Is it wrong to be gay?

[A2P]

Re: Is it wrong to be gay?

As a thread like this will, because as long as people have opinions you will not have an answer to this question.

There shouldn't even be opposing views on homosexuality. Not in this country.

Sexual preference should not be a deciding factor in ANYTHING. It's just who people are. It's not a "disease." It's not a "rebellion." It certainly isn't a "sin" either, as some religious fanatics describe (well, I personally call them self-righteous pricks.). It's just a preference. Why should anyone have the right to put someone down because of it?

It enrages me so much when I hear discrimination against homosexuals, and well anybody really, because that's not what the United States at least was founded on. "Freedom of choice", guys. Not "freedom of choice for heterosexuals only". Not "freedom of choice except for certain groups". I wish people can see it that way and not have to squabble and bicker about what's the "right" way to enjoy intimacy.

That's my argument, but in reality, this shouldn't even be a debate! Those opposed to the idea should, you know...mind their own god damn business. Oops, I used the Lord's name in vain. Guess I sinned...where's my condemnation?

[Wyde]

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Yes I believe you can't help who you love especially the way I found mine but, children are born with Tabula rasa (forgive me if I spelled it wrong) or "blank mind" and what a person finds sexy and attractive lies in the limbic system of the brain. This being said one could easily say a child LEARNS to feel an attraction to one side or the other, one way or another.

As someone who has dabbled (read: dabbled) in the study of psychology, alarms go off in my head when someone says "the brain most definitely works via this model". The "blank slate" theory is not one I strongly believe in - to my own understanding, there are far more aspects to a person that are innate than the base theory generally credits, and I believe things such as sexual orientation, gender identity and inherited personality traits are among them. I'm also not sure where you're going with "learning" to feel attracted to another person.

(P.S. why am I helping keep this topic alive aagh)

[MissClock]

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Uhm, in my opinion. It is not wrong to be gay, you're attracted to who you're attracted to.

How ever penis was not made for penis nor anus for anus nor penis for anus or penis for mouth or ass for mouth and even Scientists can tell you that.

I am religious. I think if you're gay, you're gay, big deal God Still loves you.

[fido123]

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The gay community is obnoxiously self-absorbed and insensitive and ignorant to transfolk, though. There's nothing wrong with homosexuality but I'll be damned if I don't absolutely hate a ton of gay people.

Yeah, pretty much everybody who's obviously gay or prides themselves on being gay I find to be unbearably annoying and I honestly hate being represented by the image the gay community gives off. I'm all for total sexual freedom but when trying to appeal to everybody, I think it's better to separate the both the movements to prevent people thinking all gays are a bunch of flamboyant "sexual deviants" queens.

How ever penis was not made for penis nor anus for anus nor penis for anus or penis for mouth or ass for mouth and even Scientists can tell you that.

You could also say that about girls who give oral to guys. I'm pretty sure Scientists would also tell you that it doesn't matter what it's "made for". If I use an old shirt as a rag am I doing anything wrong? That shirt was made for wearing, however since I don't care to wear it any more and have no other use for it am I doing anything "wrong" by using it as a cloth?

[ScylaX]

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--> On the fact of "doing something that breaks with the original use of the tool it was «made for»".
One of the main phenomena that emerge from the existence of the "human civilization" is that the whole race keeps finding a way to part from its former animal state. The subject is really vast and my expression in english would be a disaster if I tried to explain that, that subject needs a whole new thread. But you can interpret the progress of the culture in the civilization as a mean of humans to get a true "antinatural" behavior (be careful with that word, interpret it as an evolution that isn't directly natural but anthropotypic, I need a better knowledge to be sure if it's what Memetics are totally about) . You just consider that, since animals use that organ that way, we should use it that way, or the fundamental use of these things is for a definite objective, but it's a very narrow way to see things : you just limit your opinion to the use that seems the most natural.

--> On the "popular gay identity"
This is basically the tool for the LGBT community to get known : it gained a very own identity that made it gain a certain visibility in the media. And yes because of that, it can backfire on plain discreet homosexual people that are just quiet. Hating that identity is totally legitimate, but many people tend to make straw men and directly mix up what the gay culture is with what homosexuality is, to what I've seen. Which is troublesome.

[MissClock]

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You could also say that about girls who give oral to guys. I'm pretty sure Scientists would also tell you that it doesn't matter what it's "made for". If I use an old shirt as a rag am I doing anything wrong? That shirt was made for wearing, however since I don't care to wear it any more and have no other use for it am I doing anything "wrong" by using it as a cloth?

