TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

[roundbox]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Given that I am an anti-wagoner, anyone who isn't on this train is more likely to be suspect that a dirty wagon or a wolf rush. Keep that in mind, roundbox.

Is this a threat to revoke a townread on me? Weren't you just messaging me that I was one of the last players in this game that you actually trust?

[YoshL]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Votes from post 1437 to post 1752
Night in 6:05:38
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• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 4 -- dLGN -- AragakiAyase (69), DaBackpack (52), storn42 (16), rzr (28)
• 1 -- XelNya -- roundbox (18)
• 1 -- storn42 -- dLGN (107)
• 2 -- not voting -- botchi246 (0), XelNya (18)

1 from insta

I'm gonna be leaving in like a half hour, danceguy will be taking over host stuff. if insta does happen while i'm out (or EoD), danceguy has the permission to post end of day flip, and initiate the 24 hour night phase (to be started from the general time of the end of phase, rounded to nearest half hour)

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Is this a threat to revoke a townread on me? Weren't you just messaging me that I was one of the last players in this game that you actually trust?

Last players?

I have said over and over that I trust you, roundbox.
But that more people have produced reasons not to trust you than reasons I have to trust you.
I do not make threats - I assume whatever status I think fits the bill. In the dlgn being a wolf world, his partners are most li9kry yourself or Xel, both conclusions I've already explained.

You, having hard defended him long time and hard to come around to seeing him as scum
Xel as someone I see dlgn distancing himself from, and I've stated I think there is an inactive wolf between xel/storn.
If I did not answer your question (because I don't understand it) please rephrase or clarify.

[dLGN]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

you are one of the worst players I have ever had the displeasure of playing with. this game will thankfully be our last.

[rzr]

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I guess YoshL shouldn't have asked such a negative player to play. You are doing a very poor job convincing anyone not to lynch you. Evidently, you're brain is so far superior to the rest of us (as are your Mafia skills) that there's no point in playing with us.

If you think you are that much better than everyone else, than I say this for everyone, fuck off. Nobody needs or deserves your condescending anti-town behavior. If you are town you have a lot to learn about finding wolves and convincing your teammates that you are human. I'm sorry you cannot see around that - when you flip as a wolf it will make much more sense and I hope, after you're busted, you stay to play with us. If you flip human and decide to leave us that's fine, I totally get it.

But remember that you are the one who is calling us dense and stupid. You are the one who refuses to answer questions about partners and any skepticism anybody shows against you. You have sold your own case. You accuse x and z of being wolves, but back it up with nothing except saying " I already posted you idiots." You have ignored all logic that can support your claims and you have deterred any motive town has had to support you.

If you're town I really hope you come back and try to stay with us, we all have a lot to learn from each other.

If you are a wolf I think you need to learn to shut the fuck up and talk to people as humans not a discongnisant robot that you think you can cast shade on. If you are town please allow ourselves to reconcile and find a better way to play together. If you are a wolf, you're a douche bag and need to learn your place.

[AragakiAyase]

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PSA: in 2 hours I will not be able to check the thread more than once an hour (if that). dlgn has given me no reason to move my vote from him so far and unless that changes I'm not moving. I may or may not be back for eod

[dLGN]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

I compare dlgn to Xiz in many ways so far, in the sense that he seemed almost joyous and deflecting of town oriented issues. Sometimes even anti-town. That all resonates with me because Xiz his that blue mark when flipped. I want dlgn to explain himself as town and not redundant, I want him to explain his clearing of roundbox, and I want much more of a case against storn/AA.

But he doesn't want to offer anything. Dlgn is delectinf in what can be construed as a lazy mannor or an unmotivated mannor. Again, sadly, this is what Xiz did.

I have hundreds of posts. Pages of interactions. Communication around the clock. Do not use the words lazy or unmotivated with my name in the same sentence unless you'd like to get flamed. Also, if you want to bury me, stop saying I remind of you someone who flipped human. Doing so hurts your case when you keep saying you can see me as a human and doesn't look better for you when I do flip human and you are basically documented as refusing to accept that even though you noticed it. I've thrown you a rope too many times now. Also, you look like an idiot when you ask me for something, say I refuse to contribute anything, and then post the following minutes later SPECIFICALLY FOR YOU:

rzr is interested in getting into my mind so here is something:

in recent days I've been trying to decide what to do with xel, largely from posts in this thread. he tends to post some disjointed statements broken over a few consecutive posts and then dip before really fleshing out the points. I see him around a good bit and so it's been frustrating because a lot of it isn't very alignment indicative. then he posted his logs and I re-read ours and I remembered how good it struck me at the time. I just hadn't looked back at it since then and quite frankly forgot about it. here's my assessment:

xelnya [5:44 AM]
Gonna ask this out of pure curiosity and for when you log in again, have you played TWG on ffr before? It feels like you have.


asks a question that isn't leading or loaded. it's not clear what the "correct" answer is, and I'm not sure there is one. he hints at his motivation for asking, being that I don't seem as new as my post-count suggests, but doesn't imply much with that.

