11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

[Reincarnate]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

The Erosion of Progress by Religions (Neil deGrasse Tyson): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxTMUTOz0w

It's really a shame

[speeddemon]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

In a sort of response to the earlier argument about looking at the pros and cons of religion, what is charity next to the millions upon millions of lives destroyed in such horrendous fashions that the religious seem to excel at creating? So many atrocities can be attributed to religion it's not even funny. And while religion may attempt to shape morals, it is often twisted by those who are truly evil to justify their actions. For every person it helps to find the goodness in their hearts, I can assure you there is another who has simply used it to make themselves believe they are righteous.

My main problem with religion is the constant attempts at conversion and hatemongering, the corruption it often sows, and the hypocrisy that is often a result. To me, it's like a pedophile luring children with promises of candy beyond their wildest imaginations, then convinces them to keep silent out of fear of the repercussions. Beyond that, I am simply tired of the sense of self importance it brings. I have never in my life met a single person who does not believe they are better because they have found religion. Never. They may smile and nod, but you can always see the pity in their eyes, hear their whispers behind your back about "finding the way".

Granted many atheists will act in a similar fashion, shaking their heads and saying how blind the religious are, but at least the ones I've met generally do not put themselves on a pedestal and attempt to avoid religious debates because they know that people tend to become fanatical and many a bridge can be burned in a simple argument.

I have a great example from my own life about one of the problems with the religious. Approximately a year and a half ago, I met someone who made me question my own sexuality without even trying to, and so we attempted to date, etc. For the first 3 months or so it was great, because his parents had no clue. Then he told them, and suddenly any attempt to meet was choked, until finally, about 1 month after that, his mother had a massive argument in the hope to force him into breaking up with me because of her Christian beliefs. I did not see or speak to him outside of school for 2 months, then had no opportunity whatsoever after i graduated because of the lock down she put on his life. In time it lessened, but for the past 9-10 months i have only been able to see him approximately 45 minutes a week, between 6 and 7 am, all because of a religious belief.

Given how it destroys relationships as easily as that, can you really blame people for acting so abrasively towards religion, since oftentimes the basis for such a thing is from beliefs instilled by a religion?

[Reincarnate]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

Neil deGrasse Tyson: Have You Heard This?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCn_TYbdXyM

I love this part (6:14 onward):

"I want someone to put electrodes on my head. And when I reflect on our kinship with the cosmos -- when I do the calculations that show that a 15 ton meteorite that we have at the Rose Center for Earth and space -- it’s an iron meteorite. When I do the calculations that shows if you take all the iron from the hemoglobin of the people in the tristate area of NY City. You can recover that much iron out of their blood and realize that the iron from that meteorite and the iron from your blood have common origin in the core of a star.

Tell me what part of my brain is lighting up? Because that excites me. That makes me want to grab people in the street and say “Have you heard this?!" That it is not simply as Carl Sagan says: “We are starstuff”. But there’s a more poetic and I think more accurate way to say it. It’s quite literally true that “we are stardust.” In the highest exalted way one can use that phrase.

And so I feel and I use words -- I bask in the majesty of the cosmos. I use words, Compose sentences that sound like the sentences I hear out of people who have revelations of Jesus who go on pilgrimages to Mecca, there is some commonality of feeling. I know it, I want someone to do that experiment. Because the day you do. If the same centers in my brain are excited by these comic thoughts as are going on in the mind of a religious person. That is something to know. That is going to be a really interesting finding.Because what that tells me as an educator is “Let me offer the Universe to the people” and they will start taking it in and they will start achieving those fellings that they had before. And I don’t care if they abandon previous feelings. I’ve got an offering that keeps growing, that keeps becoming more majestic. "

'I Am Offended!' - Richard Dawkins @ UC Berkeley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaJel...layer_embedded

[~kitty~]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

Blah, I give up. Religion has never done me any good. Whenever I think about my Religious family, I realize that I can just take the good things and leave everything else out, and actually not be in a religion. However, believing in a God doesn't make one lack of intelligence or wisdom or something. They can be truly intelligent and sane, but may think there's some reason to believe in such a thing yet lack the knowledge of it.

