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  • igotrhythm
    Fractals!
    • Sep 2004
    • 6535

    #106
    Re: The Speedrunning Thread

    I always find it interesting how speedrunners adopt different strategies if they're performing live and/or they're doing a single-segment run. Of course, with Exo's 18:39 any% of Super Meat Boy (featuring a perfect Larrie's Lament, made all the more amazing by the fact that you can't manipulate him into jumping) this wasn't really the case, but still. With single segment runs, the focus is on finding ways to do things quickly with less chance of screwing it up big time, and with live runs I think the policy is to go for it once and then fall back on the safe route if you miss.

    Since I've been playing a lot of the original Legend of Zelda recently thanks to the GBA port, I've been wondering exactly what goes into the art of RNG manipulation. Clearly, it varies from game to game, but the fascinating thing about the Zelda series is that due to the large number of times the RNG is called for enemy spawn locations in dungeons, even tool-assisted runners have a bitch of a time getting everything to line up perfectly.

    So what I'm wondering is this: What games have you tried to run in which luck played a significant role? Of course, luck is what separates a good run from a great run and a great run from THE RUN, but how much actual difference is there?
    Originally posted by thesunfan
    I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

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    • YoshL
      Celestial Harbor
      FFR Simfile Author
      FFR Music Producer
      • Aug 2008
      • 6156

      #107
      Re: The Speedrunning Thread

      Originally posted by igotrhythm
      I always find it interesting how speedrunners adopt different strategies if they're performing live and/or they're doing a single-segment run. Of course, with Exo's 18:39 any% of Super Meat Boy (featuring a perfect Larrie's Lament, made all the more amazing by the fact that you can't manipulate him into jumping) this wasn't really the case, but still. With single segment runs, the focus is on finding ways to do things quickly with less chance of screwing it up big time, and with live runs I think the policy is to go for it once and then fall back on the safe route if you miss.

      Since I've been playing a lot of the original Legend of Zelda recently thanks to the GBA port, I've been wondering exactly what goes into the art of RNG manipulation. Clearly, it varies from game to game, but the fascinating thing about the Zelda series is that due to the large number of times the RNG is called for enemy spawn locations in dungeons, even tool-assisted runners have a bitch of a time getting everything to line up perfectly.

      So what I'm wondering is this: What games have you tried to run in which luck played a significant role? Of course, luck is what separates a good run from a great run and a great run from THE RUN, but how much actual difference is there?
      Banjo-Tooie.

      - Jinjo pattern - 30s
      - Klungo pattern - 1 min
      - Mayahem Temple codes - 1 min
      - Jinjo box - 30s
      - Woo Fak Fak pattern - 2 mins
      - JRL code - 10s
      - Jamjar bonks - up to 2-3 minutes
      - Other misc. RNG related events - easily 10 minutes

      it really varies run per run, but easily you could lose 10 minutes to bad RNG in a BT run. As a reference, my PB is a 3:07 with decent luck, but not the best. probably lost at least 5 minutes to RNG related stuff (so maybe a 3:02).

      The world record at the time was a 3:04. (it's a 2:59 for this category now, 2:54 with manipulated RNG at the beginning)


      Originally posted by Charu
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      • Charu
        Snivy! Dohoho!
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Mar 2006
        • 6207

        #108
        Re: The Speedrunning Thread

        I'm considering attempting to speedrun something, just because it looks like it could be fun to absolutely dominate the game by playing by it's own rules and doing everything the developers did not intend to happen.

        The problem though is I don't know what I want to speedrun. I like playing ma games casually darn it!


        Originally posted by JohnRedWolf87
        Charu the red-nosed Snivy
        Had a very shiny nose
        And if you ever saw it
        You could even say it glows

        All of the other Snivies
        Used to laugh and call him names
        They never let poor Charu
        Join in any Snivy games

        (Click the arrow to see the rest)


        Originally posted by Vendetta21
        All in all I would say that Charu not only won this game, his play made me reconsider how I play it.

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        • igotrhythm
          Fractals!
          • Sep 2004
          • 6535

          #109
          Re: The Speedrunning Thread

          Racing games are a good start, I would think. Gets you into the mindset you need of shaving off every possible second and fraction thereof.

          Otherwise, focus on a game you know inside and out.
          Originally posted by thesunfan
          I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

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          • Spenner
            Forum User
            • Nov 2006
            • 2403

            #110
            Re: The Speedrunning Thread

            Used to have the world record for 5 or so Super Meat Boy levels. My savefile seems bunk now :C gonna try getting there again.

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            • igotrhythm
              Fractals!
              • Sep 2004
              • 6535

              #111
              Re: The Speedrunning Thread

              So apparently even Candy Box can be sped through. Here's a guy doing the whole thing in about 63 minutes.

              Originally posted by thesunfan
              I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

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              • HalfStep
                Can't AAA anything
                • Sep 2007
                • 1391

                #112
                Re: The Speedrunning Thread

                I actually considered trying to speed through that game, but didn't wanna take the time to figure out all the optimal strats haha.