The scientists being scientists would still say, it's not what it was made for.
Girls who give oral to guys is a preference there mouth is not existent to perform oral intercourse.
So I don't understand what you're trying to get at.

[ScylaX]

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I'd prefer to know where you're trying to get at by writing this. I don't want to make risky conjectures, so at least develop your thinking please.

[fido123]

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The scientists being scientists would still say, it's not what it was made for.
Girls who give oral to guys is a preference there mouth is not existent to perform oral intercourse.
So I don't understand what you're trying to get at.

I'm saying it doesn't matter what it was "made for". Pretty much everything SkylaX is saying.

[MissClock]

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I'm saying it doesn't matter what it was "made for". Pretty much everything SkylaX is saying.

The fact that people say, it doesn't matter is up to them. Because in the end, no matter how much IT DOESN'T MATTER.
It's still, what it was made for.

And I never said these were wrong, it's just it wasn't made for those things, so you're mis-using it. If a wheel barrow was MADE for transporting things while reducing as much weight and strain on the human body as can but then people use them for racing .(I love wheel barrow racing)

It's not what it was made for, AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE THAT (unless they make a brand of wheelbarrow labeled for racing)

That's all I am trying to say. As for what I think about people being gay to relate back to my original post. Go read it if you're wondering.

But to say "it doesn't matter what something is made for" Is reckless and ignorant. Realize what things are made for, but you don't have to think negatively of it.

I know people may have anal intercourse. YES Your bum was not made for a penis but people still do it. I am just saying I recognize what things are made for, thats all. Maybe to you "It doesn't matter" But you still have to know.

[PlayTrumpet]

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That's actually an interesting topic for discussion and debate that could warrant its own thread - What things seem to be meant for, and why it does or does not matter. You might've sparked something here.

Though, I think that specific discussion veers off topic in this thread. To relate this idea, "What are things 'meant' for and does it matter" to the "Is it wrong to be gay?" question, you must come to a conclusion or belief through a separate discussion on the former subject to properly form an argument in this one.

[rushyrulz]

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Viagra wasn't made for erectile dysfunction, it was a heart medicine. Now it has multiple purposes (assuming some people still use it for heart medication). It IS possible for something to be made for one thing and then adopt a new use later, you know.

[ScylaX]

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And I never said these were wrong, it's just it wasn't made for those things, so you're mis-using it. If a wheel barrow was MADE for transporting things while reducing as much weight and strain on the human body as can but then people use them for racing .(I love wheel barrow racing)

Oh wait, just answer this question, I'll develop it after that :
Since the penis is made to impregnate, is masturbation a mis-use of that organ ?

[MissClock]

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Oh wait, just answer this question, I'll develop it after that :
Since the penis is made to impregnate, is masturbation a mis-use of that organ ?

Yes, it is.

[ScylaX]

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You have no idea how wrong you are, then.
And this is a good example of why keeping a stricto sensu opinion on the things you think are meant to have "only one utility" is basically just a way to neglect other facts for the sake of "natural proof" (Like, you just have to go in a forest and see animals fornicate to show that this is made for that use), you have to know that us, humans, don't essentially lie on a "reproduction desire", it's more archaic I'd say, we're driven by sexual desires that aren't solely based on the need to procreate, that kind of desire doesn't only count as a sole matter of usefulness for the sustainability of the human race. It's not as "steady" as you would think.

Sure, reproductive organs are made to reproduce, that's their main use in the circle of life, however, it carries other purposes and that's the main cause on why humans (and some monkeys if I recall) are driven by sexual desires before the need to procreate (because, hey, if I follow your logic, love is just there for the sake of getting children, you're minimizing the effects of the cause a lot and forget that the human being can live without that and it's plain normal, since wanting a children is also a desire that is more constructed on the social situation of the family and the intentions of each member of the couple for his life in the near future can have a very high influence on the matter, they're not having any anomalies of some sort, all the things you neglect are a lot more fundamental and complex than what you're probably thinking currently). But there, I would have to define sexual psychology I think, so try finding some books on the matter, like Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality by Sigmund Freud. Of course, the subject progressed a lot since 1905, but Freud's ideas are easy to read and fundamentally right (well, neurology proved many of Freud's theories wrong, sure, but I can tell you that the theory of sexuality isn't some fabrication and is one of the least objected ideas of him)

EDIT : Thinking about it, maybe that idea will help most people that doubt of the "legitimacy" of homosexuality

[fido123]

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Yes, it is.

Would having sex with a condom be misuse of that organ as well? If you're not using it for reproduction, you're using it out of sexual desire or to feel good or whatever and anyway you would satisfy that would be proper use of that organ.