TWG CLV: Boats

**AragakiAyase** · 07-12-2016, 06:32 AM

Re: TWG CLV: Boats

Not going to be able to respond properly to anything until I get home, but for now

mml, you basically think I'm a good/safe lynch because others are concerned about me, even though you don't think I'm particularly wolfy? It's just that "I could be red"

Think about that for a little, because you're spot on when you say that I'm a safe lynch, at least from your POV given how you just put that. Also, who are these people that are concerned? Logs (I may have missed them)?

**AragakiAyase** · 07-12-2016, 06:55 AM

Re: TWG CLV: Boats

Oh there are the logs

**AragakiAyase** · 07-12-2016, 07:01 AM

Re: TWG CLV: Boats

Point still stands though
Alright busy for 8 hours or so rip

**ShadoWolfe** · 07-12-2016, 08:11 AM

Re: TWG CLV: Desperate Rafts

Okay words to start this post: words. Should this be short, medium, or long? Ahh this is more difficult than anticipated. Fuck. So tired. Whelp, I already said I'd do this so I can't just go to sleep... If there's questions on anything, I'll be happy to answer questions when I awaken in the afternoon.

1. ShadoWolfe

Moved myself to the top. Just where I like to be (:

2. charu

Was wary at first. Gut wolfread, then null, then started thinking town before reanalyzing. After talking to him and reviewing chat, slightly more than slight wolf-lean based on votes and fluff. Also wary because his points aren't nearly as articulate and logical as I know he can be. Really not a fan of your activity so far, buckaroo. You've posted a lot (in terms of postcount), but pretty blank in terms of content and no, "gut stuff" is not all anyone can do in round one. Wolves will slip up , and every post is useful. It took you 2/3rds of D0 to end before you'd even acknowledge reading the thread, and then were encouraging people with reads to start voting with 19 hours left on the clock. Why the rush? You'd think an experienced player would know that more time in the Day will cause more info to come out one way or another. Info is always good, especially in a mystery game like this, and especially since there's so many borderline inactives. Please step up the logic and attitude if you're town, It'd be nice to not have a huge question mark over a potentially big asset.

3. AA

Had a town lean for digging, albeit in his own way. After talking to him initially, I was worried my town opinion of him was wrong because he wasn't contributing much of substance, but kept prodding for more info. This later changed as his opinions changed and the content of his posts and votes reflected a potential hunter, and I now have him as slightly green. His reaction over the ish with drizz seemed genuine and made me feel better. This could change easily, however, as he's apparently a great wolf and could have been making a fuss to divert attention. Still, all in all, town lean and No Lynch D0.

4. arntonach

Don't have too much here, because there isn't much here. Automatic null for lack of content, but I really don't like the lack of ANY content of any kind. Like seriously. His first twelve posts are all jokes, and that's twelve out of fifteen posts total. The other three go in this order: defend Charu, and then two posts that are enigmatic as fuck. Like, Sherlock Holmes would overdose before figuring out what this shit means.

Arn post #12

Arn post #14

Arn post #15

5. xiz

Null. Has a history of meta-shenanigans with posts, but went out of the way to find relevant strips to crop that clearly expressed a relevant opinion on everything important. Not getting a bad feeling here, and I definitely wouldn't go for a D0 lynch on xiz unless something crazy revealing happens.

6. runescapedude

Null, slight wolf. If town, fuck him. This playstyle literally helps wolves more than townies, even if he does flip green. Needless insults and contentless bait and fluff for the 6 posts, until calling out MML for not initiating chats in discord in his seventh post. Where are your chats in discord, Zezima? Where's your initiative? Where's your contribution at all? Even well after the shitposting phase, you said in your eighth and most recent post that you were going to comment on AA, but keep it mild. You then proceeded to not mention anything about AA and fill that post with fluff that didn't even have anything to do with AA. Really bothered by you so far, trolling doesn't help town.

MML Dig

Aragaki "feedback"

inb4 "man I love it when my bait gets a response"

7. roundbox

Slight green, still forming my opinion on him but votes, logic, and willingness to contribute helpful reads makes me feel better about this one being green. No lynch D0.