I respond.

dlgn [11:04 AM]
i have not!

[11:05]
i have played on 2+2 forum and I play video mafia very often on twitch.tv/dailymafia and ryuzilla's stream, but this is my first time on FFR!

xelnya [6:20 PM]
Explains a lot about why your play is so weird.

accepts this as an explanation for reading my play in such a way that he decided to ask me about it, even calling it weird.


xelnya [6:23 PM]
I will say watching you and rzr kinda going at it has been at least amusing

it probably is amusing from an outsider's pov. I'm just bashing my head against a wall and hoping I am not wrong to think he is town.


xelnya [6:26 PM]
Like let's be frank you just game right out the gate swinging with a "guys the game is literally this easy" sorta post which to me originally didn't sit well tbh

now drops just what about my play was so weird to him, and why he may not think I am town this game. which if you look back to last night was exactly what he brought up when deciding that perhaps I am not town like he read me and that my opening possibly could be wolfy, like he suspected.

his thoughts are consistent, he seems to be evaluating the information as it is provided and asking for more where he does not have it. he's not constructing a narrative or forcing nonsense. he's not calling me out in the thread before politely inquiring.

I forgot about that interaction until recently but after seeing it again I'm pretty confident he's town.

so there is some insight into how I work. I look for what seem like genuine moments of towniness. anybody can write up accusations using quotes and say that they are town for using "logic" in their pushes(AA) and those who don't are wolves. but true town ACT IT, and I think xel was truly being town in coming to me with those questions/comments.

and then you bitch about my "production" again:

Yet have you? And I am seriously trying to humor you. What have you produced?
I've asked you to elaborate on reads that you call me dumb for not paying attention to. Again, you are discouraging to town. Here's the log folks

r [12:26 AM] 
Thoughts on xel?

dlgn [12:26 AM] 
dunno, not a priority for me

rzr [12:27 AM] 
I didn't ask that

dlgn [12:27 AM] 
my thoughts

​[12:27] 
are I don't know

rzr [12:27 AM] 
You're on storn for the same reasons that I suspect xel

dlgn [12:27 AM] 
and I am more interested in other people right now

​[12:27] 
ok?

rzr [12:28 AM] 
You have absolutely no opinion on xel and aren't interested in exploring if he could be a wolf? or a partner to your suspect?

dlgn [12:28 AM] 
i dont see them together like you do

rzr [12:29 AM] 
I've said I think a storn/xel team is very unlikely

​[12:29] 
I think between them one is scum and I would also tend to say that role is the movie stalker as it implies inactivity to begin with

dlgn [12:29 AM] 
i think that is pure speculation

​[12:29] 
but you're entitled to that

rzr [12:30 AM] 
It's not likely that both wolves are ridiculously inactive imo

​[12:30] 
which supports both of our ideas

dlgn [12:30 AM] 
i really don't know, I need to step away from the game for a little i think

​[12:31] 
too frustrated

rzr [1:25 PM] 
hey

​[1:25] 
I hopewe can talk cordially

dlgn [1:25 PM] 
sure

rzr [1:37 PM] 
So I was just looking for a stronger case against AA

​[1:37] 
Sadly I guess, he's struck me as town most of the game

dlgn [1:37 PM] 
you get that you are doing exactly what you accuse me of

​[1:37] 
right?

