TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

[Hakulyte]

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I'm not saying its not real, but with a vigi, it gets harder to remember who died in the night, if that makes sense.

I've forgotten who died as a wolf before. So it can be real and he can still be a wolf

The real question is why none of us is really using their posts to sort of confirm things or at least make them more likely. @ Charu/Mellon/DBP (MML, you almost made me type DPB ugh)

[inDheart]

Re: TWG CLXIV: Classics Man - Game Thread

shado (3) - sunfan, aa, xel
jade (2) - woc, haku
woc (1) - mml
xel (1) - proph
unvote - shado, jade
not voting - wab

[MixMasterLar]

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Lar, when you're catching up, you'll see a post I made just 4 u

should explain the DBP stuff you've been wondering about

So far it's AA and Shado 'roiding out. Makes me want to vote AA on principle because he's done that shit to me while we where both town as well.


but I probably won't because the very timing of Shado flipping over to hating on Raeko makes me believe he wanted to start a wagon on her when he knew there was at least one other person on board with that (which was me)

Still re reading but tbh Imma start skimming this shit if it's 100% Shado hate

(MML, you almost made me type DPB ugh)

<3 you too Haku

[Hakulyte]

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unvote

I need to finish rereading.

[ShadoWolfe]

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1. I'm town reading him because the major case against him as far as I understand, that he was tunneling Mellon and not really doing anything else, is overblown and flat out wrong, respectively, and he has good content and a good visible mindset in his posts.

Thank you. Being consistently "misunderstood" was driving me crazy. I'm glad to see my mindset and posts are visible to someone.

As for who instead, I'd pick Jade, or wine since his not being here yet doesn't change that roundbox never delivered what he promised.

What did roundbox promise?

2. I'd hope you know "where my head is at" after I posted that list I think we should lynch from.
And I'm not trying to direct the flow? I've outright stated that town should only lynch from a group of five and asked that people drop their suspicions of someone I think is town with specific reasoning. Let me state that reasoning again for good measure: Even if you really think Shado is a wolf, leave him for now. If this was Xel, okay. If it was Proph, okay. But Shado's post rate, forcefulness, and presence will push wolves to kill him if he's town.
But then you could point out that they specifically won't kill him now? Doesn't matter. We'll lynch other wolves from my list, I'm sure of it. Then we can lynch Shado if you must, once we have more than enough room for error.

The parts before bold are iffy, because I've accumulated enough general suspicion at this point to make me look like an easy scapegoat any time the wolves start to feel pressured.
The bold part itself causes me to lean Witch town, though. Specifically, "once we have more than enough room for error". She's thinking critically, analyzing possibilities and different worlds here, and coming to the conclusion that it's too risky to lynch me here. She's open to the idea of killing me "if you must", but only after town's in a better spot.
A mislynch at this stage is really bad, and the person pushing me is tunneling/pushing for it so hard he was willing to openly declare that town should only lynch between us. Regardless of anything else, the possibility that he's a wolf pushing hard for the finish line alone should deter votes on me/AA. Find someone else this phase, and vigikill/lynch me as you please once we're a little more comfortable in wolf numbers.

And yes, my reads are fallible, I could be wrong about Shado just as much as anyone in my "do not lynch" group. But I believe in my reads just as much as you do in yours. And that list is not saying those people are lock town for the rest of the game. It's saying that they're bad lynches at this point.
I haven't worried about not finding wolves because instead I worked on finding people who I didn't want lynched. People I thought were town, who i thought were clearly not wolves, or people whose level of activity and thought made them self-resolving.

This is subtle, but it pretty clearly outlines the difference in playstyle that myself and others have noted. Also explains why she refused to give "scumreads" so to speak, and instead gave a list of five people she thought were scum.
I'm trying to be cautious not to be pocketed so I'm only giving her a townlean, but I do like the approach this post takes to the game, her PoE, and her tone.

I've been taking people out of my lynch pool and called for town to not lynch them as well. I've been pushing what I think regardless of how it would go over, or do you think I post half of what I have? So how the hell do you say I haven't tried to direct things? Because I haven't been taking blind leaps and pushing thoughts and suspicions I don't have and/or believe? Because I have therefore mainly pushed against things I think are wrong/bad decisions? I think this is beneath you.
Does this help you finally understand my position?