8. red blaster

Nothing but conjecture here. He's an experienced player, so why isn't he here?

9. storn

Totes null. Even his votes and logs were null. I'd like to see a lot more content and reads coming from you before D0 finishes, storn (:

10. dabackpack

Fairly green, but not as convinced as I was earlier. His logic is sound, and his targets seem true, but he's smart enough to change his meta here during a mystery game and clever enough to be prepared to follow through with sticking to his town meta. Wouldn't be too difficult for him to have learned how to imitate town since his last game. Still, he was helpful with everyone except Charu, and was willing to contribute and collaborate. Slightly more than slightly green. Wouldn't go for a D0 lynch.

With that said, if drizzle flips green then there's a good chance DBP flips red.

11. MixMasterLar

My strongest green read atm. He's really digging, and is super active in thread and in PMs. He's consistent in his logic and his actions, and is just generally projecting green. Definitely wouldn't go for a D0 Lynch.

12. drizzleromancegirl

Read the logs below. I think she's red, but there's also that 15-20% that makes it still possible that I may have misread initially and she's just a nervous towny playing badly and defending herself poorly. I'm really hoping I'm wrong about her, but every time I lower her mafia score from 80% to 70% she bumps it right back up. Essentially, we had clicked before the game started and had a pretty long conversation about a variety of personal topics. One that that made an impression on me was her absolute sincerity and devotion to fairness. It was at the point where, when I shared with her the tip that the shiptype you choose in the PM might impact the role you were given, and linked a wiki article listing different types of ships that seemed very similar to mafia roles (the ship descriptions even included which ships were night-specialized like scum, seeker-oriented like trackers, bulletproof blue oriented, or just town), her response was extremely insistent on levelling the playing field by sharing the link and info with everyone else. I was against this suggestion, because I was no idea whether I was about to flip wolf or not and really didn't like the idea of spoiling whatever edge I might have started with. The idea of hiding it and using it to her advantage alone genuinely seemed to hurt her conscience, however, and so I agreed to let her share it on the condition that she not expose that I was the one who sent it to her, lest people wonder why I was only sharing info with her.
Our conversation ended with a fun agreement to team up once the game started. Given her persona, I expected an early PM to start the collaboration. Instead, she went cold and was reactive to things that weren't aimed at her (see pms for examples), then switched once called out and started trying to feign indifference, then went on the attack. When I tried reaching out to her, it took her seven hours (and several log ins and log outs) before she responded, and even that was hesitant. Also, the whole 15-20m conversation happened while she was on appear-offline.

Still, despite all the suspiciousness thus far, I'm still willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, drizzle. PLEASE, if you're town, talk to me or explain yourself a bit better in thread.

13. gradiant

Mostly null, potentially slight green lean because of other people's logs and seriousness of the few posts he did make. Wouldn't go for a D0 lynch unless some damning evidence turned up.

14. XelNya

Mostly green. Lots of hunting, lots of talking. Mostly solid logic. Slightly reactive, but that's not necessarily wolfish. Definitely not a D0 Lynch.

15. tokzic

Totally null. Where you at, bud? I know you're on the road, but 20 minutes at a rest stop and the discord app + tapatalk will keep you fully updated and participating in this game. Please get back to us. I'd avoid a D0 lynch here unless we were completely divided otherwise, but even then I'd be hesitant.

Logs.

I'll eventually post all my logs, but there's a couple things I'd prefer to wait for first. I will, by popular demand, publish the drizzle log, and you can refer to my logs with Xel and DBP and my really long conversation with MML for the thread post reference and my other thoughts. Also, she wasn't lying about any of the posts she posted, aside from an omission in the first one that shows the time gap between my initial greeting and her response. We really did have a short conversation, but that was only because I didn't respond after the few things I said were sidestepped by an attack on AA she had just made with backwards (imho) logic. Also, as I said above, she was appearing offline for this conversation, and discord said she was typing on and off for a few minutes before she eventually responded with just "yeah i just posted that i think AA is suspicious"

DRG Log:

