jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

[ShadowDueler97]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

With the way I feel storn has been kinda biased towards T-Force, if storn dies today and he's wolf my suspicions of T-Force being wolf is gonna go way up.

[storn42]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

Storn was 2nd last to vote Gradiant for lynch. That makes me think if it's shad+storn, but they wouldn't have wolf talk by then... however, storn seems 2nd likely.

my vote on grad wasn't to push the lynch. t-force said he wanted to vote for me which wouldn't put it at KiTB,. i voted so i could stay alive and help kill the woofs

[helphelp11]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

If it's self defense, I can believe that.
Shadow, who do you suspect most?

[thesunfan]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

Storn was 2nd last to vote Gradiant for lynch. That makes me think if it's shad+storn, but they wouldn't have wolf talk by then... however, storn seems 2nd likely.

assume shadow is town; who are the wolves then?

[ShadowDueler97]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

If it's self defense, I can believe that.
Shadow, who do you suspect most?

Storn, with a second wolf read on T-Force.

[helphelp11]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

Storn and... YoshL? I'm not sure to put up in that 2nd spot, honestly. It has to be someone from the Gradiant vote, though. However, I recall that psycho would've switched off of Gradiant.

[helphelp11]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

Uh, storn was one of the people I was already considering. I would have probably switched.

Yeah, this was the post.

[thesunfan]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

Storn and... YoshL? I'm not sure to put up in that 2nd spot, honestly. It has to be someone from the Gradiant vote, though. However, I recall that psycho would've switched off of Gradiant.

why do both wolves have to be on the Gradiant wagon?

[helphelp11]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

That's following T-Force's logic:

Last reads list from AA, who says the wolves are obvious.

Helphelp, storn, shadow.

I don't think help's a wolf though.

Let's use the final votecount:

gradiant (5) - psychoangel, yoshl, greg, storn, shad
storn (1) - ayase
Unvote: gradiant
No Vote: help, t-force

I can all but guarantee that the two wolves are on the Gradiant train.
There is literally no reason for help or I to not vote as wolves, so help's ruled out.
Gradiant was an unvote and he ended up VT.
Aragaki had their vote on storn and they ended up VT.

storn, you're up first on the chopping block.

T-Force seems like he's just discussing.

[thesunfan]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

ok, why are you following T-Force's logic then?
is it because you trust him or agree with his logic or both?

[helphelp11]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

Both. T-Force seems town lean to me due to his discussing, so I can trust him on his logic.

[thesunfan]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

the latter isn't necessarily justified by the former, and that includes this case.
He's making the mistake of assuming that wolves will always vote as a group and this just isn't true. So while your townread may be correct you should not trust his logic!
He also \almost\ makes the mistake of assuming that split wagons are always wolf/town but doesn't quite do it.

[thesunfan]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

just because you are townreading someone does not mean that they are right similar to how town should not instantly vote for the top suspicion of the previous phases mislynch.

[helphelp11]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

Well, if I'm right on my town read on T-Force, does that mean the people who voted Gradiant all have an equal chance of being wolf?
(Greg is sunfan, right?)

[YoshL]

Re: jTWG LXXVI: Duo Deception | Game Thread!!!

I'm currently torn on storn (lol)

at least, going off of previous games i've played and read from him, he's in general about this awkward and horrid with his posts, and i remember lynching him in a different game because of the same stuff.

Meanwhile, I'm more interested in shadowdueler's hammer on Gradiant because of his reasoning - especialyl this one thing

The reason I felt it necessary to get Gradiant out of the way whether he was town or wolf was because if he didn't die, he would remain a lingering problem with people wondering if he's wolf or not. He would be moving attention away from figuring out who the other wolf/wolves is and keep the attention onto him. Now that he's gone, the fact he was town and died isn't so bad. Now it'll be that much easier to find the wolves with one less person gone.

to be incredibly frank, i don't think he was thinking this at all when he was hammering. Especially not the way he posted his hammer.

Also, this line of thinking is very weird, in that fiction had to wrecking ball slam it into my face one game before i stopped worrying too much about killing vts early on. Also, being the tiniest bit nitpicky, his wording is very peculiar (e.g. get Gradiant out of the way)