​[1:38] 
you're demanding that I prove something to you

​[1:38] 
while saying ummm yeah I thought about what you said but I think something else

​[1:38] 
and that's supposed to be perfectly acceptable for me

​[1:38] 
that helps me ZERO

​[1:38] 
i have no idea why you townread AA

​[1:38] 
same as you don't understand my points

​[1:39] 
so gtfo with your bullshit you're pushing in the thread

rzr [1:40 PM] 
I'm not demanding, I'm just trying to get a clear idea of where you are coming from.  No offense, but you ignored my question here. I'm looking for a stronger case on AA, which in essense supports you.
Please let go of your frustration with me, I understand it, but it's not in any way helping us

dlgn [1:41 PM] 
you don't understand how I play

​[1:41] 
even though I have told you 10 times

​[1:41] 
I try to find towns and understand the thoughts and motivations behind peoples' posts/quetsions/pushes

​[1:42] 
AA is one of the people I have the least towny moments from

​[1:42] 
let me find an example for you, one sec

rzr [1:44 PM] 
Thank you

​[1:44] 
And I'm sorry if I'm coming across as misunderstanding or aggressive

​[1:44] 
I'm trying to put into my mind the image that you have

I'm trying hard to be neutral with dlgn. I have asked him to explain his thoughts as town, I have pushed him as wolf. He has run us in circles, he has beat around the bush, and worst yet he has been an ass hole to anyone who tried to defy his "authority."

Dlgn, by definition, is defensive and deflecting
dlgn, by definition, is more toxic/deterimenal to human cause and has been thus far.

For the record dlgn, if you want to convince us how town you are, try actually explaining your point of view. I tried saying over and over and over I'm giving you the benefit of thedoubt - if you want to convince me storn and AA are scum than go ahead. You have called me stupid and by no means answered any questions raised. You are a shitty wolf and you should have died d1 instead if gradiant, I hope next time your town game
actually helps town, and if you are a wolf, get better at it.


I will no longer be wasting my communication on dlgn, I have posted all current logs and will address any immediate questions. Don't waste my fucking time anymore.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF THE WORD DEFLECT? WHAT/WHOM AM I DEFLECTING TOWARD? I AM ANSWERING YOUR BULLSHIT AND YOU ARE CALLING IT A DEFLECTION AND THAT MAKES LITERALLY ZERO SENSE. I accept that I have been an asshole, but you need to accept that you are miserable to play with. "Try explaining your point of view" WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU CALL WHAT I AM DOING? Like I told you exactly what I thought about xel and how I THINK THEY ARE TOWN AND LIKE THEM NOW and you are calling that "distancing". You are literally retarded.

Last players?

I have said over and over that I trust you, roundbox.
But that more people have produced reasons not to trust you than reasons I have to trust you.
I do not make threats - I assume whatever status I think fits the bill. In the dlgn being a wolf world, his partners are most li9kry yourself or Xel, both conclusions I've already explained.

You, having hard defended him long time and hard to come around to seeing him as scum
Xel as someone I see dlgn distancing himself from, and I've stated I think there is an inactive wolf between xel/storn.
If I did not answer your question (because I don't understand it) please rephrase or clarify.

I AM NOT DISTANCING FROM XEL, I AM CALLING THEM TOWN, GET IT FUCKING RIGHT. I have literally zero faith in you to read a game and solve it. I don't even want to tell you the horrible ideas that are going through my mind right now to try and get you on what I think is the right track.

Given that I am an anti-wagoner, anyone who isn't on this train is more likely to be suspect that a dirty wagon or a wolf rush. Keep that in mind, roundbox.

"I have said over and over that I trust you, roundbox.
But that more people have produced reasons not to trust you than reasons I have to trust you."

This is such a disgusting line. If I am right about roundbox you are mafiasiding purely because you are wrong on me. You aren't independently reading roundbox anymore. You aren't independently reading xel. I don't even know why you townread either AA or Storn (despite asking) - for all I know those are mostly based on me, too. You're making up nonsense based on a faulty premise and it's actually disgusting.

If we had a mislynch I would actually enjoy getting you lynched and I very rarely do that to progress the game, but, alas, I don't know if we have that luxury right now. If you are a wolf then gg you got me to believe you're actually just as dumb as a potato.

[rzr]

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I thik if dlgn is town he should explain a better reason to lynch storn/AA instead of bitching why we shouldn't lynch him.

If he is town I am backing the fuck off in the next game because apparently I have no idea how to read. If he is wolf, I stand by everything I've ever said.

[dLGN]

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I guess YoshL shouldn't have asked such a negative player to play. You are doing a very poor job convincing anyone not to lynch you. Evidently, you're brain is so far superior to the rest of us (as are your Mafia skills) that there's no point in playing with us.