[Hakulyte]

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I guess I'll throw something different:

Who doesn't like both AA and Shado? Sunfan #758
(instead of thinking W/W, think at T/T here)

Who knew Jade was FreezinIce since the beginning? Sunfan

(Suggesting: Sunfan/Jade/???)

[Witch of Certainty]

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Thank you. Being consistently "misunderstood" was driving me crazy. I'm glad to see my mindset and posts are visible to someone.


What did roundbox promise?


The parts before bold are iffy, because I've accumulated enough general suspicion at this point to make me look like an easy scapegoat any time the wolves start to feel pressured.
The bold part itself causes me to lean Witch town, though. Specifically, "once we have more than enough room for error". She's thinking critically, analyzing possibilities and different worlds here, and coming to the conclusion that it's too risky to lynch me here. She's open to the idea of killing me "if you must", but only after town's in a better spot.
A mislynch at this stage is really bad, and the person pushing me is tunneling/pushing for it so hard he was willing to openly declare that town should only lynch between us. Regardless of anything else, the possibility that he's a wolf pushing hard for the finish line alone should deter votes on me/AA. Find someone else this phase, and vigikill/lynch me as you please once we're a little more comfortable in wolf numbers.
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This is subtle, but it pretty clearly outlines the difference in playstyle that myself and others have noted. Also explains why she refused to give "scumreads" so to speak, and instead gave a list of five people she thought were scum.
I'm trying to be cautious not to be pocketed so I'm only giving her a townlean, but I do like the approach this post takes to the game, her PoE, and her tone.

Quoting the whole post to say thank you as well.

roundbox promised an interesting and thoughtful wallpost and all he did give was resoundingly unimpressive.

[Witch of Certainty]

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[QUOTE=Hakulyte;4525583]

Who knew Jade was FreezinIce since the beginning? Sunfan/QUOTE]

Doesn't he manage the sock accounts?

[Hakulyte]

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Doesn't he manage the sock accounts?

Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I can't really seriously use this as an argument.

Rather than that, it's more how long it took for him to say that "it's indeed an alt".

[Witch of Certainty]

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Have to charge phone to be around for EoD, will be checking from time to time while it's plugged in.

[ShadoWolfe]

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Shado felt really bad in his early d0 interactions with mellon and his insistence on making her move.

Why? You acknowledge that my insistence had the intention of making her move, so why is that a bad thing?
AA and sunfan were forcing the narrative that I was lying about that intention and that I was really trying to start a wagon on her, which is why they scumread me for that interaction.
What's your reason?

Sunfan is usually one of my first town reads but I feel he hasn't been as prevalent for that in this game. To add to that I feel there was quite some inconsistencies and stuff in his posts that he had to address prior to EoD. His EoD d0 was really good though. I am a bit wary of him but not enough to warrant a scum read/lean/push/pull/wax on/wax off.

Why is sunfan's EoD d0 really good? He asked for one more day (supposedly to avoid AA's "crazy" push), then immediately caused the granted time to establish and strongly advocate for a mislynch. I have a thought as to why you'd think that's good, but I'd like to hear your mindset.

At the end of d0,

Town: Proph, AA

Null+: Haku, Jade, MML,

Null-: Witch, sunfan?

Scum: Shado, Xel

Is this for what you said about my "really bad" interaction with mellon, or for my EoD? Because my EoD should be pretty protown. I actively tried to pull people off a townread I had, and that townread was eventually mislynched.

Concerning groupings, I'm not sure if Shado and Xel are same faction but I am convinced at least one of them is. I am also of the opinion that we have a leader-ish wolf this game, gut hunch. Leaning towards sunfan, with an offchance of AA.

This is what caused me to townlean you on my first readthrough. I had been entertaining Roundbox being on a scumteam with either AA or sunfan (unless they're on a scumteam together), so seeing you call them out with your first major post reassured me about you.
In hindsight, all that means is that the likelihood of you sharing a scumteam with them is reduced now, but doesn't do anything to change your alignment individually and apart from them.

