ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

[SubaruPoptart]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

@Celirra

this cross-thread thing + ootc makes this game so fucking hard to catch up with

can we maybe organize some kind of system for cross-thread chat? I don't think we need a constant stream of conversation, maybe make posts more meaningful and limit to only dire situations. Otherwise it's actually worse than shitposting for 20 pages, because you have to flip through and check the timing between posts constantly.

Unfortunately I think that's how this game is supposed to work. There's not much that can go on over here so we kinda have to communicate with y'all over there for the time being until more people come over here.

I will say y'all should be getting the quote for what you're gonna respond to alongside the @ kinda thing like I been doing to reduce confusion.

[SubaruPoptart]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

@Celirra

One thing to ask, about wolf faction killing;

do they choose between game 1 or game 2? or do the wolves in game 1 choose game 1 kill, and wolves in game 2 choose game 2 kill?

cause if so, that's a good way to tell if there's a wolf in game 2. Like that game mastermind, almost.

I think what happens in game 2 stays in game 2 when it comes to votes. Likewise with Game 1. The "status" of the game like in the OP over here indicates what faction's in the game. "Mafia or Wolves have lost" for example indicates there's most likely all townies for reasons I can't quite elaborate much into due to it being kinda complicated; I'd say iso DaBackpack's stuff for a better glimpse in how we think all that works.

[SubaruPoptart]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

We're pretty sure there's no wolves in this game, anyway. We just have to infolynch over here.

[gold stinger]

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@ShadowGod

@Charu

If you have him in your scum pile, why would you say you're retracting your statement? Wouldn't you WANT us to do this?

I retracted statement that they were the best choice for lynch, not that they're scum. My best choice at the moment is Charu. Read the context.

I'm going to keep on disputing that knowing someone's role because they told me without asking does not make me a "suspicious" individual.

That doesn't make you suspicious, the fact that they died n0 after they told you that information, does make it suspicious. Any wolf in that position would kill off the PR role after hearing that. Any town would've shrugged it off, and saying that the kill was based off their '1 post to maintain PR power' when you've meme'd the same way about it is kind of a cop-out of an answer.

[gold stinger]

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@Charu

That doesn't make you suspicious, the fact that they died n0 after they told you that information, does make it suspicious. Any wolf in that position would kill off the PR role after hearing that. Any town would've shrugged it off, and saying that the kill was based off their '1 post to maintain PR power' when you've meme'd the same way about it is kind of a cop-out of an answer.

It also doesn't help that pre-eod d0 I had both scum reads on Benguin & Haku, and you're directly on top of where they are in that vote wagon for Logman.

[the sun fan]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

star-crossed has replaced Logman6656 effective immediately.

[star-crossed]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

Hey everybody! I have read Day 0, and skimmed through Day 1. As an outsider, I did not actually pick up on the fact that there were any neighbors, and so that is something I am needing to adjust to with my thought processes. Because normally, a difference between town and wolves is the access that they have to a sounding board in terms of wolf chat. (Reuben, and kind of Haku and Subaru, were mainly who that came up with.)

I am surprised that I have not really seen much discussion of what was going on end of day yesterday. I do understand that the lack of flips is somewhat demoralizing and that mechanically this game is a total cluster, but still. If there has been more chat of that in the main discord or elsewhere, I would appreciate if somebody would quote it for me. I will make time to do my own analysis as well. Personally, I do not know as much about mystery games on FFR as many of you, and so I think where I can help most is focusing more on actual TWG.

Please feel free to DM me if you are awake, I am on a very different schedule than many of you so I do not want to be messaging people while they are asleep. I personally do not mind if you leave me a message on there for later, but I just do not want to annoy anybody who that is not the case for.

[star-crossed]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

DaBackpack's messages has stuck out to me a lot in general for some reason (maybe because half of you eejits look like a duck. Please stop.)

I remember MML having a really strong opinion on lynching inactive. I don't remember which side he was on, but I remember eventually coming around to his opinion and using it as a policy

I find this post very random, but I feel like it makes slightly less sense to say it as a wolf.

this post is so aggressively useless that I have a hard time thinking someone in a wolf mindset would let himself press the submit button after he wrote it

I had a similar thought to this, about Ben.

roundbox scum alert 📢

DBP seemed pretty negative about roundbox early on, like here, but that doesn't progress as naturally as his other leans seem to later on, in my opinion. I am wondering if there is context to that that I have missed?

this is a wolfy post from goldstinger

"i will probably swap to 0-poster before eod"

it's so easy and convenient to post this a few hours before EOD. it reads like he is giving himself cover to make a lazy, safe play just in case things get spicy.

