TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

I mean, you're IC so I'd probably not dog you about it

But you should absolutely still give an explanation

I fucking love this role.

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

ok side-thot for this really quick

Still not completely caught up, but if the vote on fg is because of the slip regarding Xel, I have seen Xel viewing the thread if that means anything.

guys I read games I'm not in. Not all the way through BUT I DO PEEK.

I'd go off on some tangent but

SOMEONE DECIDED A NK ON FG WAS A GOOD IDEA

ha ha ha

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

I feel like I'm in Limbo until someone gets in here and continues conversations/responds to any standing questions. There's not even that much to re read especially for today.

I don't really see a deep mystery that needs to be solved in the nightkills.

This still bothers me.

sorry guys, I really need to get my head into this game. I think a good starting place is reading star's posts, so I'm going to do that

This never happened.

I fucking love this role.

This made me see the inside of the back of my head

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

ok side-thot for this really quick



guys I read games I'm not in. Not all the way through BUT I DO PEEK.

I'd go off on some tangent but

SOMEONE DECIDED A NK ON FG WAS A GOOD IDEA

ha ha ha

In trying to decide which person here would make that call I'm pretty sure I gave my brain cells cancer

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

This made me see the inside of the back of my head

that was the intention, at least you get a nice unfiltered post xel where he worries literally 0% of post implications when picking words

In trying to decide which person here would make that call I'm pretty sure I gave my brain cells cancer

Ok nevermind Vigi is very possible


So I am going to assume Vigi made a kill out of someone who had votes on them to not doublestack with wolves where would clearly be going for Gradiant. Not sure why they didn't go counterwagon in this case though.


Fah, that's about as useful as speculating will get us.

you still attached to this at all? (I'm only up to the post this is, had to do song picking for tourney going on atm as a break so I have no idea if you probed about this or not)

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

ps yes I am aware there has only been one kill per night

and I am aware sunfan (?) thinks star didn't shoot at all

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

you still attached to this at all? (I'm only up to the post this is, had to do song picking for tourney going on atm as a break so I have no idea if you probed about this or not)

I keep getting asked about it. It seems a few people (Roundbox, SunFan, WnB, Gradiant I think?) don't buy into it but I am convinced we had a second killing power which is likely Star as One Shot Vigi.

Because if Wolves made that FG kill and did not target IC that makes no sense.

Me and WnB where having a back and forth on this over the last three pages but I'm waiting on him to respond.

[Wineandbread]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

If I have to make a quick list on where I am, it would look probably something like this..

TOWN:
Gradiant
sunfan
inD
Lar
T-Force

NULL:
Wine
roundbox
Raeko

WOLFY:
Ben



Either way, the 3 R's scare me more than Reading, Writing, and 'rithmetic so seeing something out of them would be cool.

Wine is pretty neutral because I've seen him coast on a wolf game by still playing fairly even keeled (although that was helped by choof playing the wolf game of his life).

Reuben is the one I'm easily the most wary of because I saw a lot of these same tactics in the 2nd coming of jTWG where he rolled wolf an unfortunate number of times (Flash Squadron, the Harry Potter game.. Hell, iirc, he had a streak of at least 3 straight), and they all contained similar styles: not really confronting anyone, but making a lot of analytical summary posts to make it look like he's keeping up and contributing, but adding nothing of flavour.

Can you comment on rb scaring you & why inD/sunfan have had a complete reversal after star's death?

How do you feel about my comment about inD/sunfan not directly engaging each other d1?

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Because for Vigi not to shoot the first night that means wolves did not go for IC and I do not buy into that. I get you do, others do, whatever; I do not.

Star replacing in night phase means jack all as night phase is 24 hours and I saw her in the thread throughout the phase while I was re-reading. She had plenty of time to send in a kill. Hell, depending on how much she was town reading me she might have very well picked FG because of my scumlean/vote

Nope, I'm not. Just that it boils down to same difference
Like I think of the possiblity of Vigi and use it as the term for second killing power. Of course it could be an SK, but honestly in my hypothetical here said killing power shot someone who was getting voted (in a EoD where the lynched got killed off of 2 votes, that means something) and I think Vigi would make the call that a potential wolf needed to go first.

