TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

[storn42]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

i also have a habbit of giving people the wrong read on me. i rarely live past D2

[dLGN]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

i also have a habbit of giving people the wrong read on me. i rarely live past D2

so am I mafia for gut reading you town d1 ? find it unlikely for me to have read you correctly? or...?

[dLGN]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

if you don't realize I am laughing at your read on me

[storn42]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

so am I mafia for gut reading you town d1 ? find it unlikely for me to have read you correctly? or...?

no, im just voting for you because you're scummy as fuck.

[storn42]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

i mean, i could vote for dbp. but reads dont earn many town points. let me get my museum set up with why i think you're scummy as all fuck.

also, as the Resident Storn Expert™, I think storn's green this game

[dLGN]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

well at least you're consistent in finding people who read you town to be losing the game for town XD

[YoshL]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Votes from post 820 to post 1295
Night in 0:53:11
---

• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 5 -- Xiz -- Charu (12), dLGN (57), Tokzic (15), botchi246 (3), DaBackpack (51)
• 2 -- Tokzic -- Xiz (76), Vendetta21 (106)
• 1 -- storn42 -- rzr (40)
• 1 -- dLGN -- storn42 (24)
• 1 -- unvote -- AragakiAyase (60)
• 2 -- not voting -- roundbox (13), XelNya (15)

[storn42]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Exhibit A

this paragraph in particular makes it feel like you could be a wolf taking advantage of knowing the village prs identities and night strategy

____


Exhibit B

rzr
fml lol

dLGN is 100% not a lynch candidate guys

rzr is major sketch though

_____


Exhibit C

gradiant

because lol.

gradiant self0pres

_____

Exhibit D

xiz

almost immediately after EoD, AA's first thought is to check in with Xiz: "Bro we didn't kill you"

look at the tone and what is really being said with this line

xiz

______________________


Ok my degree in wagonomics points towards you being scum. notice how both dbp AND dlgn had wagons on them that got nowhere, but they seem to be on quite a few on the other popular ones together. this just doesn't add up.

[storn42]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

btw Exhibit A is just to show how everyone though you were scum in the begining. that was the first good post i found labeling you as scum/

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Exhibit B: I thought dlgn was a hobo trying to find his partner, and he said he nailed a wolf in rzr

Exhibit C: I might have died if I didn't self-pres

Exhibit D: I have been grilling Xiz constantly since the end of D1

[storn42]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

the only question i have is who is the third wheel?

[storn42]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

i mean it doesn't help that the only people i have to talk to are the ones i want to lynch. where the fuck is everyone 35 minutes to EoD

[Tokzic]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

there's a few more people in the slack than are making posts but yes the activity this eod is pretty disappointing

[XelNya]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Is there anything off slack i need to see

Post it here or thru my skype so i can read plz

I have like 30 minutes

[Xiz]

Re: TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live)

Below is an entire chat log with EVERYONE up to 30 mins before EOD, when I made this. I'm expecting to die today, so please if you have any final questions or want reads list please let me know.

dabackpack [1:34 PM]
who would you lynch today if you had to decide right now

xiz [1:52 PM]
grad prob

dabackpack [2:00 PM]
why

xiz [2:05 PM]
lack of content

[2:05]
at all

[2:05]
also congratz you are person #4 to pm me

[2:06]
no effort in moving the game along

[2:06]
no anything

dabackpack [2:08 PM]
I see

xiz [7:05 PM]
yo

dabackpack [7:05 PM]
hi

xiz [7:05 PM]
can you link me that pastebin wtih dlgn again

[7:05]
i dont feel like scrolling up

[7:05]
and i cant find it its crashing my browser

dabackpack [7:06 PM]
with me?

xiz [7:06 PM]
ye

dabackpack [7:06 PM]

http://pastebin.com/TUkkJDee

Pastebin
dlgn/dab - Pastebin.com (8KB)


xiz [7:06 PM]
ty


----- December 6th -----
dabackpack [9:48 PM]
are you just trying to get botchi and tokzic to talk

xiz [10:59 PM]
just is the wrong word

[10:59]
but getting closer


----- Today December 8th, 2015 -----
xiz [7:20 PM]
Look, I see you as town so im just gonna leave this here for if i get lynched.

[7:20]
work with AA and V.

[7:20]
and no this isnt an attempt to get you to swap

dabackpack [7:21 PM]
alright

xiz [7:21 PM]
just have that there for if i flip blue, thx

dabackpack [7:21 PM]
who is a partner with tokzic, do you think

xiz [7:21 PM]
you know for the longest time i was thinking dlgn

[7:22]
but like

[7:22]
he did one thing

dabackpack [7:22 PM]
who is 100% dead if you flip blue

xiz [7:22 PM]
tokzic obvi

dabackpack [7:22 PM]
tokzic I mean

xiz [7:22 PM]
but dlgn went from "xiz is mafia" to "xiz could be mafia"

[7:22]
so he went from pure scum to prob scum

[7:22]
also pressure roundbox

[7:22]
because he posts, but none of it is really content, its a lot of filler

dabackpack [7:22 PM]
alright

xiz [7:22 PM]
ummm, charu and xel i believe there is a wolf between them

[7:23]
no way they both are, that would be fucking retarded

dabackpack [7:23 PM]
I think you should post all of your convos

xiz [7:23 PM]
i pretty much did, i havent had a lot of interaction thats hidden... but okay

dabackpack [7:23 PM]
just in 1 doc is fine

xiz [7:23 PM]
anyone in particular?