I understand wanting to vote off a low poster. But to announce "ladies and gentlemen, I am broadcasting that I will do this one thing, so don't get mad at me if I end up actually doing it"

is really suspicious

I agree in that I think the better tactic is to question and try to get lower posters involved, rather than broadcasting to everybody that you will probably vote solely on post count numbers, because wolves can use that against you.

hey there, it looks like funky responded to your vote. and I know you've seen it, because you've shifted your attention to another lowposter.

did funky's response satisfy you? is there anything in his response worth probing? because you've basically ignored his response, despite the fact that you asked him specific, pointed questions.

I really liked this line of questioning.

Freezin initiated it, generally feels town
choof is maximum town this game, prolly top townread
plop is null
I had lewdy as town a while, but his reaction to ben felt really forced and exaggerated, as if to justify his decision to join a burgeoning wagon

I am more worried about plop as a wolf, especially given my feeling of the game state, than I am of Lewdy as a wolf personally.

Charu, why did you post an exhaustive character list without any scumleans???????

super useless, why even post something like that?

And this line of questioning to Charu seems genuinely incredulous, like he has absolutely no idea what to do with it, as opposed to looking for ammo against Charu. Which, I guess if DBP is a wolf he already figured out other people to really push, but still.

I was wondering "why is this so hard?" but remembered there are 26 fucking players

if we assume some ratio that sunfan usually uses, (1/4? 1/3?)

that makes like SIX to EIGHT ANTITOWN????????

This post sounds pretty genuine emotionally, to me. It is definitely a more natural thought process to be having as a town, and I think DBP is a little worse at faking emotion besides frustration, compared to logic.

im pretty sure that Ben and Lewdy are diametrically opposed. highly doubt t/t here.

ben feels like someone being set up because of lack of posting opportunity. Which leaves lewdy, who left an absolutely disgusting post voting Ben, where he just sheeps other peoples points

I think Ben has better odds of being a wolf. I can kind of see where you are getting this dichotomy, just based from your focus on Lewdy's interaction with Ben, but I am not understanding your level of conviction unless I am missing something? I am actually hoping that I can use OOTC, to be able to figure out Ben better, though I know there is limited time.

you fucking idiots

get off kappa and haku

Do you have a strong lean on either of them, or is this more an expression of dislike of the sudden change?

[star-crossed]

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@star-crossed

Welcome to the game. Any luck finding town reads on your side with fresh eyes ?

By my side I am assuming that you mean the other 3 in this thread. I feel that the information that a win condition between town and mafias would have been met here, carries much more weight than my day 0 leans. I have less than you would expect in terms of messages that aren't public. I unfortunately think it is very likely we are all town, so I was planning to focus most of my energy on analyzing the other thread for now.

[star-crossed]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

@Kappa123

i didnt think reuben was "stuck" on the graph. You seemed very aggressive with your post about it, which I think is a little weird, in terms of just let him get his thoughts out.

What are your general thoughts on choof? Just not clear to me, how much weight you are putting on him seeming aggro.

I dont mind it, people think hes being oblivious and missing some other points. tunneling on the graph or chart is just beating a dead horse when we dont have any information yet, we can speculate all we want and thats been done.

My closing opinion is its kind of weird, that he talked about the graph/chart thing the most. but ultimately, I dont think it is deserving of vote at this point, unless i guess nothing else feels right.

I think it is a bit sus to repeatedly describe stuff as "weird." Unless you can connect "weird" to why a wolf is more likely to say it, it can be an easy way to pick at surface level stuff. I understand that early d0 was unusually useless info wise, but still.

is it that strong of a read tho, like sure inactives dont help the game, I dont like people who dont give information, the shit post war between storn and everyone else is dumb. but is it worth a vote right now? I dont think so.

allthough i dont have a good alternative right now, id vote logman/spongebob over TWGma right now

Which post of T-force's do you think tells you the most about him or the game and why?
I am struggling to get the mindset behind this post. It does not really sound to me like you think Bugkid is sus (correct me if I am wrong), in which case I am not really sure why you are criticizing a single vote, particularly since you have not given a reason to like T-Force? It just feels like you are playing devil's advocate dispassionately.

diffrent startegy now, i guess. my wall of post tryhard game never worked that well anyway. Also lots of things have changed in my life since 1+ years ago. so idk diffrent me i guess.

