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  • MixMasterLar
    Beach Bum Extraordinaire
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Aug 2006
    • 5401

    #2491
    Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

    Cel and DBP both seem to be lurking though, so before I cast a vote I wanna see them give thoughts.

    There is always a possibility of a fake PR claim from Manti, but to be honest unless someone else wants to take credit for our peaceful night phase it makes we'd have a roleblocker among us.

    Originally posted by inDheart
    someone threw out a bunch of my food and i'm pissed

    so that's been fun
    Beat them up

    Originally posted by inDheart
    i would like to hear more opinions on the 3p question i posed - if people think we should prioritize looking for a 3p today just numbers wise, then that's where i want to spend my time
    I never really believed in doing that, it's way easier to find and lynch wolves. If town does it rapidly enough we'll have the time to look for 3rd party safely.

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    • Xiz
      TWG Chaos
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Feb 2012
      • 3399

      #2492
      Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

      because like im not sure if im tunneling from dbp and tokzic being inactive or what.

      Also cel was on manti last night, while dbp was on blind

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      • Xiz
        TWG Chaos
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Feb 2012
        • 3399

        #2493
        Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

        Originally posted by inDheart
        i would like to hear more opinions on the 3p question i posed - if people think we should prioritize looking for a 3p today just numbers wise, then that's where i want to spend my time

        I don't really want to talk about it that much honestly, I think there are far more important things to be discussing.

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        • DarkManticoreX2
          TWG Overlord
          • Apr 2005
          • 7355

          #2494
          Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

          This is a pretty sucky thunderdome
          AAA's = 800

          Originally posted by V
          Manti, I apologize for insulting you. Let the record show that I am a prickass douche, and not only that, but that I am a terrible player.

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          • inDheart
            Picker @ JAX2
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Aug 2011
            • 505

            #2495
            Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

            Originally posted by DarkManticoreX2
            This is a pretty sucky thunderdome
            did we forget to tell them to thunderdome

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            • Celirra
              FFR Player
              • Apr 2015
              • 749

              #2496
              Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

              In regards to me lurking and being largely inactive, I've been racking my brain around whether or not Manti can be trusted, because that is my priority here above all else; I'd much rather not have another mislynch because at this point, at best we can only have two more mislynches before we lose; at worst, if there is 3P, then it could be as grave as having only one more mislynch before we lose, under this:

              10 right now
              mislynch -1 = 9
              NK:
              wolf -1
              SK -1
              7 by start of next day
              3 wolves 1 sk
              very difficult for town to win unless we roleblock well

              That's more just why I'm really trying to figure this out hard right now and I'm a bit worried of haphazardly posting, because if Manti is to be trusted with this vote, then there is mathematically a 50% chance that we're in a bad spot to win, assuming there's equal odds of me or DBP being lynched.

              I have a suggestion for what it's worth:
              no lynch (is this how this works? basically no lynch tonight)
              if there is no 3p, then we don't actually have to lynch; thus is the beauty of even numbers.

              10 now
              no lynch
              nk -1
              9 for next day phase
              1 mislynch permissible assuming no PR intervention (2 mislynches = 3w 2t)

              else:
              10 now
              lynch -1
              nk -1
              8 for next day phase
              1 mislynch permissible assuming no PR intervention (2 mislynches = 3w 1t; with 1 mislynch it would be 3w 3t, or 2w 2t, or so on, which I believe means town still has a chance? if #t = #w means a loss for town, then I actually think it might be more beneficial to hold off tonight at no harm? unless we have no doubt)

              please correct me if any of this could be incorrect; I do know that even #'s permit a no-lynch anyways I believe, even if my reasoning is incorrect, in which case oops, and please clarify if I am wrong


              This way we get more info from a NK potentially before we make a risky vote between two, myself and DBP, because I don't think any of us are confident of either of us being town OR wolf.

              Also for what it's worth, don't hammer anyone tonight; I think insta'ing anyone right now is a bad call, so please be careful with actually dropping the hard votes.
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              • MixMasterLar
                Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Aug 2006
                • 5401

                #2497
                Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                ....If it actually comes down to not being able to decide no lynching is not the worst idea

                But frankly I can't help but feel like you're using it as an excuse Cel. Like, you don't pitch a way to confirm Manti or work through any of the logic yourself you spend your whole post trying to convince us to not lynch.

