TWG CLXVII Game Thread How Was Awakening Reviewed

[Celirra]

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Also tiloco while you're still here; you mentioned a bit of a break but if you could quickly give a read list update thatd be swell; I think it would help ease my mind a bit if you were first to do something like that today.

[Wayward Vagabond]

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it was mentioned see my reference post either last page or page before last

[Wayward Vagabond]

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[Celirra]

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ok that's nifty

[Soundwave-]

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I don't see inD being a likely mafia target.

There is probably a town who knows who the mafia target was.

[Celirra]

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I don't see inD being a likely mafia target.

There is probably a town who knows who the mafia target was.

Pretty sure a lot of people had InD as hard town, and many considered him to be putting good work in; isn't that someone who would make a good target?


that said I can see wolves not killing for mathematical reasons (aka I agree with what you were saying earlier)

[tiloco217]

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I find it very unlikely that mafia would want to no kill last night. Bringing the game down to 8 players is really good because than the town goes from having 4 lynches to 3 lynches. If they kill last night and push a misslynch (which would only require 2 town votes for them to insta) than it's game over.

[tiloco217]

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TBH I don't really want to work on a reads list atm. They are really dull and I don't feel like I get much out of them (I understand that everyone else benefits and I don't argue that I need to do it). I'll get one to you guys before I go to work at 11 tonight.

[Celirra]

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I find it very unlikely that mafia would want to no kill last night. Bringing the game down to 8 players is really good because than the town goes from having 4 lynches to 3 lynches. If they kill last night and push a misslynch (which would only require 2 town votes for them to insta) than it's game over.

1) inDheart
2) MixMasterLar
3) Celirra
4) Xiz
5) Tokzic
6) tiloco217
7) DarkManticoreX2
8) Wayward Vagabond
9) DaBackPack
10) Soundwave-

Unless they get two kills, they'd only be able to bring it down to 9, not 8 though?

[Soundwave-]

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They still gave up a day for it.

[tiloco217]

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Lol I just had the count wrong. Less town is better for mafia still but it's not impossible. Still find it pretty improbable that there were 4 (5) actions last night and mafia didn't try to kill.

[the sun fan]

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Votecount:
tiloco (1)- Lar
Tokzic (1)- WV

[MixMasterLar]

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That sentence is a mess I'll reiterate after I get home from work

Short version: I didn't mean to insta blind, xiz and I just switched out votes at the same time

eh, games move fast when you have to manually F5 a thread. This is fair enough for now.

Hello boys and girls and friends,

use the color wheat again and I will vote you.

i also did some thinking about the setup because haku dying is still a little bizarre, and the reason might be related to role guessing more likely than name guessing, based on blind flipping Sumia. people would figure that a neighbor flipped so there has to be another one, is basically my thought process there, and haku's post speculating on what character the neighbor could be could also be a contributing factor

reasons this could be unlikely:
- game has nonstandard role names ("John Doe"?)
- tiloco has been able to claim powers openly and not die for it

if tiloco has a mystic power i'm not very surprised that the number would be high and i still don't feel great about trading clears for pelts

So what you are saying is, because wolves already saw a neighbor flip because of Flash they got that second kill on Haku?
Eh, that does explain why we don't seem to have another killing power. That also would punish the ever living shit out of mass claiming if true.
Til not dying from revealing his role doesn't surprise me because his role seems to change every time he posts about it, but any wolf worth their salt would have just used the regular ol' nightkil (I assume they have a standard NK action because even the mystery games have had those, seem like a safe assumption)

This is parity in the mathematical sense. Wolves can choose to no kill to control the mathematics of the end game. In a simple scenario even numbers of players favor wolves (hence the tactic being named after "parity") but in a mystery game roles that can prevent kills and how many kills there are at night are both factors as well.

Fucking what?
That literally makes no sense. No wolf would be like "Mathematically speaking, we should spare the lives of town and their adorable medic who will surely bring the wreckening upon us"

Like what the fuck are you smoking it's gotta be illegal and bad for your liver.

I think I see more wolf in Tokzic than DBP
and I think they're a decent T/W pair

I'm inclined to agree just solely from what EV was quoting, but DPB has basically fallen off the map and that's more of his wolf meta.
Maybe that shouldn't matter because he was doing his town tell early game but it still looks bad on him.

I think I would be a stickler for my reads and vote Tokzic over DBP at this point in the game though.

I still think that's a good idea today btw because the worst case scenario is that I am mafia and town trades a kill on the investigative for me. Best case is I'm town and we get an investigative and mafia are basically forced to kill me.

Are you actually serious right now?

2) If I try to say I saved someone then I have to confirm someone as town by outing my save and never give out the Mysic info. That is god awful play and I don't understand how this could even be a question. The only way I could ever do that is if I was mafia (and I totally would as mafia fyi)

See in normal games where you ain't lying out your ass, once you out you're suppose to hard clear everyone you can and leave that info. When you die, the other info checks out and we have confirmed towns that we know not to lynch. But I guess since you escaped fucking -two- nights as an outed blue you wouldn't understand the importance of rushing out the details would you?

3) I wanted claims first because not knowing the number makes claiming much more risky for mafia. That being said I don't think there is any chance of me getting enough trust from town to make that strat effective. The number of actions used last night was 4 (5 including mine). This means over 50% of the game used actions last night. I don't see any world where mafia didn't make a kill with that number.