[7:24]
or all

dabackpack [7:24 PM]
all convos you have

[7:24]
including this one

xiz [7:24 PM]
aight

xiz [4:12 PM]
well wait

[4:12]
UNLESS

[4:12]
lets say that i was hidden

[4:13]
and i wanted you to out as the blue

[4:13]
and to hide in a specific area

[4:13]
wait no

aragakiayase [4:13 PM]
well

xiz [4:13 PM]
nvm i dont think that would work

aragakiayase [4:13 PM]
you could get wolves to target that area?

[4:13]
but you'd have to pass that info to a specific person you thought was wolfy

[4:13]
but even then they could have their partner do it

[4:13]
so it doesn't really work

xiz [4:13 PM]
the chances of that are so minimal

[4:13]
and i doubt tokzic could do that

aragakiayase [4:14 PM]
who were you going to seer if toxzic hadn't taken the booth

xiz [4:14 PM]
v lol

[4:14]
i questioned it until last night

[4:14]
when we were talking in thread

[4:14]
then i knew he was town

[4:14]
pretty much what tokzic did was prevent a seering from happening

[4:15]
well wait wolves cant use it right?

aragakiayase [4:15 PM]
but didn't he seer dbp?

[4:15]
no they can

xiz [4:15 PM]
or can they

[4:15]
oh

[4:15]
shit

[4:15]
then that seering could be anything

aragakiayase [4:15 PM]
he seered dbp correctly but if he's a wolf that doesn't help

[4:15]
the seering tells us nothing except that he atcually used the booth

[4:15]
unless he lolguessed

xiz [4:15 PM]
yea

[4:15]
i doubt he used it on a teammate

[4:16]
because when tokzic flips wolf, people will go to dpb next out of instinct

[4:16]
but thats usually what dumb town do

aragakiayase [4:16 PM]
wait why will people go to dbp next

xiz [4:16 PM]
because he was the seer target, and people might think he is a partner with tokzic getting a free ride

[4:16]
pretty much it can go either way

aragakiayase [4:16 PM]
oh but

xiz [4:16 PM]
but people lynching dpb based on that logic is flawed and stupid

aragakiayase [4:16 PM]
the reason people were saying dbp would be clear

[4:16]
actually no if toxzic flips scum dbp is clear

[4:17]
UNLESS

[4:17]
here are the two scenarios

[4:17]
if toxzic is scum

[4:17]
there's the movie stalker stuck in the movie theater

[4:17]
and the wolf who closed the room

[4:17]
so if dbp was actually in the dino den then there's no way he's wolf

[4:17]
but if he's a wolf too

xiz [4:17 PM]
i was in the dd

[4:17]
also

aragakiayase [4:17 PM]
then toxzic could easily have said he was in the dd

[4:17]
when dbp was actually in the AC control room

[4:17]
and no one can verify

[4:17]
so yeah it doesn't help us

[4:17]
and I'm going to post that because people are clearing dbp because of it

xiz [4:17 PM]
good idea

[4:18]
does my logic and my plan make sense to you now, in regards to what i did and why?

aragakiayase [4:19 PM]
yes

[4:19]
but I feel like it wasn't successful

[4:19]
at least in baiting people out

xiz [4:19 PM]
it could have been really successful but it steered out of control fast

aragakiayase [4:19 PM]
people piled on you too fast

xiz [4:19 PM]
When in doubt, lynch Xiz

aragakiayase [4:19 PM]
you were at L-2 at one point only 1.5 hours after day started

xiz [4:20 PM]
It would not have passed

[4:20]
i remember v saying "someone add more pressure on him" in slack

[4:20]
also i had a vote on myself

[4:20]
oh shit i still do

aragakiayase [4:20 PM]
lmao

[4:20]
ok I was going through your list of people but I got sidetracked

[4:20]
dlgn is pretty null for me still

[4:21]
he had some really scummy behavior early on

[4:21]
with the whole opening, demanding that hobos claim to him, and insistence that people have to townread him or they're bad/scum

[4:21]
but I talked to him a bit in slack and he seemed pretty towny

[4:21]
he seemed like he wanted people to not be wrong

[4:21]
at the same time, that comes off to me as wanting everyone to see his perspective though

[4:21]
also his insistence that people townread him is gross to me

[4:22]
I'm also pretty null on charu, I was originally scumreading him for not doing shit (also nwo that you mention it tunneling on the gradiant phrase is bad too)

[4:22]
but someone pointed out that at the time there were too many people not doing shit to scumread everyone doing that

[4:22]
xel/charu/gradiant/storn

[4:23]
maybe even roundbox to an extent because I still feel like he's mostly filler

xiz [4:23 PM]

https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FUXLM34/p1449530554000189

^ You mixed up charu and xel here
Ethanaragakiayase
I'm also pretty null on charu, I was originally scumreading him for not doing shit (also nwo that you mention it tunneling on the gradiant phrase is bad too)
Yesterday at 4:22 PM

[4:23]
xel tunneled on gard

[4:23]
well not tunneled

aragakiayase [4:23 PM]
did I? https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FU...49528689000008
Vincexiz
charu - hasnt done shit. He said he wasnt paying attention then wants me dead for wanting gradiant dead and not looking at anything else. I'd say wolf.
Yesterday at 3:51 PM

xiz [4:23 PM]
actually, he swapped at the last sdecond

[4:23]
oh

aragakiayase [4:23 PM]
both didn't do shit in d1

[4:24]
xel actually did more than charu

xiz [4:24 PM]
charu wants ME dead for ME targeting gradiant

aragakiayase [4:24 PM]
yes

[4:24]
but he's focusing on the "we killed gradiant phrase"