                TBH I rarely believe in no lynching in most cases but if we no lynch I at least want to feel like we spent the time actually talking about what's going on and not saying "oh, no lynch" just to see you fade back away.

                This Thunderdome does suck.

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                • Celirra
                  FFR Player
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 749

                  #2498
                  Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                  In regards to whether or not manti can be trusted, honestly I always have had my doubts about him, and I think I've been pretty vocal in regards to that. I'm curious who else he roleblocked in the past night phases still.


                  Originally posted by DarkManticoreX2
                  Just to be clear, I think DBP should die today based solely on his play. Any other info that supports that theory is a boon.

                  His consistent ability to materialize in the thread when his name is brought up or he is voted for is further evidence that he has been following this game rather closely, despite his inability to make posts or generate discussion. This is not human play, this is wolf UTR.


                  I do want to hear a bit more in regards to this; I think it's consistent enough? I admittedly don't remember finding much regarding him specifically incriminating me at any point, but if he did in the past then it is consistent in his thinking that he would roleblock DBP and myself.
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                  • MixMasterLar
                    Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 5401

                    #2499
                    Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                    ALSO while a second kill in the night is possible, the fact that you still refer to it as an SK kinda shows me you're not all that caught up with everything. SK is very unlikely, and what we've seen points to a 3rd party guesser.

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                    • Celirra
                      FFR Player
                      • Apr 2015
                      • 749

                      #2500
                      Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                      Oh, ninja'd.

                      @MML, I agree, and the timing is a bit unfortunate on my part; I can't really make an excuse for that especially with how absent I was prior to now, I can see why it'd seem like me just trying to hide. I won't make excuses there, and I don't think I'd be able to sway your mind anyways; all I can really do is apologize for not being in the right state to be playing twg for a lot of this phase.
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                      • MixMasterLar
                        Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 5401

                        #2501
                        Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                        Originally posted by Celirra

                        I do want to hear a bit more in regards to this; I think it's consistent enough? I admittedly don't remember finding much regarding him specifically incriminating me at any point, but if he did in the past then it is consistent in his thinking that he would roleblock DBP and myself.
                        I have my own thoughts on this but it'll be better for Town to let Manti answer that himself. I feel like I know the answer though.

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                        • Celirra
                          FFR Player
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 749

                          #2502
                          Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                          Originally posted by MixMasterLar
                          ALSO while a second kill in the night is possible, the fact that you still refer to it as an SK kinda shows me you're not all that caught up with everything. SK is very unlikely, and what we've seen points to a 3rd party guesser.
                          I'm not very well versed in random games and I default to third party as SK; apologies there. I think much of my logic still follows though, with maybe a bit less security in the no-lynch option.
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                          • Wayward Vagabond
                            Confirmed Heartbreaker
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Jul 2012
                            • 5866

                            #2503
                            Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                            Originally posted by Celirra
                            I'm curious who else he roleblocked in the past night phases still.
                            I'd also like to know who his roleblocks were for previous nights

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                            • MixMasterLar
                              Beach Bum Extraordinaire
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Aug 2006
                              • 5401

                              #2504
                              Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                              Like, I get your point. The issues I have are

                              1 - That you are advocating this basically as your first point before you even work through anything else

                              And

                              2 - We gotta solve this shit sometime and now is about as safe of time as any as far as where I'm sit.

                              I guess watching who the wolves target vs If Til/Manti get another save gives us info but we'll have that amount of info anyway?

                              At this point I do not know if you think DPB is town and just don't want to fight him, or if you're actually both wolves and want to save yourselves. The way you go about things baffles me

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                              • Wayward Vagabond
                                Confirmed Heartbreaker
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Jul 2012
                                • 5866

                                #2505
                                Re: TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

                                and i'm still wonder where tokzic is because there is no way his internet is that good now that he can't drop playing a game to just pop in here and say anything related to this game

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