DP/RATO move to tokens?

[One Winged Angel]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

Added a poll to see what kind of numbers we're dealing with. Please vote even if you've already posted your stance on this.

[ilikexd]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

It's being expressed and implied that RATO and DP are somehow jokes or bad files.

I don't see it.

[shadow 1800]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

It's being expressed and implied that RATO and DP are somehow jokes or bad files.

I don't see it.

With combo scoring being the only option, yes they are. x.x The only other viable option would be raw scoring once again.

[Choofers]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

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[ilikexd]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

With combo scoring being the only option, yes they are x.x only other viable option would be raw scoring once again

If this is the argument, then CP should be moved as well.
CP is close to impossible to FC, and I'm sure most of the FCs are DS, overlay, or held.

Regardless, I don't think being exceedingly difficult to combo makes a file bad or a joke. The only joke files that immediately come to mind are vROFL (hence the ROFL) and p4u.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

RATO and DP are relics of a time where ffr's standards were much lower, and just like the legacy files i think something should be done about them.

Agreed as well. The trouble with DP and RATO (and CP for that matter) is truly the quality of the file. We will have much better files in the future from the new D7 division which may reach as high as Death Piano in difficulty. (DP is the least shitty of the 3 imo).

I'm not just hating on hard files either. I love playing Do I Smile and System Doctor and J Vu, but RATO especially is just a joke of a file.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

RATO is blatantly overstepped; people had analyzed the file after it came out.

Death Piano is an accurately stepped file that is 100% unforgiving.

For me, the problem isn't the files themselves -- it's the game's scoring mechanics. If the game was raw scoring, I'm sure this argument wouldn't be happening at all.

[mi40]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

hey can we have this vote thing for making higher rates count in levelranks too?

[ilikexd]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

RATO is blatantly overstepped; people had analyzed the file after it came out.

Death Piano is an accurately stepped file that is 100% unforgiving.

RATO is accurately stepped. It certainly could have been stepped easier with less layering or more lenient patterns, but so could DP.

DP isn't even totally accurately stepped.
It's offsync. And the 24th notes next to the long 24th trills are 32nds.

[mi40]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

DP: keep ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
RATO: remove ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ

[TheSaxRunner05]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

Token chain:
Pass revo to unlock DP
Pass DP to Unlock RATO
Pass RATO to unlock CP

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[foxfire667]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

For me, the problem isn't the files themselves -- it's the game's scoring mechanics. If the game was raw scoring, I'm sure this argument wouldn't be happening at all.

Same. What is the point of having public scores on songs essentially no one can really pull off decent ranks on, without blatant disregard for actually being rhythmically accurate (ie: mashing everything)? Personally I feel this way about the leader-boards in general, but especially with these two files, combo scoring ruins any sort of actual skill representation for even most D7 players. If combo scoring is here to stay, files like this shouldn't really be around affecting public average ranks. It's just mashing for pretty much everyone, period.

What would be cool is if RATO / DP get moved, the leader-boards get wiped (unless you want your score to stay). Then people won't give a shit about FC'ing them because they aren't public, and we can see a much better representation of player skill with PA. I'd personally love to replace my shit mashed FC's with my nice PA runs. Perhaps that is just me though, how would others feel about something like that?

[EzExZeRo7497]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

RATO is blatantly overstepped; people had analyzed the file after it came out.

Death Piano is an accurately stepped file that is 100% unforgiving.

For me, the problem isn't the files themselves -- it's the game's scoring mechanics. If the game was raw scoring, I'm sure this argument wouldn't be happening at all.

This is exactly why I feel that these files should be moved. If it was raw scoring I'd personally don't care about RATO and DP being moved to tokens. But since it's a combo-based game, I'd much rather see it as tokens because the score spread is just... ridiculously large and I don't think it will change any time soon. It's more on the fact that files like this are just not suitable for a combo-based game like this. I understand that there should be files that should be hard to FC but also should be in the leaderboards, but for files like RATO and DP, people just mindlessly mash the entire thing just to get a respectable rank. If they're in token ranks, they'd probably be more inclined to PA it instead.

Slightly off topic, but I'd much rather see CP outside token ranks as well.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

It wouldn't be so bad if every time a player went to improve their rank, it only meant mashing more combo, you all have a point.
I am also convinced that at least half of the CP FC's are from dual set up anyways, maybe even some of the RATO ones as well.

[ilikexd]

Re: DP/RATO move to tokens?

I do agree that the scoring on specifically these files and a few others is totally askew, and in playing them one is guided to semi-mash, hit accurately where possible but mash to make sure combo isn't broken, which is not a very fun "strategy".

I just don't think the problem should be associated with / blamed on the files themselves. They aren't bad or jokes.

Since switching FFR to raw scoring will probably not happen, it would be cool to see DP & RATO + a few others ranked on raw scoring. Seems like a stretch, though.