Sunfan/witch/xel or sunfan/witch/shado would not surprise me.

Hm, well... I suppose part of this makes sense to me in that you have witch/xel as potential teammates and witch/shado (or, by extension, a possible xel/shado), which is what I thought I would see if I were trying to find "Shado's scumteam". I don't think I could see sunfan and I ever being on the same wolfteam here, though. Sunfan hasn't bussed (to the point of being on the lynched wolf's wagon) since 2014, and I would only bus if absolutely necessary. He seems pretty set on seeing me lynched, so he is almost never scum if I were scum.

slight townlean for tone and a logical approach that I can identify with behind these reads.

[ShadoWolfe]

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Quoting the whole post to say thank you as well.

For what?

roundbox promised an interesting and thoughtful wallpost and all he did give was resoundingly unimpressive.

oh, that's what you were talking about. Yeah, definitely resoundingly unimpressive, especially compared to other roundbox games.

[TWG Jade Harley]

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alright my reads list is almost done pending a few interactions, but imo its kind of a mess!!

strong town:

haku - haku acting like an agent of chaos this entire game makes him stand out!! but in a good way! hes kind of doing his own thing and has been consistently doing so this entire game, so hes really the only person im really confident about reading alignmentwise!

mml - i just read his tone as pure and his line of thought i can easily read and identify with!

weak town:

proph - proph is trending down because hes not here enough! i cant really get a sense of where he stands on a lot of issues and id really like him to come and weigh in on todays posts beyond just make a single post and leave!!

sunfan - out of the people i asked about the dbp wagon yesterday, your response felt the least genuine! i mean its better than what i got from xel (nothing...) but still your reaction was not what i expected considering you started dbp wagon!! your tone and thoughts today are fine, but that one point is dragging you down in my mind and making me paranoid about you...

wineandbread - i feel so frustrated because i feel like when roundbox left i got cheated out of getting his thoughts about dbp wagon because he made 2 posts then peaced out, leaving me with almost nothing to go on for the day!! your first content post i really like, but its going to take a lot more than that to clear this slot in my mind.

null:

xel - i cannot read your slot!! your interactions with people are strange. you never answer any question i ask you. you come in, weigh in on stuff for like 2 or 3 posts, then inexplicably leave!! i really want to have a decent real time interaction with you. also i want you to tell me what your thought are about dbp wagon and your role in it with 2 or 3 sentences! although im not even sure how much this will help read you at this point...

witch - your posts today were fine but your hard defending of shado makes me suspicious of you again, downgrading you to null. i cant help but tinfoil that you have alignment information and your using it to gain favor subtly. ugh witch has caused me so many headaches this game...

THUNDERDOME:

aa - aa is really hard for me to read at the best of times, and this is not the best of times. my previous post showed why i think town aa could do what hes done and obviously as a wolf he could do it too. the thing thats balancing it out in his favor is he has been unrelenting in his questioning and scumhunting and seems to have towns best interests at heart, although a voice in my head is telling me that even that could come from a wolf mindset.

shado - i know your done talking about raeko, but that is a microcosm of a larger problem in that i cant i cannot understand where alot of your posts come from a town mindset. when i read posts from other people i can put myself in their shoes and think "yeah i would totally do that". i cannot do that in very many cases with you. ironically the only time im seeing where your coming from is recently when your campaigning against your lynch, and i agree that finding and investigating other people today is a wise use of time and i will be doing that, but my thoughts now are between aa/shado is our best chance to find a wolf.

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now that the reads list is posted, i think examining player interactions is the logical next step! and thats what im going to be doing~~

[TWG Jade Harley]

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Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I can't really seriously use this as an argument.

Rather than that, it's more how long it took for him to say that "it's indeed an alt".

[Character breaking response]

haku you fucking dipshit stop trying to angleshoot and play the game the right way.

thanks,

- freezinice

[End character breaking response]

[Witch of Certainty]

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For what?



oh, that's what you were talking about. Yeah, definitely resoundingly unimpressive, especially compared to other roundbox games.

For understanding what I meant and was trying to do?

A thought: wab isn't looking like he'll be that impressive either so far. What do you say?