[4:24]
when that's not even incriminating

[4:24]
I interpreted as more like

[4:24]
"wow I can't believe we killed gradiant"

[4:24]
what the correct interpretation is irrelevant at this point

[4:24]
but he's tunneled onto something that isn't conclusive

[4:25]
he's failing to reevaluate things

[4:25]
dlgn pointed out some post of his though that sounded super towny to him

[4:25]
let me find it

[4:26]

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?p=4380571#post4380571

TWG CXLIV - The Freeze Wars (Sex Live) The Werewolf Game

[4:26]
it was here, I think the series of responses to rzr's reads posts

[4:26]
I'm still unsure about charu though

[4:26]
because he says some weird things

[4:26]
like last game he had this very intentional phrase that he said to ymia who was town

[4:27]
everyone thought he was scum and he flipped doctor

[4:27]
xelnya on the other hand I think is definitely wolf

[4:27]
as you said he did a 180, and I asked him about it. he said that he's had work and also that OOT means that I can't accurately gauge his amount of work that he's putting in

[4:28]
and then on top of that he said "
they have no idea how I am being in pms and stuff

[4:01]
It would take a town discussion full throttle to get that cleared and we'd see that coming I think"

[4:28]
it sounds super wolfy that he's basically saying "no one can verify my work done unless everyone talks about it so you can't use that as a reason to question me"

[4:33]
dlgn is dumb

[4:33]
but that doesn't lean me either way

xiz [4:34 PM]
i dont know what do do about him

[4:34]
also

[4:34]
you know who has been even more UTR then charu and xel

[4:34]
is roundbox lol

aragakiayase [4:34 PM]
I was going to mention that

[4:35]
he's said a lot of stuff

xiz [4:35 PM]
i couldnt possibly be more null on him

aragakiayase [4:35 PM]
but it's not content

xiz [4:35 PM]
^

aragakiayase [4:35 PM]
most of what he says is setup

xiz [4:35 PM]
he is a good person to look at later


----- Today December 8th, 2015 -----
xiz [10:12 AM]
I need you to do me a favor

[10:13]
people are now realizing that i am real, once my wagon breaks down i want you to notice who blindly swaps votes over to tokzic

[10:13]
or who blindly swaps to someone random

aragakiayase [10:13 AM]
ok

[10:13]
round?

xiz [10:13 AM]
because since most people made a huge and hard push on me, its important to catch those who suddenly just go "lol this person"

aragakiayase [10:13 AM]
er whoops

[10:13]
jumped to a random spot and responded

[10:13]
fucking touchpad lol

xiz [10:13 AM]
wat? lol

aragakiayase [10:13 AM]
yeah my screen jumped up a bunch

[10:14]
scrolled to "you know who has been more UTR"

xiz [10:14 AM]
oh lol

aragakiayase [10:14 AM]
if you're town like I think you are

[10:14]
I'm going to laugh at DBP

xiz [10:14 AM]
ive said it before and ill say it again

[10:15]
im really afraid DBP wants me dead just because he wants revenge

[10:15]
and its clouded his judgement

aragakiayase [10:15 AM]
what game was this where you killed him

[10:15]
just curious

xiz [10:15 AM]
I'll link it

[10:15]
tl;dr i found out he was a blue

[10:15]
so i counterclaimed with a soft i setup since post 1

[10:16]
and he actually got really really mad

[10:16]
x.x

[10:16]
let me find it

aragakiayase [10:16 AM]
lol dlgn still wants you dead

[10:16]
he's slipped utr

xiz [10:17 AM]
you know like

[10:18]
im forced to think he is mafia

[10:18]
by ignoring everything that JUST happened

[10:18]
but like

[10:18]
uggghh

aragakiayase [10:18 AM]
you mean he did this? https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0FU...49595090000032
Vincexiz
by ignoring everything that JUST happened
Today at 10:18 AM

[10:19]
he's cherry picking right now

[10:20]
ugh the tinfoil is real

xiz [10:21 AM]
here it is

[10:21]
im jumping to my claim

[10:21]

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showthread.php?t=140968&page=45

Page 45- TWGCXXVIII - The Inferno War TWG Archives

aragakiayase [10:22 AM]
was manti town

xiz [10:22 AM]
ye

[10:22]
keep reading

[10:23]
see how end of day went

[10:24]
pretty much dbp got so mad he posted a screenshot of his role after he got lynched off

[10:24]
(it was i think my best wolf play ever lol)

aragakiayase [10:28 AM]
oh lmfao

[10:28]
it seems it got deleted

xiz [10:30 AM]
yeah lol, manti was like "no fk that bye ban"

aragakiayase [10:30 AM]
who were wolves

[10:30]
blind

xiz [10:30 AM]
Blind and redblaster

aragakiayase [10:31 AM]
lol figures

xiz [10:52 AM]
i think you should speak up in thread

[10:52]
because its just dlgn, v, myself and tokzic rn

aragakiayase [10:53 AM]
sorry I've been in class and I think I just got food poisoning

xiz [10:54 AM]
oh fuck

[10:54]
take your time

bendetta [5:29 PM]
It shows you sent me two messages but my phone is not displaying them, please resend

xiz [5:30 PM]
read the game thread

[4:06]
imo gradiant

[4:06]
like last 10 posts

dlgn [4:06 PM]
his reaction wasn't even good, but it's hard to think he's a wolf

[4:06]
i didn't like him from the start

xiz [4:06 PM]
gradiant make a big oopsie

dlgn [4:06 PM]
and he didn't care for me

[4:06]
i asked about that

[4:06]
i don't see the slip tbh

[4:06]
he's kind of assuming you are town

[4:06]
that's implied when he reads what you are saying as a "joke"

[4:07]
without explicitly calling you town

[4:07]
but if you think that is a slip in some other way

[4:07]
i'm not sure what it is

xiz [4:07 PM]
hm

[4:07]
i think you need to re-read gradiants posts again

[4:08]
because the way you worded that makes you really fuckin suspicious

[4:08]
go back and read it then msg me

dlgn [4:08 PM]
??

