I don't want to live on this planet anymore

[vantilburg]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

[Snowcrafta]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

EDIT: Snowcrafta you're not justifying police brutality because of a high-stress enviornment, right?

Officer or not, if someone's pissed off, especially at you, it's usually a good idea not to keep prodding. Logic should tell you when you've gone too far (apperently warnings aren't enough), and if you take a beating for it, maybe it wont happen next time. It's horribly illegal, but you have to be a real big douche to get police brutalized.

Worst part is that I'm sure that he's eating up all the press coverage and using it to try to sway opinion saying that NYPD is full of horrible people.

[~kitty~]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

Last I checked a poorly put on diaper isn't life threatening, but what do I know

Police macing isn't equivalent to putting on a diaper poorly the last time I checked, but what do I know

[Artic_counter]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

If you just bitch, yell, and fight with us all the tme, you bet we're going to take our time or "get caught in something else".

Healthcare is no different than any other field

What a great dad you would make.

On topic :

Like a lot of people said; Just because someone as it worse doesn't make the thing in question more acceptable. Also, while I do agree about what Rubix said on the protest in itself, I do not think stress and emotions is enough of a reason to brutalize people.

[TheNoSoMan]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

Because all the people here who posted in this thread can post much better opinions than I ever can, I'm just gonna post a video that the title of the thread reminded me of.

[Reincarnate]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

I guess we just have different expectations of the police- I've always thought that in any situation a policeman should be able to keep his wits about him. It's his job.
I guess I get this perspective because my brother was an officer for a while. And any time he was talking about a particularly shitty case he had to deal with he always talked about how hard it was to keep his cool, but he would mention how during training they CONSTANTLY drilled the fact he had to remain civil, and he would just have to mentally endure. Seeing what my brother went through (I'd like to think he was a "good cop") to stay calm in situations not unlike this protest makes me disappointed to see a high ranking officer lose his shit like we can see clearly in this video. Like I said, just different expectations- I don't necessarily disagree with anything you've said.

And Crashfan3's post on the previous page was really well thought out too.

Also I'm still amused by people who keep citing the "someone somewhere has it worse" argument, as if that magically makes what happened here acceptable.

They should, but we can say that about any job. Act like a dick to the waitresses/chefs, and you can be sure that it'll come back to haunt you at some point.

Not every cop out there is a good cop. Like most things, they come in distributions. I don't disagree with you on principle -- I just don't think it's a realistic expectation.

There are plenty of great cops out there, but some people slip through the cracks and become cops because they like to occasionally abuse power. There's no 100% perfect incentive process/system of due diligence... if this were true, there'd be nothing here to protest in the first place.

Like a lot of people said; Just because someone as it worse doesn't make the thing in question more acceptable. Also, while I do agree about what Rubix said on the protest in itself, I do not think stress and emotions is enough of a reason to brutalize people.

Again, disclaimer: I'm not justifying police brutality. But as someone who saw the protest firsthand, I don't think the level of force used was unreasonable. Some of those protesters were *really* obnoxious and it doesn't surprise me that the chaos led to a few people getting clocked around/sprayed a bit. People would just not get it through their heads that they *were not allowed to block traffic* and that yes, they had a right to be on public property, but they were not really following the sort of guidelines you'd expect from a "peaceful protest." Policemen *should* be able to keep their cool, but what was happening was that being aggressively assertive was oftentimes not enough. Douchebag protestors would just push past the officers and go block traffic some more. Eventually they had to escalate the force a bit.

[robertsona]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

i completely agree with the basis of that bottom paragraph, mr. rubix--if the only way to stop these protesters from blocking traffic or getting dangerously rowdy or whatever was to use the force displayed in the video (which, once again, i didn't watch), then that's fine--i assumed that all the anger was directed towards unprovoked police brutality (or, at least, major overreaction on the cops's part.)

that said, i still don't at all like the jist of "it's not a perfect world, there are bad cops out there," as if pointing out that we have an imperfect system is reason enough to let all those imperfections stand without getting involved in actively trying to fix them. "we'll always have bad cops" isn't really an excuse for police brutality

[Cavernio]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

"The police were making unlawful arrests and turning an otherwise peaceful protest into a violent one"

This is how I see it too. The problem only escapates when police or protestors get up in each-others grill to do stuff.

