Could Gundams Be real? O.O

[ShAiOnEi]

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Hah listen those aren't MY words! Yes I typed them and all but i got that from other sources on the internet! If they could Legally do it they'd use cloning for THAT purpose! To obviously use it as a TEST! Don't you see? Obviously if you used your mind, scientists just want to save other peoples not the clones. Oh ya because obviously a clone is nothing compared to a real human being there is a difference! Or else you might as well just test **** out on REAL humans! "Oh lets do that" oh wait its against the LAW! Oops! Now you see that there is a difference. So please don't think I am joking nor trying to act stupid. this is real life were talking about. Obviously I know or else Id be shutting up and not continuing this.

Also, I do know how clones work and how they are made. And I said Made because they literally are made. Through splitting of the DNA strands. Now please tell me Im wrong.

You're wrong.

[LordTyriel]

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Ok, I didn't explain it further but thats a basic understanding of how a clone is made or produced. My bad.

[Xx{Midday}xX]

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You are in a way correct. Although my idea was merely to use them as yes soldiers yet in this way we have tons of them so think of cloning someone over 100 times. Its 100 of them although different in many ways ( mostly Mentally) You could train them and use them as soldiers. It is not like the Nazi's because obviously people agree to it before they get cloned. For examples this link here: http://www.globalchange.com/clonech.htm
This doctor allows people to be cloned and tells people how and pretty much tells them why its ok and a lot of other juicy info that you wanted so much to know.

Now about the ideal military, this is merely an Ideal I am not saying I would actually do it. but it is merely an idea because think of it. Clones, tons of them, theres hundreds of the same person. Tell me thats not useless! Its useful in a way that could be used either in a working way or in a military way. Now you could get them to work for you, which would be a good idea. or just as a military dog. Although Id suspect most people aren't like that. Obviously I can see that by people telling me that I am somehow being sorta like a nazi. Although I assure you I am not trying to do that I am telling you my ideal military or world. Just like using the technology that we have for military use as well.

We are not questioning the creation of clones. We are questioning the utilization of them as soldiers. Clones have the right to choose whether they want to join this ideal military or not. You have no right to subjugate them to such a decree. Just because you "create" a clone, does not mean it becomes your property. That is the same thing as slavery.

I would assume most humans would reject joining an army unless if conditioned to accept through environmental influence. Therefore, "clone army" can only exist only under the conditions that you subjugate them like slaves or property.

[Relambrien]

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Hah listen those aren't MY words! Yes I typed them and all but i got that from other sources on the internet!

Nice cop out.

If they could Legally do it they'd use cloning for THAT purpose! To obviously use it as a TEST! Don't you see? Obviously if you used your mind, scientists just want to save other peoples not the clones.

Clones are people. If you consider your twin a person, then your clone is a person.

Oh ya because obviously a clone is nothing compared to a real human being there is a difference! Or else you might as well just test **** out on REAL humans! "Oh lets do that" oh wait its against the LAW! Oops! Now you see that there is a difference.

You work under the assumption that scientists -will- experiment on clones. They will not, since they're as human as anyone else. There's a reason they use lab rats, not clones.

So please don't think I am joking nor trying to act stupid. this is real life were talking about. Obviously I know or else Id be shutting up and not continuing this.

I think it would be best if you shut up and didn't continue this. Your own words, not mine.

Also, I do know how clones work and how they are made. And I said Made because they literally are made. Through splitting of the DNA strands. Now please tell me Im wrong.

You're wrong. "Splitting of DNA strands" is how DNA replication--a normal process that occurs within humans, works. Cloning is done by taking a nucleus from one adult cell and implanting it into an egg, checking to see if it's developing normally, then placing the egg inside a surrogate mother. No "splitting of DNA strands" is involved.

[devonin]

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Actually that's a pretty basic misunderstanding of how a clone is made. This thread is weaving on and off topic like a drunk on St Patrick's day trying to pass a sobriety test.

Can we settle on something resembling a purpose to the thread, and try to keep to it?

[LordTyriel]

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Ugh as I said before. It would make sense to do that due to the clone being produced! If you could get a clone to do that, you could possible have a HUGE army! Tell me thats not something anyone wants in this world. I think we can all have a bigger army. Can't we? I mean firepower, and the soldiers! No one would need to join the military again! Nor would they need to sacrifice themselves in order for saving their country! They could live in a house with kids and work in different places away from it. Of course thats what everyone thinks would be great. Sadly not everyone does, people have there own ideals I believe this would work to our advantage as a country.

[devonin]

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No one would need to join the military again!

Stop.

Clones. Are. People.

They are EXACTLY the same as normal people with all the rights thereto.

The people you are going to FORCIBLY CONSCRIPT into the army are people, with the free right to choose.

Also, where in the world do you get the idea that every country having a gigantic army is somehow a good thing? All those people need somewhere to live, food to eat, water to drink etc etc.

[Xx{Midday}xX]

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Stop.

Clones. Are. People.

They are EXACTLY the same as normal people with all the rights thereto.

The people you are going to FORCIBLY CONSCRIPT into the army are people, with the free right to choose.

Also, where in the world do you get the idea that every country having a gigantic army is somehow a good thing? All those people need somewhere to live, food to eat, water to drink etc etc.

I think you have the right to put this whole post in B I U Size 7 Red, just to make the point go across. =)This idea was repeated nearly infinite times, but he doesn't seem to get that CLONE=REAL HUMAN with the same everything that we have.

No one would have to join the army, huh? Clones are joining the army. They are the "ones" joining the army. For an army to exist, someone has to be joining it.

[LordTyriel]

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You are correct. But having a bigger army means that you have a better chance of defending yourself against other countries in case of any disaster. Almost like World War 2. No one was prepared. No one is now. were all stuck in Iraq pretty much. What if someone pulled something on us? We'd be screwed! That is why we'd need a larger military. Plus here in Canada we don't have a HUGE navy. Were small. So if anything we'd be needing more Navy personnel. And might I also add that Clones may be human. But they, are named "Clones" For a reason. That is because they are made in a different way then what they naturally were born from. For examples if someone had a baby, it could have been something else and you put someone else strands of dna into it and make that clone, then your pretty much disrupting whatever was supposed to be born. Which is why I call them "things" or "Clones" and which is why they are named clones because they are different!

[Zythus]

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You are, by some criteria, declaring that clones are not parallel with humans in terms of rights. Like mentioned in this thread countless times, they have their separate minds and can make the decision to be autonomous. They aren't robots, they aren't brainwashed and hypnotized by humans to do our bidding. What makes you think that we can hope to accomplish clones as our substitutes on the battlefield?

And gundams? The technology is likely, but not the physical structure of an authentic gundam. Its all about minimizing the size and increase mobility and firepower. Real life isn't like an anime where the enemy shoots a barrage which always misses and then provides enough time for a counter attack.

This might be a manifestation of the symptoms of indulging in too much anime...

[devonin]

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Tyriel, for future attempts at Critical Thinking threads, you might try topics where you have a more full grasp of the science involved in what you're discussing. Unfortunately you have some idea that clones are less than human simply because they aren't created through sexual intercourse. Unfortunately for your topic, humanity is a function of species, and an offspring made from the DNA of humans is a human. Sex, In Vitro fertilization, etc etc all of these methods of creating new humans create humans.

These people are possesed of the same basic humanity and thus all the rights and responsibilities of humans. To suggest otherwise strikes me as either ignorant, or incredibly inhumane.

I'd say this topic has about run its course out. Clone armies are fun for Star Wars, but both the science and the morality of the concept leave much to be desired as a focus for active discussion.