[4:08]
super confused

xiz [4:08 PM]
read gradiants posts again

[4:08]
do it now.

dlgn [4:08 PM]
yeah i'm going

xiz [4:08 PM]
*in thread

dlgn [4:09 PM]
ohhhhhh

[4:09]
LMAO

[4:09]
LMFAO

[4:09]
HE SAID THAT WITH A VOTE PARKED ON YOU

[4:09]
HAHAHAHHAHAHA

[4:09]
GG

[4:09]
wtf is wrong with me LOL

[4:10]
i even said that in my question about what the slip is

[4:10]
hahahahahaha

xiz [4:10 PM]
I hope you know this makes you town-lean to scum-lean

dlgn [4:10 PM]
that's fine

[4:10]
hahahaha

xiz [4:11 PM]
ill prob be posting that later somewhere, depending on if we kill grad and what his flip is

dlgn [4:11 PM]
if he doesn't flip wolf >__<

[4:11]
i don't know how that happens

xiz [4:11 PM]
did you have me confused with someone

dlgn [4:12 PM]
nope not at all

[5:30]
seems as though he knew that gradiant knew that i was town

[5:30]
even though i clearly said im a wolf

[5:31]
i RATHER kill gradiant because im more confident in it over dlgn, but if grad flips wolf then im pretty confident dlgn is as well


----- December 6th -----
xiz [9:06 PM]
let fucking someone else pressure me

[9:06]
dont blow this

bendetta [9:19 PM]
i dont know what that means

xiz [9:19 PM]
of c not

[9:19]
im trying to get people to talk more

[9:20]
but you keep hogging the damn thread

[9:20]
i want the people hiding from behind to actually speak about me and pressure me

[9:20]
so im trying to act like this so people can try to pin me down

[9:20]
and see who doesnt

[9:20]
then find the scum out of that

[9:20]
but like for the whole fucking time you have been hogging the thread

[9:20]
lucklly now things are starting to show from it

[9:20]
got charu talking at least

[9:21]
but like, when i was saying "stop giving me away" i meant it lol

bendetta [9:21 PM]
i am pressuring you because i intend to kill you

xiz [9:21 PM]
okay fine let someone else do it also

bendetta [9:21 PM]
weirdly veiled secret plays aren't something i agree with in this scenario

xiz [9:21 PM]
because i know you dont wanna hear it but i actually am a real one

[9:21]
well tough shit because im playing differently then i usually do :O

[9:22]
i know big shocker

bendetta [9:22 PM]
and you are probably going to get killed for it if you want to keep things locked up in secret channels and make poor play decisions

[9:22]
do you want to post this conversation or should i

xiz [9:22 PM]
poor to you for not fucking realizing this

[9:22]
you go for it

[9:23]
i mean might as well now since it calmed down in thread

bendetta [9:23 PM]
okay

xiz [9:23 PM]
my goal was to get more people in the background to talk and pressure but you literally wouldnt let that happen and decided to hog it for yourself

[9:23]
make sure to add that line in there as well

xiz [11:09 PM]
yo, out of game talk for a sec. I'm sad I didn't get to see you in Seattle when I lived there. I will be flying back because im being invited to a conf in april if ya wanna grab a beer!


----- Today December 8th, 2015 -----
xiz [6:29 PM]
if i die, work with AA because i trust him the most, you 2nd

xiz [10:57 AM]
please try to post more in the thread

[10:57]
also +1 avatar

xiz [10:56 AM]
please post more in thread if you can

[10:56]
new info came up and id like your opinion

dlgn [3:25 PM]
xiz [2:55 PM]
[8:20]
I thought that you were a homeless guy, and you were trying to find your partner

[8:20]
And then you got 2 responses, leading you to doubt one of them: rzr

xiz [3:08 PM]
there is something very important that is telling about that phrase that i linked

[3:25]
i'm curious what this meant to you

xiz [3:59 PM]
hi

[3:59]
congratz on being person #5 to pm me

[3:59]
pretty much i think i know what you are doing

dlgn [3:59 PM]
eh you're like one of 3 I haven't talked with

[3:59]
and considering I have a vote on you and you seem to be reconsidering a lot figured I should talk with you

xiz [4:00 PM]
oh i havent really cared about you

[4:00]
lol

dlgn [4:00 PM]
you're not the first to think you know what I am up to when I myself don't XD

xiz [4:00 PM]
ive reconsidered because of someone else

dlgn [4:00 PM]
idk who that would be

[4:00]
botchi?

xiz [4:00 PM]
its very similar to something ive seen in the past

[4:00]
so thats why

[4:01]
and im not sure if i wanna tell rn

[4:01]
but pretty much i was convinced to get off of rzr

[4:01]
if gradiant flips scum then that will tell a lot

[4:01]
hes the best canidate imo, ill get a lot more info about who based on this

dlgn [4:01 PM]
aa contributed to that a bit but yeah, it's hard for me to see rzr as a wolf now