I mean I've seen SK do that too (I have myself as SK) but a town aligned Vigi is probably the safer bet.

Do you think we have both Sk and One Shot Vigi in the game? I guess C9+++ does get role heavy but that seems like alot of night killing going on.

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Well if you still don't buy it at this point I'll stop talking about it with you. I will just reiterate one more time that blue-hunting instead of IC kill is a very logical use of wolf kill power because there are potentially many blues in the game (and also remember wolves know roughly how many T were rolled in the setup), and for you to evaluate Gradiant's posts d0 and think if he was worth killing.

You're the only one scumreading fg d0 as far as I'm aware. You think that was enough for vigi to pull the trigger? Can you explain a bit more what you mean in the bolded?

But no, I don't think SK is in this game either.

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY

GRADIANT HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH XELNYA

Also, they are pardoned the burden of posting 5, but THEY SHOULD POST AT LEAST 3 POSTS THIS PHASE OR FACE THE RULES APPLIED POST #2

Funnygurl you were right all along

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

and for you to evaluate Gradiant's posts d0 and think if he was worth killing.

He could have never posted and still be worth killing he's a cleared slot

You're the only one scumreading fg d0 as far as I'm aware. You think that was enough for vigi to pull the trigger? Can you explain a bit more what you mean in the bolded?

The bolded literally explains the bolded.
Top lynch was a weak ass 2 votes. Anyone being voted in that dead as hell EoD is pretty much just as viable.


This point was illustrating that Star probably read the thread and didn't make a random kill (which seems out of character for her apparently); I was her first solid town read so if you where going to pick a kill from the list you'd probably agree with your town reads. The point isn't "But, but Funnygirl had a vote!!!" because we could say that about others.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

He could have never posted and still be worth killing he's a cleared slot

To add on to this, if he was rallying for a huge mislynch maybe, except no not even then because then it's super obvious he's going to mislynch.

Also Gradiant wasn't rallying shit so the idea IC would get towns lynched is gone and that doesn't even seem as useful as making sure town doesn't have cleared slots

And for fuck's sake man if you can't see this point then I don't know what to say.

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

I keep getting asked about it. It seems a few people (Roundbox, SunFan, WnB, Gradiant I think?) don't buy into it but I am convinced we had a second killing power which is likely Star as One Shot Vigi.

Because if Wolves made that FG kill and did not target IC that makes no sense.

Me and WnB where having a back and forth on this over the last three pages but I'm waiting on him to respond.

Roundbox I can see not buying it because it's a speculation based thought and not aligned to any actions by anyone in the game.

Sunfan thinks you're on a one track path in terms of this "going after what's in front of you" as he puts it.

The real question is to solve why star would shoot fg based on the in game actions, because I'd think if star did take the shot there's a zero percent chance she doesn't claim it was her. Even IF it's a bad shot, it does help solve the nightkill puzzle, so the information is valuable either way.

And Star I think has a strong enough interest in the game.

tldr: I don't agree with you that she shot FG and I think she was saving it for one more night to make a play towards today's eod based on her posts (which I read before anything because she's the only other PR, and she's dead so I was skimming to see if I could find her soft at all.)

I think operating like there's another kill power is smart, but I can't say I'd do it based on that. Dbp didn't kill till needed once, so I'm always weary of it in this setup because (at least assuming Charu uses the same PMs as the ones linked in the setup) they don't have to kill.

I think based on nightkills I'd wanna look into the deep wolf pool here. They're killing people to give little info, and netted a PR in the process. They're still up either two or three.

Which is something that reminds me of how Xiz picks wolfkills...

[Wineandbread]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

He could have never posted and still be worth killing he's a cleared slot



The bolded literally explains the bolded.
Top lynch was a weak ass 2 votes. Anyone being voted in that dead as hell EoD is pretty much just as viable.


