TWG 194 - Game Thread

[MixMasterLar]

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So Mikey, Haku, Dusk, and Bolth. Two of jessiebessie, ShadoWolfe, and MixMasterLar would have to be scum if DBP is scum. If Mikey's checks are true, that would leave DBP, Shadow, and jessie as the most likely scum team. The question is are these three compatible as partners?

Shadow and Jessie have a very low amount of interactions so they pair up with almost anyone.

Actually Jessie is who I need to see more of, she needs to start taking hard stances on issues and make effort.

[MixMasterLar]

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I'm starting to question my unfunded gut read of Haku

I don't know how to particularly solve him.

[leetic]

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Right now I'm digging up things from jessiebessie's end to see if she is a potential member of the scumteam.

I’m interested to hear what Xiz has to say to defend themselves. I agree that we will learn a lot about DBP if we pay attention to how Xiz v DBP plays out.

This was during D1, well before any of the drama regarding Xiz being a vig. This is more of an offhand remark, considering it is a reply to Mikey discussing the same thing, so it doesn't really tell me anything.

So Xiz’s response to DBP’s accusation was sarcasm?

@Xiz if you’re town and someone is accusing you of not being town-aligned, I don’t think sarcasm is the route to take to help town solve the game. You’re just making us all more confused by not directly addressing DBP’s point. It would help if you replied with a more substantial response plz.

Acting as a backup for DBP here. I don't really think that's something that a partner would do, so some points against being teamed here.

I notice a lot of her posts last day were shading Haku, MML, and Bolth, and most of her D1 interactions are with people who have flipped town. Just something interesting.

Okay, looking through her ISO, she doesn't interact with Ulle/Shado at all, she barely interacts with DBP, I see a lot of minor pushes on users but not really committing to anything, and she isn't even commenting on some important thread events. jessiebessie reads like a scum who is comfortable with the direction the thread is heading in and is content to let town destroy themselves.

[flashflash account]

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If you have a recheck on someone fucking hardclaim?

If you don't stop wasting time on a DBP lynch

but wine

[flashflash account]

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saying that he was likely a wolf but not taking a hard stance towards lynching him until it became opportunistic for him to do so.

I get that you have a lot to do but this just isn't true
I wanted to lynch xiz day 1, stopped when they claimed PR, and stopped again yesterday when I realized we literally didn't have to lynch the slot to resolve it

[leetic]

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I think so!

Ulleabhara committed to the DBP town read.

Sure thing.

Xiz

I think 517 is a misrep (Backpack specifically explained why it was important) and 534 is one of the lamest excuses for not giving your own angle I've ever seen. Even if you think it's useless to sway Hakulyte, why rebuff an opportunity to see if, I dunno, one of the 11 other players might have a more useful response? And "it's so unimportant that it shouldn't be a read"...no, it really isn't. You had your Role PM by then, yes? Then it's usable.

*Note: Edited out URLs since this site won't let me post them

I find it interesting that both of them were using DBP to help their pushes. Considering Xiz was town, it could be that they wanted to take advantage of a town player's incorrect reads, or maybe it was a more coordinated move. Considering no wolves have died yet, I wouldn't ignore the possibility of a coordinated wolf team.

A lot of other posts from them were tunneling me, Xiz, and psychoangel to a lesser extent as well as clashing with Mikey. No mention of jessie. I am like 90% sure jessie and this slot are wolf partners but I'll look at Shado's ISO before making further conclusions.

[Bolth mannn]

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I think Jess is the perfect utr scum partner so I’m fine with a lynch there

Are we going to be able to resolve the dbp/ffa thing here? Is there any pro town reason why ffa would fake a claim like that? If its true then we need to vote dbp, but why the hesitancy to hardclaim a red check? That’s what I don’t understand

[Hakulyte]

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I think Jess is the perfect utr scum partner so I’m fine with a lynch there

Are we going to be able to resolve the dbp/ffa thing here? Is there any pro town reason why ffa would fake a claim like that? If its true then we need to vote dbp, but why the hesitancy to hardclaim a red check? That’s what I don’t understand

...to see how people react to it.

[Bolth mannn]

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...to see how people react to it.

Right...

