11th Official Tournament - Round 8

[.Gazelle.]

Re: 11th Official Tournament - Round 1

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[hi19hi19]

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that walrus mental kid is the one trolling lmao

ll sephirothll

[flashpantss]

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[User1176756]

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c'mon d5 let's keep the tradition going where badman gets eliminated round 1 and in trying fashion.

[Killionz]

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Well, as one of the roadkill in that precise gap you are mentioning, I agree.
I also think that it's probably more work than you realize to create another division.
You get used to it. 2 Officials ago I was roadkill at the bottom of D5, then last official I worked my butt off and got 2nd place in D5.
Now I'm dead at the bottom of D6. I'd rather that than have the tournament become such a project it never happens at all.


This has been suggested. The question is, where do you draw the line?
While I agree the like 60+ people in D5 is probably too big, I'd love to hear your argument for the ideal size of a division.


Yeah this has happened in the past and is pretty stupid. Sometimes people ask to get bumped up, which is fine, but otherwise doing this involuntarily has as far as I can tell pretty much always been regarded as a mistake. I hope it doesn't happen this year. If people are truly sandbagging just ban them.

Thank you, I can see that this is affecting you, and quite a few other people in D6. I'm not saying that you have to divvy up the tournament in to A & B for each division (however, it would almost have to be set up that way to be fair), but the reality is, there is a LOW D6, a mid-range D6, and a high-range D6 (those that will AAA [ and I'm sure the round will end with at LEAST 20-30 more people AAA'ing that file]). That is an issue, and I feel as though it will turn a lot of people off, after being knocked out in round 1. There is a great amount of set up & organizing that needs to be done for tournaments in general, but you should have the resources and team available to do so, and this seems like there were a minuscule amount helping out, and it was rushed. It doesn't have to be a project that becomes so "grueling" that it never happens at all. However, if it is not set up properly, and the majority of people that entered are pissed off enough over certain things, it probably shouldn't have happened, period.

This is tricky, and the solution to this would be extraordinarily variable, but after talking to a few people, and looking over some things, it would almost be better off divided up like this:
D1: 10-25
D2: 26-35
D3: 36-45
D4: 46-55
D5: 56-65
D6: 66-75
D7: 76-85
D8: 85+

This would allow for less of a "gap" to be formed in D6, and still hold as challenging for each player, in each division. There's other prospects to that argument, but I'll just refer to the latter for now. I'm not even trying to argue with anyone here. I appreciate the work that each and every organizer & staff member put in to this tournament, and am very appreciative that I could be a part of it, but some changes need to be made in order to keep everyone in line, and happy with what they can ACTUALLY ("cough" d2/d4 "cough") do.

This is an issue that can be avoided easily, as you already stated. If someone is TRULY sandbagging, why even keep them as part of the community. I don't understand... A tournament is a big thing for a community, and if someone wants to be that UNFAIR about it, kick their ass... don't allow them to come back. You won't make EVERYONE happy, but you can at least try your hardest. Bumping them up a division is not going to solve anything, I assure you. As far as people being bumped up involuntarily, or perhaps, NOT per their request, that's actually lame, especially if it happens during the tournament. If you can't determine someone's skill level prior to the tournament, and feel the need to bump them up AFTER a couple rounds, that's absolutely unfair to them, and absolutely a mistake. Something like that should not happen at all, ever.

[Walrusizer]

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just remove divisions so winning the tournament is actually skill based rather than being at the high end of your division based

[AragakiAyase]

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stop fighting. the game is shit and dead and i dont understand why you guys even made another official lol

that's rich coming after this

i just hope in the next official tournament they can make appropriate songs for appropriate divisions. the D4 round 1 song is like D5/ end round tourny song.

[Cold Kitten]

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D1: 10-25
D2: 26-35
D3: 36-45
D4: 46-55
D5: 56-65
D6: 66-75
D7: 76-85
D8: 85+

you're funny

[MikeShinoda12345]

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I want to be more careful of what I say because I feel like I'm on the upper end of my division and therefore have an inherent bias in favor of this tournament's structure, but I really like the idea of beginning the tournament at higher levels of difficulty and feel like much of the complaining is simply due to this being unexpected given previous tournaments

To perform well on a difficult song drives improvement AND is more fun than whoring a song repeatedly to shave a couple goods off your SDG. AAA-or-die cutoffs are less indicative of skill, I feel, and I'm really happy to see things moving in this direction and understand that the FFR staff have needed to intentionally request a lot of high-difficulty files from stepfilers in order to make this tournament play out this way

edit: yeah this is in response specifically to the song thing and not the larger debate about divisions

[blanky!]