                4th Official Tournament - D1 34th Place
                5th Official Tournament - D3 Last Place
                8th Official Tournament - D3 3rd Place
                TSR's Summer Golf Tournament - D4 2nd Place
                FFR Multiplayer Tournament 2013 - D5 12th Place
                YoshL's Tournament of Mediocrity - 2nd Place
                TSR's Rates Tournament - Standard 2nd Place
                DRG's Team Tournament - Intermediate 1st Place
                9th Official FFR Tournament - D5 35th Place

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                • Arntonach
                  Owlbears Rock!
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 2494

                  #113
                  Re: The Speedrunning Thread

                  Originally posted by igotrhythm
                  So what I'm wondering is this: What games have you tried to run in which luck played a significant role? Of course, luck is what separates a good run from a great run and a great run from THE RUN, but how much actual difference is there?
                  Lost Kingdoms 2

                  At the end of every mission, you can select a number of cards depending on your ranking. The higher the ranking, the more card you can get. There are 6 cards to choose from with a ranking going from 0 to 3. Getting extra copies of cards can be nice, but some cards are vital, such as Wizard and MechaPult. And there's the Flayer Spawn's small chance of auto-killing any Mech monster and how Sol behaves in two of the missions.

                  Yeah, SS'ing this game is a pain. D:
                  pack of hard stuffs

                  pack of my stuffs

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                  • remedy1502
                    remederpin
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 4884

                    #114
                    Re: The Speedrunning Thread

                    Oh there's a speedrunning thread lmao
                    I haven't run anything in a while but I do still hold the Tony Hawk's Pro Skater any% WR at 5:31. I have plans to go for sub 5:10, but I'm not sure when I'll go back to it.

                    And run sm64, johnny bazookatone, and snowboard kids 2 (when I feel like relaxing)

                    Twitch is the world's leading video platform and community for gamers.

                    My stream, but I mostly just play mario kart wii lately.
                    Last edited by remedy1502; 06-6-2013, 03:35 PM.

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                    • cetaka
                      Dark Chancellor
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 2550

                      #115
                      Re: The Speedrunning Thread

                      good http://www.twitch.tv/doughyguy92/c/2396729




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                      • igotrhythm
                        Fractals!
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 6535

                        #116
                        Re: The Speedrunning Thread



                        Edit: what the fuck werster. What the fuck. Read the description and have mind blown... X_X
                        Last edited by igotrhythm; 07-4-2013, 02:49 PM.
                        Originally posted by thesunfan
                        I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

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                        • igotrhythm
                          Fractals!
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 6535

                          #117
                          Re: The Speedrunning Thread

                          andrewg

                          wat r u doin

                          andrewg



                          STAHP
                          Originally posted by thesunfan
                          I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

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                          • YoshL
                            Celestial Harbor
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            FFR Music Producer
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 6156

                            #118
                            Re: The Speedrunning Thread

                            mario party 2 tournament root for Daikyi (me) pls

                            twitch.tv/paradoxkarl


                            Originally posted by Charu
                            Only yours, for an easy price of $19.99! You too can experience the wonders of full motion rump sticking.

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                            • YoshL
                              Celestial Harbor
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              FFR Music Producer
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 6156

                              #119
                              Re: The Speedrunning Thread

                              double post for update + bragging




                              Bracket C winner was me, because i screwed over Chabo with a 70 coin duel
                              Also destroyed Quarterfinal B, was worried about yashichi, but in the end i managed to bring him from 140 coins to 0 through 1 duel (also netting me the coin star at 310 coins max lolol). On the /very last turn/ i needed a 10 to hit a Boo star steal on yashichi to knock him out of the tourney, since he was the biggest threat. RNG clutch.

                              worried the hell about neskamikaze though.

                              semifinal is on thursday, kinda expecting Fasch to join us. I'm kinda worried about Chabo, since I've played him in brackets, and he definitely was able to overcome the input lag and get the mini-game star (duels won it for me), but idk. Through quarterfinals, it's kinda really easily becoming clear who's really in it or not. or it's just that they're getting lucky as hell lol


                              Originally posted by Charu
                              Only yours, for an easy price of $19.99! You too can experience the wonders of full motion rump sticking.

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                              • _Fluttershy_
                                92 Black Flags & Counting
                                • Jul 2012
                                • 536

                                #120
                                Re: The Speedrunning Thread

                                Heh, just discovered this thread and I must say I'm a massive fan of speedrunning. I've been watching mainly Siglemic, Trihex and Cosmo for a while but have started watching Stelzig, Lee_SDA, CarlSagan and others. I've tried speedrunning myself but I'm not good enough lol, but yeah I've got a stream channel for anyone whose interested.

                                Twitch is the world's leading video platform and community for gamers.


                                I've hardly speedran properly but as soon as I can get a good speedrun going, that would be awesome! XD




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