You seem really intent on finding that other medic and it concerns me.

In short, do your homework before you claim but most likely a character guesser is going to have a really hard time trying to figure out who you are.

Here's a better idea: Don't fucking claim? Unless you feel like you may die don't out yourself. Sneak info out if you must.

I expect the mafia made up 2 of our 4 (5) actions last night. that means there are 2 unaccounted for actions remaining. That is a lot of towns and we only need 5 for auto assuming 1 kp every night.

Why would you assume this considering we have no kills?

Oh my save was on Indheart night 2 btw. Nothing much to say there.

So when you save people, people die
When you don't save people we get no deaths.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmm

This post ended up being a mess of thoughts trying to get in each other's way. I read back through it and everything makes sense to me but if you need some clarification don't hesitate to ask.

I won't.

TBH I don't really want to work on a reads list atm.

Shouldn't even need to tell how I feel about this

[MixMasterLar]

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Basically what I'm trying to say can be boiled down to this:

http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=cFEPttl4WD8&p=n#/26;31

Too much makes no sense

[tiloco217]

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Are you actually serious right now?


See in normal games where you ain't lying out your ass, once you out you're suppose to hard clear everyone you can and leave that info. When you die, the other info checks out and we have confirmed towns that we know not to lynch. But I guess since you escaped fucking -two- nights as an outed blue you wouldn't understand the importance of rushing out the details would you?


You seem really intent on finding that other medic and it concerns me.


Here's a better idea: Don't fucking claim? Unless you feel like you may die don't out yourself. Sneak info out if you must.


Why would you assume this considering we have no kills?


So when you save people, people die
When you don't save people we get no deaths.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmm


I won't.


Shouldn't even need to tell how I feel about this

In order:

Yes. That is the worst case scenario. That is what has to be evaluated by the other prs before the claim. Not a bad worst case and a really good best case. Very worth a claim

No idea what you mean here. I don't have a save to claim so I'd be "lying out my ass" by claiming I angel'd someone last night like Cel was suggesting. Not only would that be bad because I'm lying, I would have to out my save because why wouldn't I if I saved someone and then whoever I decided to say I had a save on would be confirmed for nothing. It is terrible play and I don't understand how it ever became a discussion.

Yes I'm intent on finding this other medic. I think it's a good idea for literally every role to claim today. We only need 5 towns and we have auto. That's not very hard with so many actions last night.

Same as the last point. You seem to think that the claiming punishment is based on the role itself but I highly doubt it. First off Sunfan mentioned that claiming specifically character name is bad. Secondly every fun game in DM that has some sort of mechanic to punish claiming is always based on the flavor of the role not the role itself. I'd imagine that holds true in other forms of mafia because that is a way to punish that makes sense.

At the time I thought there was no possibility of mafia not killing because I thought it gave us an extra lynch. Knowing that's not true it's a possibility that they no killed but one that I highly doubt. They would have to be ok with leaving me alive (the only way I'm ever dying at this point is if there's another claim I'm protecting btw) and be ok with there being an extra town around.

And what the fuck do you think that means? Do you think that I'm mafia, planned to go into this day with no kills and then not claim credit for the save. Like I understand if you guys want to go into your paranoid worlds where you think that I'm doing meta things that mafia would never do so that I won't be read as mafia but eventually you need to wake up and see that I'm not a mafia that's trying real hard to game throw and that I'm actually just town. I've been trying to avoid saying shit like this because let's be honest it doesn't actually help for me to bring it up it's much better if other people do but I doubt it will happen so I'm just going to come out with it.

Let's make a list of all the things that make no sense for me to do as mafia this game:

- I try to build a wagon on Xel, my partner, for the last few hours of an eod that didn't really have a wagon. If that had taken off I really doubt Xel would have defended himself well and I would have killed my partner for no reason.

- I kill two of the three people that voted on me d0. I then kill the third person the next night.

- I claim on day 1 knowing that there is no chance that I am going to be able to live through the rest of the game with a claim that early. That puts my life on a timer when it didn't have to be.

- I decide to flip my tunnel that I've had for the whole game (Xiz) on the first day that I could actually have made something happen with it. If I was mafia and Xiz was town than it's not even that bad for me because I'd been developing that read for so long that it makes sense for me to kill him that day. Easiest misslynch ever. Hell I could have just claimed a red on him and it wouldn't have been that bad. If I already decided living on an expiration date was ok than why not.

- I decide not to claim a save on a day with no kill even though I have almost no reason not to. Sure I said that I was going to use mystic yesterday but how many people would have argued with me if I came out and said I lied and used angel anyways.

- I decide to openly role hunt in a situation where if too many towns got confirmed it could just be game over. Also if someone important comes out I have to leave them alive or die the next day.

There is no reason for me to do this much shit that is against my wincon. There is too much here to just spin it as "it's so dumb it's smart".


I don't think I'm actually going to get a reads list done tonight because I just spent another hour writing up another post on basically the same shit I just said. I don't want to hear shit about how "lazy" I am because I'm already spending a majority of my free time playing this game instead of enjoying the start of my summer break. It's not like mafia isn't fun but when I have to spend most of my time repeating things that should be pretty clear I have a hard time enjoying it.