**YoshL** · 07-12-2016, 10:44 AM

Re: TWG CLV: Boats

Votes from post 1 to post 514
Night in 9:17:12
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Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
2 -- AragakiAyase -- Xiz (13), Charu (62)
2 -- runescapedude1126 -- roundbox (12), XelNya (77)
1 -- Arntonach -- DaBackpack (79)
1 -- drizzleRomanceGirl -- MixMasterLar (72)
1 -- Charu -- Red Blaster (6)
1 -- Xiz -- drizzleRomanceGirl (48)
1 -- storn42 -- storn42 (11)
2 -- unvote -- ShadoWolfe (23), AragakiAyase (65)
4 -- not voting -- Arntonach (15), Gradiant (19), runescapedude1126 (8), Tokzic (1)

insta is at 8

**Xiz** · 07-12-2016, 11:33 AM

Re: TWG CLV: Boats

Originally posted by XelNya

we're not just playing a two faction game here frens, I'm willing to bet on that

xelnya

mixmaster

**AragakiAyase** · 07-12-2016, 11:56 AM

Re: TWG CLV: Boats

Originally posted by drizzleRomanceGirl

also, i only changed my accusation of him because i made most of the accusations without reading his post carefully enough, and he refuted most of the points i made

i'm still a little suspicious of him because of the way he posted so many reads based on private messages, but that's the only reason i find him suspicious, and i think Xiz is a lot more suspicious

Do you see me talking to a lot of people in thread?

Would your perspective change if all my conversations were public in thread? Given that no one has accused me of faking my logs it's a safe assumption that I didn't edit them in any way.

Regardless of the answers to the above two questions, I find it much easier to talk to someone over voice or in PM for two reasons: one, getting ahold of people on forum is harder. Two, the format of forum means that quick back and forth discussion is not as easy.

**Gradiant** · 07-12-2016, 12:44 PM

Re: TWG CLV: Boats

Originally posted by MixMasterLar

Oh, and was going to wait until Driz got back and dug a deeper hole but she's totally lying about the extent of her conversations with Shado. My logs prove it, and hell even what Gradiant copied from our conversation proved it. She was entertaining the idea of teaming up with him pre game but decided to keep her distance after the rolls. Why she would decide to try and act like that little bit was all there was to it doesn't make sense and I don't feel bad parking a vote on her for it.

Plus, shit have you talked to Shado? I don't believe for a sec he had that short of a conversation rofl.

The bit she shared was what happened during the actual game so far. If logs during actual game were cut, I'd say that is damning. Only way logs during actual game were cut was if Shado didn't share it all since he was the one that gave the log to you.

**Gradiant** · 07-12-2016, 12:46 PM

Re: TWG CLV: Desperate Rafts

Originally posted by ShadoWolfe

11. MixMasterLar
He's consistent in his logic

This made me snort rootbeer onto my desk

**Red Blaster** · 07-12-2016, 01:04 PM

Re: TWG CLV: Desperate Rafts

Originally posted by Gradiant

This made me snort rootbeer onto my desk

what a waste of a good beverage

**XelNya** · 07-12-2016, 01:40 PM

Re: TWG CLV: Boats

Originally posted by Xiz

xelnya

mixmaster

I'm pretty sure this is one of the weakest things I've seen you do in a game, and it's not even a strong push

I dunno what you're doin

xiz you ok mang?

**XelNya** · 07-12-2016, 01:48 PM

Re: TWG CLV: Desperate Rafts

Originally posted by Red Blaster

what a waste of a good beverage

get the hell in here and do work fren

you gotta have SOMETHING by now if you've been reading at all

**Red Blaster** · 07-12-2016, 01:52 PM

Re: TWG CLV: Desperate Rafts

Originally posted by XelNya

get the hell in here and do work fren

you gotta have SOMETHING by now if you've been reading at all

lets talk somewhere private

**Red Blaster** · 07-12-2016, 02:11 PM

Re: TWG CLV: Desperate Rafts

Originally posted by Red Blaster

lets talk somewhere private

or you can ignore my pm's

**Tokzic** · 07-12-2016, 02:16 PM

Re: TWG CLV: Boats

Alright, I finally made some time to figure out what's going on and hopefully make game-winning snap reads!!

Sorry for being dead weight so far. My trip ends tomorrow so I'm gonna go hard soon.

TWG CLV: Boats

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