TWG Turbo II Game Thread

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

first real post is this one

I've lost all knowledge of player metas so I have to base actions purely off of what the intention is and not if it is usual for a person to do so

I'm confused mainly on a hypo situation because there's what two-three outcomes of doing so?

I called him out early on for that being fake, makes it worse now that I realize he didn't even bother thinking and trying to figure out the outcomes of hypoing here

I'm mainly confused on why a hypo is the best d0 course right now, though I can't say I completely disagree with it

There's things we can learn from doing so but god forbid the cop gets hit during the first night I'm going to be rather upset especially with no other PRs and it'll turn this game into a wolfhunt that consists of pure scumhunting with no outside influences.

this has been brought up already but this is bad, first part especially where he acts confused but remains extremely neutral at the same time

I'm just scared haha

I don't want cop death n1 fam

fake

True I guess, I've watched hypo situations happen more than I've taken part in them so I'm pretty unfamiliar with the scenario that plays out

I'll trust the veterans to guide me through the scenario though

you've done fakeclaims before, you've even done roleswaps, this is utter bullshit and you "trusting the veterans to guide you" is a way of removing accountability

Did you know red peeks cannot even happen yet?

Do you really think even if possible that a blatant distancing attempt would be able to form speculation this early in the game?

Maybe I can see you having the thought of us two together from tinfoil but it seriously cannot be serious until at least d1

typical zenith post here but he basically shoots down ymia because "it's too early". I didn't really like ymia's speculation but there's not really a too early

It's just I'm confused about the scenario as a whole due to not having enough experience to know what happens, though having multiple hypochecks on a single player provides two things, one of which I'm confused about:

1) Doesn't this openly invite wolves to throw this hypo check on something that'll receive no flak? This is what I'm confused about.

and

2) This forces wolves to choose between three people (unless a wolf is the one that threw a hypo on said player) in attempts to get the cop, which I find this situation good in town's eyes.

I'm also confused on why everyone has to hypo. I understand the more hypos the better the chance that cop has to survive, and it's possible that the cop didn't even hypo, though I'm just not concrete in the scenario from lack of experience.

this shows that you very clearly understand how this works, and yes, having 3 people check me at the start was great for town

then you hardclaimed cop

fuck you baiting the cop, it was fine where it was

Yes it did actually thank you for screaming to go read that game.

Let me ask you because you just flipped your read on me, would seeing my flip give more insight as to what Funny is?

Someone said a post where if you pressure Funny, she'll start reeling in attempts to catch herself or some iteration of that, and honestly that's what I feel like I'm seeing with her posts right now.

If it helps in any way to determine where I am, I'm the real cop with my d0 check being on Red Blaster.

this is so fake, you weren't under any pressure or anything, you just say "oh I'm the real cop, here's my check". absolutely unnecessary


ok I think I've gone over the more recent stuff especially where he gets all mixed up saying how he was confused

definitely can lynch zenith today

[Charu]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

In light of the fact that "It's very easy for charu to just let zenith dig his own grave", the inherent problem with that is that "it's very easy". Both CK and I, at least, believe you're underestimating Charu as a player in that you think he will by default go for the "very easy" route. You're basing this off of your own meta reads but we are also basing off of meta reads.

Wolves doing intentionally dumb things makes dumb things slightly less dumb

As dumb as that sounds, ha

Don't stroke my ego, you foolish fool of fools!

[AragakiAyase]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

In light of the fact that "It's very easy for charu to just let zenith dig his own grave", the inherent problem with that is that "it's very easy". Both CK and I, at least, believe you're underestimating Charu as a player in that you think he will by default go for the "very easy" route. You're basing this off of your own meta reads but we are also basing off of meta reads.

Wolves doing intentionally dumb things makes dumb things slightly less dumb

As dumb as that sounds, ha

ok, since you seem to want to leave charu open as a lynch option, why do you think he's scummy?

[yo man im awesome]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

But you were OKAY with it. I think if you actually were, you would've changed your vote at that point.

I'm pretty sure I made it very clear that I wanted Zenith dead first. And not everyone else who had brought up the "plan" instantly changed votes either, why is mine a problem when I was one of the first people advocating to lynch Zenith?

[Charu]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

Because you specifically said that it was OKAY. Everyone else kind of just went "Uh... I don't know... maybe?"

No one really agreed with my view until like... 10 minute until or something, and even still, no one was really saying "You're absolutely right, I'm okay with this."

[Xiz]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

So, about charu:

Without better words to explain it, Charu is doing a good job at being town, but that doesn't mean he is town.


During the whole D1 lovefest, when red blaster outed, somewhere later charu stated that he is 100% sure Red blaster is not the cop. I believe charu would know better that red blaster WOULD fall for zeniths shitpost claim, which is why I believe charu attempted to do a soft(?) to attempt to take a bullet to keep town going.

HOWEVER

This could be used the same way, proving he is actually scum. Charu is someone who when red and zenith were fighting could squeeze in that soft to use this soft as a trump card later proving he is town, attempting to take a bullet for redblaster.


Now, this post:

Zenith is probably still a town, but mechanically right here we're FORCED to do this.