This point was illustrating that Star probably read the thread and didn't make a random kill (which seems out of character for her apparently); I was her first solid town read so if you where going to pick a kill from the list you'd probably agree with your town reads. The point isn't "But, but Funnygirl had a vote!!!" because we could say that about others.

Okay maybe I'll try something different.
HYPOTHETICALLY, let us assume the setup is 2T.
At the start of the game, wolves will see: T - T - M - x - x - x - x, where x is an unknown blue role.
Can you see why, in this situation, IC doesn't get killed? I think they would value cutting down blue numbers over the thread of IC on wolves in day phases.

Your vote logic doesn't seem sound to me. Why wouldn't they just shoot their own target instead of yours if they know they are 100% town, regardless of how towny you are? If she read the thread I'm sure she can form her own opinions, ie. inD.

If the top vote was 2 votes, wouldn't everyone even out of the votes be viable then? There were a lot of people that didn't vote. I don't think having a low vote top lynch necessitates lynching within the pool.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

The real question is to solve why star would shoot fg based on the in game actions, because I'd think if star did take the shot there's a zero percent chance she doesn't claim it was her. Even IF it's a bad shot, it does help solve the nightkill puzzle, so the information is valuable either way.

And Star I think has a strong enough interest in the game.

tldr: I don't agree with you that she shot FG

Then possible other killing power?
I mean fuck if wolves actually are just avoiding IC that's dumb. I just don't believe it.

I think based on nightkills I'd wanna look into the deep wolf pool here. They're killing people to give little info, and netted a PR in the process. They're still up either two or three.

Which is something that reminds me of how Xiz picks wolfkills...

I'm pretty ok with lynching one of the actives.
To go after Raeko or T-Force honestly seems lazy and a good way to mislynch (especially Raeko). Ben's on the bottom too but he was active early and I think we have more then enough content from him to hold him accountable.

But I'm probably not voting Ben today unless he returns and completely drops the ball.

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

Then possible other killing power?
I mean fuck if wolves actually are just avoiding IC that's dumb. I just don't believe it.



I'm pretty ok with lynching one of the actives.
To go after Raeko or T-Force honestly seems lazy and a good way to mislynch (especially Raeko). Ben's on the bottom too but he was active early and I think we have more then enough content from him to hold him accountable.

But I'm probably not voting Ben today unless he returns and completely drops the ball.

I'm down to put ben on the table for some "fun" tho

because this hoe is gonna play this game even if I drag him by his painted on penguin tuxedo to do it

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG CLXXIV - Sounds Like You've got a Problem. - Game Thread

Can you see why, in this situation, IC doesn't get killed? I think they would value cutting down blue numbers over the thread of IC on wolves in day phases.

You're not going to like my answer

Your vote logic doesn't seem sound to me. Why wouldn't they just shoot their own target instead of yours if they know they are 100% town, regardless of how towny you are? If she read the thread I'm sure she can form her own opinions, ie. inD.

Was InD her first pick?

My theory doesn't hinged on her sheeping me so this is a moot point anyway. I'm just saying that she had time to read the thread and make a shot and if we wanted to read deeply into it said shot hints that there could have been thought into it based off reading---that it wouldn't necessarily be random. The idea that Funny was a random shot when there where votes within the 1 vote range of most voted and one of her strong towns suspected funny doesn't mesh if we assume that Star DID IT.

If the top vote was 2 votes, wouldn't everyone even out of the votes be viable then? There were a lot of people that didn't vote. I don't think having a low vote top lynch necessitates lynching within the pool.

That could be a viable viewpoint for her to take. In our theory we know she chose Funny because Funny died. Unless she didn't shoot and wolves killed her.

But damn, there's that thing about wolves probably going FOR THE CLEAR FUCKING SLOT that makes me feel like we have a doctor/jailer/your role here and that someone else killed Funny so you know....