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Oook so since my earlier post didn't garner any responses...

I'm not saying that you have to divvy up the tournament in to A & B for each division (however, it would almost have to be set up that way to be fair), but the reality is, there is a LOW D6, a mid-range D6, and a high-range D6 (those that will AAA [ and I'm sure the round will end with at LEAST 20-30 more people AAA'ing that file]). That is an issue, and I feel as though it will turn a lot of people off, after being knocked out in round 1. There is a great amount of set up & organizing that needs to be done for tournaments in general, but you should have the resources and team available to do so, and this seems like there were a minuscule amount helping out, and it was rushed. It doesn't have to be a project that becomes so "grueling" that it never happens at all. However, if it is not set up properly, and the majority of people that entered are pissed off enough over certain things, it probably shouldn't have happened, period.

This is tricky, and the solution to this would be extraordinarily variable, but after talking to a few people, and looking over some things, it would almost be better off divided up like this:
D1: 10-25
D2: 26-35
D3: 36-45
D4: 46-55
D5: 56-65
D6: 66-75
D7: 76-85
D8: 85+

This would allow for less of a "gap" to be formed in D6, and still hold as challenging for each player, in each division. There's other prospects to that argument, but I'll just refer to the latter for now. I'm not even trying to argue with anyone here. I appreciate the work that each and every organizer & staff member put in to this tournament, and am very appreciative that I could be a part of it, but some changes need to be made in order to keep everyone in line, and happy with what they can ACTUALLY ("cough" d2/d4 "cough") do.

This is an issue that can be avoided easily, as you already stated. If someone is TRULY sandbagging, why even keep them as part of the community. I don't understand... A tournament is a big thing for a community, and if someone wants to be that UNFAIR about it, kick their ass... don't allow them to come back. You won't make EVERYONE happy, but you can at least try your hardest. Bumping them up a division is not going to solve anything, I assure you. As far as people being bumped up involuntarily, or perhaps, NOT per their request, that's actually lame, especially if it happens during the tournament. If you can't determine someone's skill level prior to the tournament, and feel the need to bump them up AFTER a couple rounds, that's absolutely unfair to them, and absolutely a mistake. Something like that should not happen at all, ever.

Welcome to the insanity that we call FFR.

[Killionz]

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just remove divisions so winning the tournament is actually skill based rather than being at the high end of your division based

Mmm, spicy, but methinks you're hinting at FFR vs. Osumania, which is what I was trying to avoid, and will continue to avoid, because it bears no relevance.
This is a completely different game format, as such per the tournaments.

[AragakiAyase]

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long post

as has been said earlier, where do you draw the line? There's always going to be a skill gap between divisions unless there's literally a division for each player. how big the gap seems to be is relative to the tournament structure, i.e. D5/D6 may seem bigger compared to say D3

[One Winged Angel]

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I mean the solution to every 'problem' in this thread is pretty obvious..

How many people entered this tournament and why isn't it equal to the number of divisions we have?

You're welcome tournament staff

[Killionz]

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you're funny

Because I made a suggestion? I don't expect anyone to listen to me, care, or really hear me out, but I'm getting my voice out there about all of this. I think that this is a very intelligent debate, with good suggestions, and I love debating with people on this. However, you, have added nothing intelligent to this. So if you'd like to hop in on this and discuss how you feel, go right ahead. If you're going to chip in two words, that have no relevance to what I said, I could really care less about what you have to say.

However, everyone has an opinion, as do I, so thank you for hopping in.

[Killionz]

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as has been said earlier, where do you draw the line? There's always going to be a skill gap between divisions unless there's literally a division for each player. how big the gap seems to be is relative to the tournament structure, i.e. D5/D6 may seem bigger compared to say D3

There we go, this is what I ACTUALLY wanted to see.