[4:01]
i agree tbh

[4:02]
but I feel silly agreeing with you lmao

[4:02]
a few hours ago I thought you were only pushing town but your reads changed very fast

[4:04]
and I went from rzr to you and i'm unsure where to go next, at this point i think I may have too many town so i'm trying to not clear people too strongly in my mind

[4:04]
especially considering that I hard defend my townreads, typically

xiz [4:05 PM]
i sometimes vote people who i think are town to get them to get them to talk more

dlgn [4:05 PM]
though I didn't know it at the time that may have been my biggest mistake wrt rzr lmao

xiz [4:05 PM]
read the game thread

[4:06]
imo gradiant

[4:06]
like last 10 posts

dlgn [4:06 PM]
his reaction wasn't even good, but it's hard to think he's a wolf

[4:06]
i didn't like him from the start

xiz [4:06 PM]
gradiant make a big oopsie

dlgn [4:06 PM]
and he didn't care for me

[4:06]
i asked about that

[4:06]
i don't see the slip tbh

[4:06]
he's kind of assuming you are town

[4:06]
that's implied when he reads what you are saying as a "joke"

[4:07]
without explicitly calling you town

[4:07]
but if you think that is a slip in some other way

[4:07]
i'm not sure what it is

xiz [4:07 PM]
hm

[4:07]
i think you need to re-read gradiants posts again

[4:08]
because the way you worded that makes you really fuckin suspicious

[4:08]
go back and read it then msg me

dlgn [4:08 PM]
??

[4:08]
super confused

xiz [4:08 PM]
read gradiants posts again

[4:08]
do it now.

dlgn [4:08 PM]
yeah i'm going

xiz [4:08 PM]
*in thread

dlgn [4:09 PM]
ohhhhhh

[4:09]
LMAO

[4:09]
LMFAO

[4:09]
HE SAID THAT WITH A VOTE PARKED ON YOU

[4:09]
HAHAHAHHAHAHA

[4:09]
GG

[4:09]
wtf is wrong with me LOL

[4:10]
i even said that in my question about what the slip is

[4:10]
hahahahahaha

xiz [4:10 PM]
I hope you know this makes you town-lean to scum-lean

dlgn [4:10 PM]
that's fine

[4:10]
hahahaha

xiz [4:11 PM]
ill prob be posting that later somewhere, depending on if we kill grad and what his flip is

dlgn [4:11 PM]
if he doesn't flip wolf >__<

[4:11]
i don't know how that happens

xiz [4:11 PM]
did you have me confused with someone

dlgn [4:12 PM]
nope not at all

[4:12]
i fully understood the implications of his joking phrasing

[4:12]
and knew that he was voting you

[4:12]
but somehow did not put the two together

[4:12]
which is incredibly embarrassing

[4:13]
my two comments:

i'm not crazy about gradiant and don't feel so good about the fact that he's the one voting with me on xiz but wtf part of what he said was a slip?!?


i don't see the slip tbh
he's kind of assuming you are town
that's implied when he reads what you are saying as a "joke"
without explicitly calling you town

[4:13]
I think I need to go for a walk haha

xiz [7:03 PM]
just realized you were from DM

[7:03]
have we played before

dlgn [7:03 PM]
i play all the time

[7:03]
you'd know

xiz [7:03 PM]
i think probably once

[7:03]
i usually play with sunfan

dlgn [7:03 PM]
greg is one of my favourite people from DM

xiz [7:03 PM]
ye

dlgn [7:03 PM]
i wish someone would sub out of this game

xiz [7:03 PM]
yo sick ill look out for you next time i play there

dlgn [7:04 PM]
and he would tell you all to fuck off

[7:04]
XD

xiz [7:04 PM]
lol

dlgn [7:04 PM]
but yeah

xiz [7:04 PM]
when greg started playing twg i used to read him so fuckin well and wreck his shit

dlgn [7:04 PM]
i tried to play the game going on right now

xiz [7:04 PM]
then he got good lol

dlgn [7:04 PM]
and will play g2 whenever that is

[7:04]
he's very good, always has read me well, and fooled me many times

xiz [7:04 PM]
i might join that, depending on when

dlgn [7:04 PM]
sure, i can send you a message just to ask

xiz [7:04 PM]
depends if i wanna osu or that

[7:04]
ye sick

[7:07]
i used to play on dm a lot more like a year ago but then people got so hardcore about it where some would swear on their child's life and it got kinda bm lol

[7:07]
its calmed down a lot thankfully

dlgn [7:07 PM]
haha yeah

xiz [7:07 PM]
at least, from what ive noticed

dlgn [7:07 PM]
i'm nice when I play DM, i promise

xiz [7:07 PM]
i might be :stuck_out_tongue:

dlgn [7:07 PM]
i have fun going ham in these games tho XD

xiz [7:07 PM]
oh me 2 dude

[7:08]
i never hold back lol

dlgn [7:08 PM]
haha good, hope you have fun this game

xiz [7:08 PM]
u2 m8

xiz [10:57 AM]
please try to post more in the thread. a bunch of new info came up.

roundbox [11:00 AM]
Haven't had time to check today. I'm at school atm

rzr [1:02 PM]
sup fam

xiz [1:02 PM]
congratz you are person #3 to message me

rzr [1:02 PM]
that's it?