We are not forced to do this. But that doesn't mean i'm against a zenith lynch because I still absolutely am. I hate how you keep saying he is town, with you adding words like probably or might at the end because it's not a good mentality to be in as town at all. Also, if charu is a wolf here, this would be the optimal stance for charu to be in, considering charu's D1 stance on zenith.



In response to AA:

because I have confidence in my ability to read him

see how he's exploring all options? if zenith is somehow town and charu is wolfing, it's very easy for charu to just let zenith dig his own grave

if they're both wolves, charu would probably bus him

but instead, charu advocates for zenith and tries to get people to consider alternatives

I see your point on being confident about charu, but I don't see charu exploring all options yet.

The bolded sentence is a terrible, terrible sentence to have you say imo. To me its more of:
if charu AND zenith are wolves = safe bussing, with the possibility to hop last minute
if charu is only a wolf = showing zenith mercy is what I have seen charu do in previous games
if charu is town and zenith wolf = Cool
if charu and zenith are town = im very wrong this game


And for funnygurl:

charu now that I think about it it's weird that youre not convinced he's a wolf but want to kill him anyway

I went more into depth on this, and I take back what I said about not liking the read. Funny just didn't explain it I think? Unless im wrong?

[Xiz]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

so tl;dr

Charu could very well be a wolf here, and I think charu should be on the table today. I could def see a zenith + charu pairing. I'm still thinking about and am not convinced.


Meanwhile, can someone explain their argument on ymia because I don't see it at all

[yo man im awesome]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

ok, since you seem to want to leave charu open as a lynch option, why do you think he's scummy?

Call it OMGUS, but Charu's basically called me a wolf, essentially laughed in my face with intense hubris that he's correct, and his argument is that I voted Zenith off of initial gut reads followed up by the fuck-all cop situation. That's scummy to me, tied with the tone he's taken this entire game essentially doing what I did antagonizing players last turbo.

It's kind of ironic to be honest. The very thing I'm attacking Charu for is something I myself am basically doing. His attack feels baseless and he has little evidence beyond his gut-read. I also don't have any specific post in particular that damns him as a wolf, but with the knowledge of my own role as town along with the fact that I believe his sarcasm in general feels considerably more direct, and almost condescending as opposed to previous games, it just feels very odd.

He's since claimed, again jokingly, that I can take essentially as retribution, but even if that were to be true, to me that me feel like he's even scummier, because it feels like a roleswap, where he "get's retribution" on me now that he's a wolf and gets to "embarrass" me now that I'm a town.

I just believe his picked his words very interestingly.

[yo man im awesome]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

Because you specifically said that it was OKAY. Everyone else kind of just went "Uh... I don't know... maybe?"

No one really agreed with my view until like... 10 minute until or something, and even still, no one was really saying "You're absolutely right, I'm okay with this."

I think AA did, off the top of my head.

[Cold Kitten]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

yo i'm still lynching zenith today tbh

the ONLY other person i could be convinced of TODAY is charu but that is very very unlikely

i'm probably leading us down a black hole i am so sorry

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

An official votecount of the day 0 lynch has been posted at post #813

[Xiz]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

cold, thoughts on aa now?

[Charu]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

So, about charu:

Without better words to explain it, Charu is doing a good job at being town, but that doesn't mean he is town.

Again with the ego stroking, what in the world is going on?

During the whole D1 lovefest, when red blaster outed, somewhere later charu stated that he is 100% sure Red blaster is not the cop. I believe charu would know better that red blaster WOULD fall for zeniths shitpost claim, which is why I believe charu attempted to do a soft(?) to attempt to take a bullet to keep town going.

HOWEVER

This could be used the same way, proving he is actually scum. Charu is someone who when red and zenith were fighting could squeeze in that soft to use this soft as a trump card later proving he is town, attempting to take a bullet for redblaster.

. . .?

Trump card, how? One could argue I didn't do a good job on maintaining that facade this time around, something that I did very well last turbo. Just look at my posting history after I made that third claim. Unless you're saying I was in your face about it, then I did a very horrible job at portraying as such. Anyone with a brain could deduce that later on if I was gonna be using that moment as a trump card.

Or maybe now that you mention it, I can make it my trump card, hmm? Or rather, cast some dirt on me when it matters? I'm curious about you now, Xiz.

Now, this post: (My post about being FORCED to lynch Zenith)


We are not forced to do this. But that doesn't mean i'm against a zenith lynch because I still absolutely am. I hate how you keep saying he is town, with you adding words like probably or might at the end because it's not a good mentality to be in as town at all. Also, if charu is a wolf here, this would be the optimal stance for charu to be in, considering charu's D1 stance on zenith.

I want you to elaborate more on this piece of info, if you don't mind. How would it be optimal for me if I were a wolf? Why would you lynch anyone else OTHER than Zenith here?

[Charu]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

yo i'm still lynching zenith today tbh

the ONLY other person i could be convinced of TODAY is charu but that is very very unlikely

i'm probably leading us down a black hole i am so sorry

Oh, now your stance has changed on me?

Very well, I'll ask again too then.

Do you think I'm a wolf?

Yes or No

[Cold Kitten]

Re: TWG Turbo II Game Thread

zenith

sorry guys i'm not seeing compelling arguments right now. i cannot let zenith continue to be alive at this point, and that is why i'm angry he did this, even if he is town, which i still don't believe.

this feels SO reminiscent of previous wolf games for him, i cannot ignore it