So how’s that different to what xiz did?

[flashflash account]

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I think Jess is the perfect utr scum partner so I’m fine with a lynch there

Are we going to be able to resolve the dbp/ffa thing here? Is there any pro town reason why ffa would fake a claim like that? If its true then we need to vote dbp, but why the hesitancy to hardclaim a red check? That’s what I don’t understand

to make wolves wine on whether or not I have a red check or just got lucky

[Hakulyte]

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Right...

So how’s that different to what xiz did?

Xiz had too many layers of chaos for this game at this point imo.

I think it would have been really hard to move forward with the game without doing that.

Even at this point, I don't understand half of his game.

[leetic]

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DBP pulling a Precarious here on the mad mechanics is meh
oh he's self aware about it. -"I hate that so many of my posts have been about this but I think it's important to establish the "why"" - this is honestly fair. even reading up, I could see myself getting caught in the argument of lynching inactives D0 vs going after active wolves, so I can relate to getting caught in it while hating that its consuming my time
#387 "I was gonna wait for Xiz to come back but I'll just elaborate on this now " good intro to a good catch on the SK thing. the only peeps thinking about SK before a flip are usually woofs tryna fish.
#420 yup yup yup DBP might be good after all
#832 vote on psycho seems to be following up on voting inactives and following Xiz. EoD -43m
Jessie
#805 jessie has had very few posts til this point. her posts contributing a relevant thought can be counted on one hand. this interaction struck me as odd for some reason so I'm including it here, starting with #805 to FG "What changed your mind?" wrt to unvoting Ulle (then "you do you, I guess" as an aside in response to FG's vote switch onto her) -> FG responds, "she won't be around" -> jess, "I mean I guess that’s okay for D0, but if you genuinely think someone is a wolf later on in the game, I don’t think them not being here for EOD should save them." -> FG, "I agree"

Cut out all parts not related to the two we're interested, you can check out this post on your own if you want to see the rest. DBP is the only one who was not bolded, which is weird. The progression on him is weird, first flakiness, then saying he's good, then townreading for following through on lynching inactives? Jessie is saved for last, and he makes absolutely no judgement on her. The fact that he felt the need to even mention Jessie in the first place feels like CWAC, and strengthens my read of the two as partners.

That's pretty close, actually. I've only partially skimmed this phase, so I can't fully answer that buuuut

I think at this point I think Dusk is the scummiest barring slots that will resolve themselves.

As for the other two,
I'm really not sure about Jessie 'cause she's posted so little, but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. She had little real content last phase, and what there was wasn't exactly insightful. FG thinks she's scummy which may be a good sheep given the check, but I'd pursue Dusk first.

DBP this phase seems better than DBP last phase, and I didn't have much against him last phase so I don't think I'd include him here yet.

I'd put Xiz well above DBP in terms of my suspicion. I really didn't like him last phase or believe his claim too much, but it does exist un-counterclaimed by either a different claim or the setup Letters, so I think it may be wise to give him more time until a contradiction in possible worlds appears.



You were aware of the postcount requirement or aware that psycho was below it?
but fair point, it ended up being a good thing that the lynch didn't fall on leetic.

Talks about jessie in a "kind of shading, but not actually putting in any real danger of a lynch" way. Also mentions DBP again for what it's worth.

why not dusk?

Response to FG suggesting to lynch jessie. At this point, the defense feels a little shameless, but considering no wolves have died yet I wouldn't be surprised.

I would like to note that Shado has never tried to actively prod or interact with jessie, so this defense feels even more weird.

Holy shit the Xiz debacle really escalated

of note is DBP waiting it out (or maybe IRL stuff came up?), MML (and later DBP) pushing Xiz on a bluff because his claimed role doesn't give him anymore info, FG having ideas I wanna talk about later, and... and Duskfall.

In the midst of the meltdown and the threats of outing shit and yada yada, my man here goes:

Talks about DBP but doesn't really take it anywhere.

when did you ask me about Xiz? I'm reading, chill your beans fam

if you must know, I don't like either of the wagons right now. as far as I've read, I haven't seen anything from DBP meriting a lynch. Is his playstyle different in terms of posting more during the phase itself and less trying to control EoD? yes. Do I think it's AI? No. I like that change. I know DBP has historically been stressed thinking people *needed* him to come in at EoD and hero mode it to save town, so seeing him put it to the backburner is a welcome change. everything I've read of him so far has been aight.