However, I hate the argument my dad makes. He thinks you can't deny God because you can't see "air," and you can't see God. Apparently this is what makes God exists and science stupid. I find it funny that to the atomic scale, you actually can see "air," and God is a being of existence that defies logic, depending on how you define who and/or what God is. I don't define God as most people do, and I am not saying he does exist. However, I think if God exists, there's no reason to believe he actually has emotions, or that he exists as a being like us with a consciousness like this, and there couldn't really be a train of thought in God, for he exists outside of time. It really makes you wonder, then, what is God? A lot of people I encountered say, "We are mortal and we will never understand God." That, I believe, is very hypocritical to say if you are a Christian. It implies that your Creator who apparently loves you in a humanly way (in which it almost would actually mean we are tiny 'God's') expects you to never know him until your death, but that's very sketchy. I would like a rational Christian to really tell me they can believe in their God.

If God exists, if an afterlife exists... I don't think it would be anything like what people say it is in their "holy books." There's no indication that we can believe any of it. However, the way I live my life, it could be convenient to believe there is, even if it seems absurd. Generally it helps with my mood sometimes. It pisses me off, however, to think of this God as what most people do, because then I would be better off dead. :s

I could never say that to my parents, though. They would hate me. I do think, though, that a lot of those who accuse Religion are biased. It's not that bad, and intelligent people can be religious and not in denial. However, a lot of you (especially Reincarnate) bring up good points in the flaws of Religion. Zero, that graph only represents Christianity, so it's not exactly determinate of your claim, but I wouldn't be surprised if the results were similar for others as well. This is probably going to be one of my last posts here, so whatever. Some of you might think I'm retarded or an idiot, think I am posting shit or something, but don't expect that to change how I think.

EDIT: Rereading what I typed, the reason I don't think the afterlife and God wont be the same is because of the convenience to us is just too great, and considering how the world exists, I can't really say that if these things exist, it really would make sense that a good God and a dream afterlife would be possible.

[OneHandNow]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

I enjoyed those videos, Marcus.

Thanks

[Reincarnate]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

The awesome part about science is that it gives you a far more beautiful and poetic view of the universe than any mundane religion can offer any day. It's such a privilege to live during a time when we are now beginning to understand our place in the cosmos much more intimately. It's a privilege that, relatively speaking, nobody before you had the pleasure of knowing.

It's one thing I'll always appreciate and love for as long as I live. To be literate in modern science is extremely empowering and emotionally moving.

So even if we aren't talking about judging reality on evidence... I can sure as hell tell you that, as Feynman put it, nature's imagination is so much greater than man's -- she's never going to let us relax.

[~kitty~]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

The awesome part about science is that it gives you a far more beautiful and poetic view of the universe than any mundane religion can offer any day. It's such a privilege to live during a time when we are now beginning to understand our place in the cosmos much more intimately. It's a privilege that, relatively speaking, nobody before you had the pleasure of knowing.

It's one thing I'll always appreciate and love for as long as I live. To be literate in modern science is extremely empowering and emotionally moving.

Damn those fascist Religious tards :[ lol

[rushyrulz]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

and rushy nobody cares my name is yellow now. deal with it broski

quit stroking your e-peen please.

[Calcium Deposit]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

Like most people, I really hope there isn't a god or gods because of all the wierd shit I do when I think no one is watching.

[ChesterDalton]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

you want proof bballa read the bible, the earth was created 6000 years ago? but yet quantum and carbon dating can prove to be over 65 billion years old and the universe itself billions of trillions, but no the bible said it was all created universe and all 6000 years ago. Everything in the bible points to proving its all false.

The age of neither the universe nor the earth is mentioned, so no conflict with scienctific estimates arises.

[leonid]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

The age of neither the universe nor the earth is mentioned, so no conflict with scienctific estimates arises.

wow

[Treia]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

fml . . . #8

Just kidding. I was always aware of that, just never really cared haha I'm going to Hell

[Mans0n]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

quit stroking your e-peen please.

nah im in a stroking mood bro, im stirrin up a stroke fest.

[robertsona]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway



HAHAHAHA I was waiting for someone to post this chart. What the **** does this even mean? How is the Y-axis being measured lol

[Mans0n]

Re: 11 Things the Bible Bans, But You Do Anyway

no idea haha