xiz [1:02 PM]
yup

rzr [1:02 PM]
you're the last person for me to msg lol

xiz [1:03 PM]
literally nobody has bothered talking to me

[1:03]
which actually tells a lot

rzr [1:03 PM]
To be fair some might be intimidared

xiz [1:03 PM]
exactly

rzr [1:03 PM]
ted*

xiz [1:03 PM]
i feel as though the wolves are weak this game

[1:03]
wait wtf why are they intimidated i suck

rzr [1:03 PM]
I'd agree - but I think they have a strong leader

[1:03]
Nobody knows that

[1:04]
imo you're a vet - vets are intimidating lol

xiz [1:04 PM]
Thats a very wolfy thing for you to say lol

rzr [1:04 PM]
That I'd be intimidated by a vet?

xiz [1:04 PM]
so here is the deal

[1:04]
someone is vouching for you hard

[1:04]
im giving you the benifit of the doubt

rzr [1:04 PM]
oy vey

xiz [1:04 PM]
but here is the thing

rzr [1:04 PM]
Okay

xiz [1:04 PM]

https://twig.slack.com/archives/D0G0DUSAZ/p1449345832000014

rzr
I'd agree - but I think they have a strong leader
Dec 5th at 1:03 PM

[1:04]
that means that you know you have a strong leader

[1:04]
as it means you are confirming wolf

[1:05]
that usually is a huge slip for wolves

rzr [1:05 PM]
Oh yeah- I have little doubt that dlgn is a wolf (and at this point a bad one)
I also think the points raised on dbp are extremely valid

xiz [1:05 PM]
meaning your partner is someone like V

rzr [1:05 PM]
that being said

[1:05]
I also expressed thinking roundbox could be pulling it off again. After talking with him I was more convinced of his humanity

[1:05]
but a few others agree that a lot of distancing betwen dlgn and roundbox has gone down

[1:06]
and I meant that to say that if dlgn and dbp are wolves, there's only a few left out there to "lead the pack"

[1:06]
I hope that helps

xiz [1:07 PM]
(replied to you)

[1:07]
what specifically with RB

rzr [1:08 PM]
at this point or where I start5ed coming from?

[1:08]
nvm

[1:08]
either way - same answer

[1:09]
roundbox is the player I go back with the most - I am most intimidated by him.
He plays a great wolf game and even better town game.
Last game as a wolf he fooled everyone till the last minute, and he did that by "not" progressing the game, being quiet ITT, etc

[1:09]
Which, up until recently, was the same thing he's done thus far

xiz [1:10 PM]
good to know

rzr [1:11 PM]
I suppose

xiz [1:11 PM]
im keeping my thoughts about him private right now

[1:11]
for a reeeeeeeason

rzr [1:11 PM]
I don't think round is a wolf really any more - but I do stand by what I said about them having a good leader. If dap/dlgn were scum I'd find it hard to believe botchi was their 3rd partner.
But by no means do I outrule it

xiz [1:15 PM]
if you are scum

[1:15]
just know im giving you a pass for that

[1:15]
becuase thats like two big strikes of what you have done so far

[1:15]
besides giving a towns list read before people have even spoken yet

[1:15]
those usually are the signs of wolf, like 100%

rzr [1:16 PM]
Haha thanks
I wish I were, I prefer being scum, but like I was saying I'm horrible at it - my tell is "illogical logic." And I think I try to be overly analytical as town, hence my constant reads posts etc

xiz [1:16 PM]
whats concerning is how long its taking you to type this message

[1:16]
ah there we go long message

rzr [1:16 PM]
haha

xiz [1:16 PM]
never mind

[1:17]
stop editing messages its also incriminating

rzr [1:17 PM]
I have never edited a message

xiz [1:17 PM]
when you type, you backspace and re-edit

[1:17]
i dont mean editing after you hit send

[1:17]
like as you are typing

[1:17]
if you are hooman

rzr [1:17 PM]
Oh yeah, sorry haha, I'm at work and I work in a call center so it's like second nature lol

xiz [1:18 PM]
its a good way to spot da woof woof

[1:18]
ye all good

rzr [1:18 PM]
trying too hard to look prtty


----- December 6th -----
rzr [1:02 PM]
yoo

xiz [9:02 PM]
forgot you messaged me

[9:03]
oop

rzr [9:06 PM]
all good pimp

[9:06]
what you up to

[9:06]
thoughts on botchi?

xiz [9:07 PM]
have you played games w him before

[9:07]
and is he new to twg

rzr [9:08 PM]
I have never played twg with him, but he hosted the last toruney I was in lol

[9:08]
he is completely new

xiz [9:10 PM]
interesting

rzr [9:10 PM]
whys that

[9:11]
you think he has the balls to claim like that as scum? or do you think he could just be new and thihnking it's a good play?

[9:11]
assuming he was scum

xiz [9:17 PM]
who knows

[9:17]
well i have my thoughts

[9:17]
and i already said em

[9:17]
why you dont know that is interesting for how closely you have been paying attention to me

rzr [9:18 PM]
I have not been paying close attention to anyone

[9:18]
just whatever happens in PM land and ITT

[9:18]
could you link me?

rzr [11:37 PM]
check it: if you are town who do you think tokzic would be partners with??


----- Today December 8th, 2015 -----
xiz [10:53 AM]
i never answered my b

[10:53]
im still trying to figure out who his partners are

[10:53]
there are so many people that havent been talking especially with all this crutial information its as if people are not reading the thread

[10:53]
such as yourself

[10:54]
i really think you should speak up in thread, especially with the new information on the table

rzr [10:56 AM]
Any recommended direction?
I've talked a decent amount in here, but the current page of the thread I haven't looked at yet in detail (I'm at work).