Xiz I've commented on extensively in my posts thus far. I think can be resolved later as more claims come in, though after reading his more recent meltdown and recovery, I'm beginning to think his presence alone is gonna split town even if he may be town himself. I don't think there's much he can do at this state to convince certain people that he's truly town, so he'll be an easy mislynch later on if people let emotions make their decisions when claims come in and mechanical lynches becomes more crucial.

So between the two, I'd lynch Xiz over DBP if it comes to it.

I'd much rather we lynch duskfall. Say what you will about D0 reads, but I think that over and over and over again his posts dripped scumminess too many times for me to let it go. I think you can tell alignment from even one post if it betrays the underlaying intention enough, and I think his posts do that. my thoughts there are outlined in my bigger post about D0 as well.

I'm also really hesitant on accepting FG's green. A godfather almost certainly exists in this setup, and I'm normally really good at reading her. In all the games I've played with her, I don't think I've ever mislynched her as town and the one time she was wolf I caught her D0 and pushed for her lynch thru the following day phase. Aside from this phase where she's seemed more normal (perhaps due to the green check), she's really been off to me. My thoughts there are outlined in my big post from yesterday.

More defense of DBP. His stances on Xiz and FG also don't look that great from hindsight.

Xiz your latest fixation with FG stinks of another bigbrained plot and I can't deal with another. Please stop.

oh yeah jess exists. that's a fine lynch too, esp since it's become clear no one wants to follow me on Dusk

A grand total of eighteen minutes before EoD. The momentum against Xiz was just significantly stronger than the momentum against jessie at that point.

Fine. I want Jessie to answer for herself tomorrow because I hate the absolute uncertainty of her slot

I'm gonna vote Xiz to be done with the whole nonsense

Were you ever not going to vote Xiz? That is the question.

she's not getting lynched 'cause she's not here to speak up and account for herself and her slot.

also the tone of your last sentence and your first line don't line up for me

The tone doesn't sound like someone who thinks jessie is a fine lynch. Can we say flipflop?

aight

I'm not one for dwelling on nightkills buut I don't like that kill

the actual cause is endless wifom but it doesn't bode well in any case

does anyone else who said clearing up the Xiz question was necessary feel like maybe it wasn't necessary after all? 'cause like, I got no satisfaction from that lynch

You said you wanted jessie to answer for herself tomorrow, yet no mention of her in your opening post?

jessiebessie

hey jess, when you get here can you talk about anyone you feel confident about in either direction? like people you have a good feeling about or a bad feeling and why

I get that you're moving, but there's only one reason you didn't get lynched yesterday and that isn't going to be enough to skate by on this time if you don't give us enough to read you by

Okay, now you're talking about jessiebessie...

not liking anything rn.

I'm with you on lynching from the Xiz wagon. it's clear that wolves are steering this game, which is making me cut down my town pile to near nil

I'm looking hardest in DBP's direction for being the one name on the Xiz wagon that I think could've orchestrated and carried out a lynch like that, and I'll admit I probably let him float more than I should've based on liking his push on xiz earlier on

not gonna lie, I'm also tinfoiling on you pretty hard. your playstyle's been super different than the town!FFA I'm used to, and while I like the change and love the more serious approach, it's much harder to read you than it used to be.

...But you want to lynch on the Xiz wagon. Which jessie is conveniently not a part of. Yeah.

I mean, someone provide me with an argument as to why Shado and jessie are not partners, because it is not looking good.

[flashflash account]

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is shado/jess/dbp a compatible team iyo?

[Hakulyte]

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The fact that he felt the need to even mention Jessie in the first place feels like CWAC, and strengthens my read of the two as partners.

What's CWAC ? I probably forgot what it means if it was said before.

I mean, someone provide me with an argument as to why Shado and jessie are not partners, because it is not looking good.

I think you bring good points. I hope Jess/Shado respond to this.

[flashflash account]

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contributing without actually contributing