The *best* way to get protestors 'dangerously rowdy' is to stop them from protesting, or stop them from doing innocuous things. Police and anyone who orders them to become physically aggressive first, or even block people from protesting, or tell people to not walk in the public streets, are the retards. Seriously, a little common sense...don't feed the fire.

[V-Ormix]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

I guess at the end of the day, people forget that police are people too... though what they did wasn't right, who is to say there so terrible cause they didn't keep there "cool."

[Andrew Mitchell]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

ah its good to see that mine and everyone elses (unless you're a toff) natural instinct to hate the police is based on fact acab

[PaperclipGames]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

I guess at the end of the day, people forget that police are people too... though what they did wasn't right, who is to say there so terrible cause they didn't keep there "cool."

They are trained to "keep their cool" and to make the right decision, which is where policemen are different from the rest.

[~kitty~]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

"The police were making unlawful arrests and turning an otherwise peaceful protest into a violent one"

This is how I see it too. The problem only escapates when police or protestors get up in each-others grill to do stuff.

The *best* way to get protestors 'dangerously rowdy' is to stop them from protesting, or stop them from doing innocuous things. Police and anyone who orders them to become physically aggressive first, or even block people from protesting, or tell people to not walk in the public streets, are the retards. Seriously, a little common sense...don't feed the fire.

This post makes me think you think that the protesters are excused for their actions.

[fido123]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

Although far worse goes on in other countries it doesn't mean we're not allowed to be upset at stuff like this. I think crying though is really ridiculous and if you didn't know that this stuff happens even in North America you're living in a bubble. Libya's government was shooting people who weren't even protesting to "show them who's boss". Anyway I don't understand where people get off thinking the protesters are doing anything wrong or deserved it. Yeah, they'd probably piss the hell out of me personally especially after dealing with them day after day but if somebody pissed me off at my job and I physically assaulted them (even just pepper spray) I'd expect to get criminally charged and so should these police as if they were any other citizen since they're not above anybody else. Those officers responsible for that are unfit to do their job and assuming their actions weren't justified should receive whatever punishment anybody else would for their actions. I can understand their frustration but they went to fall and don't have the self-control to do their job.

the way I see it is, gathering a large crowd of people (who obviously aren't happy cause there protesting) is potential grounds for violence weather or not they mean to. so cops showing up to a public place to keep things under "control" was going to happen no matter what. and with video cameras about, I guess they feel they need to "do some thing" so that they could say "hey I am just doing my job." and though I agree they went maybe a bit far physically, with a huge crowd of protesters that look like there ready to start trouble at any moment maybe some of them felt it was first instinct...

"OH SHIT THERE ARE CAMERAS HERE BETTER LOOK LIKE I'M DOING SOMETHING"
*Pepper Spray/Physical Assault*

I think you have a TERRIBLY poor understanding of what an officers job is and what constitutes being assaulted.

This post makes me think you think that the protesters are excused for their actions.

Last time I checked being an assclown wasn't against the law. They weren't doing anything wrong. They were being annoying but weren't hurting anybody or damaging any property.

[rushyrulz]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

If I'm working the counter at McDonalds and all the customers are being annoying as hell I don't have the right to assault one.

If I'm a police officer at a protest and all the protestors are being annoying as hell I don't have the right to assault one.

[~kitty~]

Re: I don't want to live on this planet anymore

Last time I checked being an assclown wasn't against the law. They weren't doing anything wrong. They were being annoying but weren't hurting anybody or damaging any property.

I think you're misreading. I said that because Cavernio's post looks like the protesters weren't doing anything and this was a completely unprovoked attack, even though they have been blocking out traffic and to some degree they were causing problems. I'm not saying that macing them was an appropriate action, and I think you would see that clearly if you were reading my other posts as well, which I hope you were.