If you think you are that much better than everyone else, than I say this for everyone, fuck off. Nobody needs or deserves your condescending anti-town behavior. If you are town you have a lot to learn about finding wolves and convincing your teammates that you are human. I'm sorry you cannot see around that - when you flip as a wolf it will make much more sense and I hope, after you're busted, you stay to play with us. If you flip human and decide to leave us that's fine, I totally get it.

But remember that you are the one who is calling us dense and stupid. You are the one who refuses to answer questions about partners and any skepticism anybody shows against you. You have sold your own case. You accuse x and z of being wolves, but back it up with nothing except saying " I already posted you idiots." You have ignored all logic that can support your claims and you have deterred any motive town has had to support you.

If you're town I really hope you come back and try to stay with us, we all have a lot to learn from each other.

If you are a wolf I think you need to learn to shut the fuck up and talk to people as humans not a discongnisant robot that you think you can cast shade on. If you are town please allow ourselves to reconcile and find a better way to play together. If you are a wolf, you're a douche bag and need to learn your place.

YoshL didn't get me to play. But I am not exactly proud of how I have come across this game, sure. It is what it is.

I am sorry you can't realize that I am human.

I am calling you stupid. Please just don't vote botchi, ok? Will it help you to never vote on him if I call him my "top wolf"? Just keep that between us, ok? Please?

If I were a wolf I wouldn't feel bad at all about how I was playing. I know to leave things in the game once it ends and hope you can, too. But I'm not a wolf, and I do feel a little bad, because I do think you are likely town, and I apparently "ruined the game" for you d1. That's pretty shitty. I was trying super hard to give town the best chances to win. Especially early game, and I think if you actually read my ideas from back then, you would realize that.

But you apparently can't, for one reason or another. If I do die today, just realize that you may not have a reason to townread AA? or storn? and you may not have a reason to scumread roundbox? or xel? and idk what to do with backpack, i'm frustrated with him for other reasons that he is aware of.

[dLGN]

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If he is town I am backing the fuck off in the next game because apparently I have no idea how to read.

(clap) (clap)

[dLGN]

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xel after being mia, basically laughing about it by quoting my post, saying hi, and leaving, and then returning to my vote on him, actually laughed at storn for thinking I am a wolf. that's impressive if he's a wolf. it's so easy to get on my wagon. sure, from your pov, that could be teammates, but remember I have roundbox defending me, too. I can't have 2 (alive) teammates.

I know xel ended up voting me and that's fair, I told you already I think he's doing it for the right reasons and based on a slight early scumread that he thinks my recent behavior supports more than convinces him otherwise.

compare that to storn who has done nothing, does not respond to my repeated questions about what he quoted when voting me and what he was thinking at the time, and has doubled down on it. not a single person should think he is town anymore. my 5 second read based on his entrance into the game doesn't cut it anymore. and afaik that is the read AA is sheeping to avoid considering him and his scummy behavior? which is pretty laughable, if that's the case.

[rzr]

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For the record, dlgn won't even respond to my messages in chat. He will respond to hings here. What does that say?

[dLGN]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

it says nothing except that I am addressing content on the forums right now. you want it to say something, though =/

[AragakiAyase]

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and afaik that is the read AA is sheeping to avoid considering him and his scummy behavior? which is pretty laughable, if that's the case.

this is not the case, I've said multiple times why I townread storn and I'll say it again:

1. his pushes against V. V was being near universally townread so for storn to push on him really stands out and shows he's thinking for himself. In addition to that, pushing on V can often result in the spotlight on you instead which a wolf would be more wary of.

2. His attempt to reaction test dbp. he's looking for partners, for connections between players. He wanted to see if he could catch someone out on a bad reaction given a hypothetical scenario.

3. tone

4. not giving a shit

[dLGN]

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idk why zix left a dying message to trust AA, idk if he was pocketed or if that read is solid. I don't. storn saying 'we should have listened, he was right all along' or something like that seems kinda TMI because he was siding that way but did next to nothing to stop it?

he's wrong here and needs to be pressed hard to actually give content here on out.

rzr is probably town and it hurts to say that every time.

i don't know what backpack is and wish I could pretend he wasn't in this game. if I lose to him as a wolf I don't feel so bad because we probably both should have been modkilled.

i gave you why I think xel could be town.

roundbox seems town because I don't see the value in doing all of the work he did to call me town. a dead town is better than a pocketed town, as a wolf. he could have killed me and not looked bad for it. instead he defended me, and pretty well. it's probably not a pocket, he's very likely town.

kill between AA and storn next.