I can understand this, but I miss your old style, it seemed you wore your heart on your sleeve more then.

I have a few spicy takes, right now im not going to say right now, but next day im going to start questioning my wolve reads, as for right now, idk poptart is being super wierd posting this much i have never ever seen this from them, storn pisses me off, and haku was scum baiting so hard earlier.

It's next day, can I get the spicy takes now? Haha.
Would you explain the Haku piece too?

but like ben looks town to me,

If you are right and Ben is town, what does hanging him achieve? I am trying to understand why that seemed better to pursue to you, than Subaru or other options. If you have already explained this somewhere else I cannot access, feel free to just quote it.

I dont really know what to do, I dont even know what the goal is anymore, with no information on flips its hard to go forward. I feel like the only thing to do is wait, but waiting doesnt make sense, this feels like d -1 we devolved into something worse somehow.

Lmao, I am sorry you feel that way. I do think that this game is unprecedented, but I do think right now is still an opportunity to create information that will be useful later, and that there is definitely more to go on than d0.

im not very confident in my reads anymore, i dont know what to do, the haku train doesnt make sense,

I understand the votes on me, but staying on me doesnt make sense,

a few people threw their vote away.


I think we should look at the neighbor thing when people are killed and question the neighbor since we kind of know who they are.

This is what I think discussion should be more focused on, and where I probably want to pick up when I return.

[gold stinger]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

Hey, I'm here, I'm in-thread, I'm ready to vote if needed (assuming the other game needs at least between now and eod to process the cardflip because of straggling activity this phase)

[gold stinger]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

Just reading through/catching up with the other game thread in the meantime

[gold stinger]

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@reuben_tate

Maybe I'm dumb or maybe my memory is bad, but can you elaborate on what you mean by this? Maybe it might help me understand better if you phrase it as "If subaru flips green, then it's very likely that X is true. Otherwise, it's likely that Y."

Yeah, of course.

If you check who voted in what order on Logman (now star-crossed), it's:
Haku - Charu - Ben (You) - FG - funkywong.

I have a scumread on Haku for being 2nd vote on a lot of different attempted wagons in their own words/posts for d0, to 'try and get something started' on them. They were initially on storn, then tried TWGma, and I even asked 'why the TWGma vote' and got no response.

I have a scumread on Charu because of conversation with blind end of night OOTC and then dying immediately after. You can read back a lot of the back-n-forth convo I had this day phase regarding that.

And I have a smaller, slighter scumread on you for dying in the same fashion, since I felt like I may have been a little hard on you in OOTC to try and get a team-like thing working that could benefit town for our neighborhood and the single cusp in it was just killing me off right away so you wouldn't have to put up with it. It's kind of a tunneling point admittedly, but I also didn't like your posts from d0 and I still think a lot of your posts from the first half of d1 contain a lot of fluff or talk for the purpose of talking rather than solving or attempting to worldbuild from your point of view, form reads, theorize teams etc.


Given all of that, my first choice is Subaru because that's, in my point of view, a lot of scum stacked on what would be a town. I'm pretty convinced that everyone here is town, and so is pretty much everyone else here in this game. Can flip Logman (star-crossed) as my 2nd choice for the infolynch to verify, I'm just spouting from my world perspective is all.

[gold stinger]

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@123kappa3

The ben thing was mainly about a flip, if ben was town I think lewdy looks a lot worse,

I will say, and this is unrelated to the shiz between me & Benguin this phase, that lewdy is probably town in my reads, and his play this round strengthens that.

He's usually more reserved as wolf; double/triple-thinks posts before they go out. I haven't really seen any of that this game.

[gold stinger]

Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

star-crossed Gives the most general information across everyone's games rather than one person's game. With blind being PR, and Subaru being a ??? that's most likely town, this is where my vote will be.

We should probably try to resolve this somewhat soon, I imagine the main game thread will need at least like 6-ish hours maybe to process this, because apparently some people don't even bother to look at this game thread.