[10:57]
To be clear, I suspect you far more than Tokzic. But I was the one that originally pointed out Tokzic could be lying and wanted to at least try to give you the benefit of the doubt. So anything special?

xiz [10:58 AM]
tl;dr v caught tokzic in a lie about his seering claim

[10:58]
but i really want you to read it for yourself

[10:58]
so its not like im being bias

[10:58]
you need to read it for yourself

xiz [4:17 PM]
tl;dr

[4:17]
i think you are town

[4:17]
i think you should lead a bit

[4:17]
because you sitting back makes me think you are no longer town lol

tokzic [4:17 PM]
dude i posted a killer plan and nobody said anything about it

xiz [4:17 PM]
was it in slack

[4:17]
if so i skipped it

tokzic [4:17 PM]
ok v said "i'd like it better if two hobos claimed"

[4:18]
and i said "yes we could do that too"

[4:18]
and then that was the end of it

[4:18]
no it was in thread

xiz [4:18 PM]
oh wtf i missed that

[4:18]
gg me

[4:18]
cool so you are claiming a hobo

[4:18]
let me just nightkill-AW FUCK CANT NIGHTKILL

tokzic [4:19 PM]
don't worry if you want to kill me you can find me in the bathrooms

xiz [4:19 PM]
i think i said i was going to hide in the bathroom too

[4:19]
like yesterday

[4:19]
but idk ill prob go to the DD

tokzic [4:20 PM]
i really wish v wasn't clogging up the kidz zone

[4:20]
hobos get more useful the later in the game they keep freezeproof

xiz [4:20 PM]
is there a downside to hobo's publically claiming

tokzic [4:21 PM]
no lmfao

[4:21]
there is an upside to them holding off

[4:21]
and that is that wolves have more trouble spoofing bad reads

xiz [4:21 PM]
o shit never considered that

tokzic [4:21 PM]
but they definitely should both be on the table by d2

xiz [4:22 PM]
depending on how many people die prob

[4:22]
well actually

[4:22]
eeeeeh

[4:22]
if nobody dies, it might not be good

[4:22]
well

[4:22]
idk let me think about that

tokzic [4:22 PM]
yeah i can see where you're coming from with that

[4:23]
as long as they get their claims out before there's a risk of them dying

[4:23]
if one of them fucks up and gets killed before claiming that'd be awful

[4:24]
with my plan we could guarantee freezeproof status all the way to d3

xiz [4:25 PM]
i like that better then whatever else has been thrown out

tokzic [4:29 PM]
i'm one of the hobos

[4:29]
i'm going to take your advice

[4:29]
and start leading more

[4:30]
before the rules change i was kind of trying to bait a wolf into going for a claim

[4:30]
but it didn't take and now that wolves can hide in kidz zone it's kind of moot anyway

xiz [4:33 PM]
like you cant die in the night so

[4:34]
no harm in leading

[4:34]
like if there is 3 hobos then i'll reconsider you but as of now im fine with it

[4:34]
also i like your vote on gradiant

[4:35]
oh shit you made the claim public

[4:35]
i would have waiting till d2

[4:35]
lol

[4:35]
mostly because of all the shit that can happen at end of day

tokzic [4:36 PM]
i fucked up with dolgin

[4:36]
something he said in the slack was ambiguous

[4:36]
and sounded like both hobos had claimed to him

xiz [4:36 PM]
YO THATS WHAT I THOUGHT

[4:36]
i thought rzr and someone else

tokzic [4:36 PM]
dbp thought so too

[4:36]
i kind of wonder if he did that intentionally

xiz [4:36 PM]
thats also why i had my vote on rzr

tokzic [4:37 PM]
so i said to him privately WHAT BOTH HOBOS CAME OUT TO YOU?

[4:37]
and he was like "no dpb thought that though"

[4:37]
and i was like ".............."

xiz [4:37 PM]
so NOBODY came out to him

[4:37]
right

tokzic [4:39 PM]
YOU BET!!

[4:39]
dlgn [6:32 PM]
here's the part where I come clean as soon as possible: I said one had claimed to me in hopes that one finally would take me up on the offer, but none have :disappointed:

[6:32]
you were on my shortlist for possible HG's, though

[6:33]
i think I made that clear when I initially messaged you, lmao

xiz [4:40 PM]
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[4:40]
well that sucks lol

[4:40]
i would have been excited if one did

tokzic [4:41 PM]
because you're my hobobro and we would have caught a wolf?

xiz [4:42 PM]
no im a wolf

[4:42]
i just want to be the lone wolf

[4:43]
im the usurper role

tokzic [4:43 PM]
oh okay

xiz [4:44 PM]
try to see if you can get someone to claim hobo to you

[4:44]
pref who you think is a wolf but havent pinged em yet

tokzic [6:53 PM]
where

[6:53]
did you get the idea

[6:53]
that two people had claimed to dolgin

[6:54]
i'm trying to figure out where this thought originated

xiz [6:57 PM]
when dbp said so?

