.
              I'm considering taking advantage of this, and because I checked the spread sheet and wanna be sure, would staff here consider this acceptable? It hasn't been added yet.

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              • gold stinger
                Signature Extraordinare~~
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                Game Manager
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Music Producer
                • Jan 2007
                • 6428

                #517
                Re: Permissions List and Information v8

                Originally posted by XelNya
                I'm considering taking advantage of this, and because I checked the spread sheet and wanna be sure, would staff here consider this acceptable? It hasn't been added yet.
                A summarization of what that jibble-jabble is, is "Yes, you can use our originals but only as derivative works. Covers and Remixes from us are not considered originals and cannot be used".
                Originally posted by YoshL
                butts.


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                • rayword45
                  Local Teenage Wastebasket
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 3212

                  #518
                  Re: Permissions List and Information v8



                  I thought i already posted this but Dog Fashion Disco permissions

                  They didn't specify this but I would NOT recommend stepping anything from Adultery (sadly their best album) because Rotten Records doesn't fuck around, I'm positive that the live re-recordings of that are good though since those were largely released because Rotten fucking sucks for artists too.
                  Last edited by rayword45; 04-16-2024, 07:28 AM.
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                  • XelNya
                    [Kaho]
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 3369

                    #519
                    Re: Permissions List and Information v8

                    Originally posted by gold stinger
                    A summarization of what that jibble-jabble is, is "Yes, you can use our originals but only as derivative works. Covers and Remixes from us are not considered originals and cannot be used".
                    I was more asking if the site considered that an acceptable permission use, I knew we've done stuff like that through cc on say ocr remix, but it occurs to me we use Riot Games work in the same way, so my question was really pointless / already answered lol

                    Thank you regardless though

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                    • NotSpiralingEnough
                      Minijacks Do Not Exist
                      • Aug 2021
                      • 160

                      #520
                      Re: Permissions List and Information v8

                      Blanket permissions from JUST01. (also goes by "dytract" on discord)

                      Focuses on mid-2000s ambient drum & bass/wave.

                      Her music/socials can be found here (most of her music is on soundcloud):
                      Soundcloud
                      Bandcamp
                      Spotify
                      Twitter

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                      • E-B-E
                        D7 Elite Keymasher
                        • May 2022
                        • 47

                        #521
                        Re: Permissions List and Information v8

                        Permission obtained for fur:trash AKA coltrane and DJ Pink Pony
                        Proof:


                        Socials:
                        SoundCloud
                        2nd Account archive
                        Bandcamp
                        Spotify
                        Twitter
                        YouTube
                        Last edited by E-B-E; 07-11-2024, 11:20 AM.

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                        • gold stinger
                          Signature Extraordinare~~
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                          FFR Music Producer
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 6428

                          #522
                          Re: Permissions List and Information v8

                          heads up that hyperlinking Discord URL's for your proof no longer works, as Discord will delete the hosting and link for your image within 24 hours now. Save it elsewhere, like imgur or another place using ShareX if posting in-thread, or DM it to me directly on Discord and I can handle it.
                          Originally posted by YoshL
                          butts.


                          - Tosh 2014






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                          • Keynami
                            FFR Player
                            • Jul 2024
                            • 1

                            #523
                            Re: Permissions List and Information v8

                            Hey!! My name is Keynami. I allow all of my music to be used in this game!! Feel free to do whatever with my music, just make sure to DM me on discord: keynami

                            My music:
                            Soundcloud - keynami (soundcloud.com/keynami)

                            I have no label and I am a independent artist

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                            • EppuJoloZ
                              Resident Goat
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                              FFR Music Producer
                              • Oct 2017
                              • 287

                              #524
                              Re: Permissions List and Information v8


                              gotta love that "Yes"

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                              • EppuJoloZ
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                                FFR Music Producer
                                • Oct 2017
                                • 287

                                #525
                                Re: Permissions List and Information v8

                                Blanket permission for removeface, obtained by myself and Lights! | SoundCloud
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                                ㅤㅤ
                                Originally posted by rayword45
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                                Originally posted by Dinglesberry
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