[6:58]
one sec let me pull up the quote

[7:00]
i cant find it but i remember DBP said to dlgn something like "when rzr and someone else came out to you"

[7:00]
god there are so many fucking messages

[7:01]
So, in regards to the dlgn/dbp pastebin:

[8:20]
I thought that you were a homeless guy, and you were trying to find your partner

[8:20]
And then you got 2 responses, leading you to doubt one of them: rzr

tokzic [7:01 PM]
yeah slack is really hard to check back on

xiz [7:01 PM]
its a whole pastebin

[7:01]
between dlg and dbp

[7:01]
where i foudn that

tokzic [7:01 PM]
can you link me that pastebin

xiz [7:05 PM]
sure hold on

[7:06]

http://pastebin.com/TUkkJDee

Pastebin
dlgn/dab - Pastebin.com (8KB)

tokzic [7:09 PM]
thanks

xiz [7:27 PM]
why storn

tokzic [7:28 PM]
no contributions

xiz [7:28 PM]
over grad?

tokzic [7:28 PM]
completely silent during the most eventful parts of the game

[7:29]
i don't think over grad

[7:29]
but absolutely over you

[7:29]
grad is weirder than storn

[7:29]
grad only shows up when he gets called out

xiz [7:30 PM]
that one pm he did in that pastebin said he is busy but thats about it

[7:30]
with all the people viewing the thread as guests i doubt it

[7:30]
as in, hes in there

[7:30]
like

[7:31]
i think grad over storn atm mostly because storn doesnt connect with anyone

[7:31]
while gradient does?

xiz [7:38 PM]
yo you here

[7:38]
@tokzic:

tokzic [7:38 PM]
sorry

[7:38]
bunch of things going on

xiz [7:38 PM]
im going to need to force to claim

[7:39]
if ya dont step in

[7:39]
zzzzzzz

[7:39]
this is not how i wanted d1 to go lol

tokzic [7:39 PM]
i liked the gradiant/storn/dlgn wagons

[7:39]
i'm confused what the fuck is going on

xiz [7:40 PM]
you gotta step in

[7:40]
otherwise im claiming in 10

tokzic [7:40 PM]
and why so many players are withholding votes

xiz [7:40 PM]
like its literally up to you at this point

[7:40]
i can only withhold so much

tokzic [7:40 PM]
are you telling me you're the other hobo

xiz [7:40 PM]
yes -.-'

tokzic [7:40 PM]
fucking

xiz [7:41 PM]
thats why im kinda freakin out over here

[7:41]
YO

[7:42]
who you pm'n

tokzic [7:42 PM]
i'm postin' not pmin'

[7:42]
yo

[7:42]
you are not

xiz [7:42 PM]
kk

[7:42]
im not what

tokzic [7:42 PM]
the only other claim

xiz [7:42 PM]
either you are fake or they are

tokzic [7:42 PM]
botchi claimed hobo too

xiz [7:42 PM]
da fuk

[7:43]
okay its in my hands now


----- December 6th -----
tokzic [7:55 PM]
are you changing rooms

[7:55]
there is extremely little time left to figure this out

xiz [7:55 PM]
changed

tokzic [7:56 PM]
okay phew thank you

xiz [7:57 PM]
im so fuckin tilted so if you are legit then gl

[7:57]
cuz im prob gonna die

tokzic [7:58 PM]
??????

xiz [7:58 PM]
i do hope you are fake because if so you played me really well

tokzic [7:58 PM]
if your claim is real

[7:58]
it is impossible for you to die tonight

xiz [7:58 PM]
im hiding in DD

tokzic [7:58 PM]
where did you get that idea

xiz [7:58 PM]
im not gonna die from the night rofl

[7:58]
from getting voted

tokzic [7:58 PM]
oh okay i see what you mean

xiz [7:59 PM]
im most likely not going to talk to anyone because everything thinks im just fuckin it up for town

[7:59]
if ya need me pm me

tokzic [7:59 PM]
i'm not going to lie

[7:59]
that's the way it looks

xiz [7:59 PM]
i was going to seer V

tokzic [8:00 PM]
botchi's been pming people really extensively

[8:00]
if he's red he's tryharding

[8:00]
why v

xiz [8:00 PM]
better have him on town side and know early

[8:00]
and ive never played with botchi i thought he was new

[8:00]
hence why i thought you were scum

[8:01]
my brain says you are scum but, meh

tokzic [8:01 PM]
the thing about seering v

[8:01]
i thought about that possibility

[8:02]
i had this weird inkling that maybe he's movie stalker and just saying he's using kidz zone to scare everyone else out of using it

[8:02]
but seering him and actually seeing him in kidz zone

[8:02]
wouldn't prove much either way

[8:02]
it could be possible he's red, but not the stalker and really is camping kidz zone

[8:03]
but it's also possible he's green and camping kidz zone

xiz [8:03 PM]
its a tossup

[8:03]
thats why

[8:03]
seering him isnt a bad call

[8:03]
alright im out, ill check this later


----- Yesterday December 7th, 2015 -----
xiz [3:39 PM]
yo, well done this game man. you had me fooled lol. Totally thought you were real.

tokzic [7:28 PM]
???????

[7:29]
is this like

[7:29]
an attempt at getting me to switch to botchi

No logs :\

No logs either

Reads list, short version. Can explain if you ask:

- Kill tokzic, top priority
- Wolf between Charu and Xel, it's a tossup
- Roundbox needs to be looked at, he posts a lot of filler
- DLGN needs to be looked at, probably a wolf. Or just a fucking stupid town.
- NEVER lynch AA, he leads after I die.
- Botchi you really need to speak up more. I know its your first game but your input really matters, even if you don't think it does.
- Rzr is a tossup for me. I thought super wolf d1 but it was me against the world. If charu and xel both die and they both are town, look at rzr.




You can now ask me questions in the little time I have left.