Can anyone link for the lazy man? I mean, for those who want to watch the same trailer that tali watched for the sake of being consistent? I'm also confused as to how anything can be "put into context".
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I already linked it... scroll up.
To whoever was before you.... ummm, it's kind of obvious. Bush is giving a quote to reporters about terrorists. Taken out of context (like on the news or whatever) he appears very sincere. In context, as shown, he seems rather fake, as he goes on to say "Now watch this drive."Comment
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I don't seem to be able to grasp how saying "Now watch this drive," is considered fake. Also, the quote was probably taken out of context. For all you know, one person may have asked, "how well can you drive a golfball?" and another immediately asks a question, "what would you say to other nations in regard to terrorists?" He answered one, and answered the other. This is EXACTLY why people believe Michael Moore, and also why he is an idiot. If anything, that quote was "out of context," as you have no idea of what he was responding too.Comment
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He dosent look sincere at all when hes asking other nations to make war agaisnt Iraq. And when he talks about micheal Moore, he dosen't even seem to understand his own jokes.Truth lies in loneliness, When hope is long gone by -Blind Guardian, The Soulforged
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Farenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury is a "facist" government that spoon feeds its people all the information they need to know to make then controllable. Books are burnt to prevent peope from thinking for themselves and finding out the truth about things.Originally posted by GuidoHunter
Michael Moore's Farenheit 911 is about a "democractic" government that spoon feeds its people all the information regarding one of the most tragic events in American history to make them controllable (or War hungry). Bush used 9-11 as an excuse to attack Iraq when now there is absolutely no evidence that says that Iraq was involved with Al-Qaeda. Whether you believe that or not, that is what F-911 is about.
For anyone who had read the novel Farenheit 451 and comprehended it, would clearly see the resemblence. Moore did not steal the title, for it is different. And if Ray Bradbury objected to the movie title, wouldnt he have sued and/or raised a fuss about it? Wouldnt his publishing company have pressed charges? Well, they havent yet.
Also, where is your proof that he didnt consult him?Comment
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Maybe his publishing company hates Michael Moore. And they want to spring it on him at the last second, before it hits theaters. That would really be a kick in the balls to his ego, and would be funny. Muhahahaha.Comment
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Yeah, but then he would make a Documentary about it and make more money.Originally posted by xMrHxComment
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You're just grasping at possibilities. The entire clip is taken out of context, which makes it no longer valid.Originally posted by VerruckterComment
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Exactly, because Michael Moore is looking out for the "little man" from corrupt businesses that make loads of money. Making loads of money...hmmm, that's strange, sounds very familiar, sounds a lot like Michael Moores financial situation...Originally posted by jewpinthethirdComment
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Yeah, I was making a funny. And just because he has money doesnt mean he cant look out for the little guy anymore.Originally posted by xMrHxComment
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Originally posted by jewpinthethird
Ray Bradbury himself.
Doing what Moore did with the title is tantamount to trademark infringement in other commercial areas. I'm not sure if that applies to arts and literature, but if he had done that with a business slogan, he'd be in trouble. Legal action for something like this isn't always the best option; it's expensive and often not worth it. Bradbury's trying to bitch to Moore about it, but Moore won't talk to him. Plus, as I said before, more publicity will only help him, and nobody wants to do that.
What's this "absolutely no evidence" of connections between Al-Qaeda and Iraq of which you speak? Are you denying the flood of intelligence coming out that says otherwise? Hell, even the highly political 9/11 commision says that Iraqi leaders and bin Laden met with each other. Iraqi royalty granting audiences to top Al-Qaeda men sounds like a connection to me. Even if Iraq turned down a request to help in the 9/11 attacks, that doesn't mean at all that they didn't help for the multitude of terrorist attacks before then and since.
Of course, if you don't believe that and you were just stating that that was what's in the movie, I apologize and I'll give you some of your credit back.
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Originally posted by GrandiagodComment
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Touche. Or should I say something a little less French?Originally posted by GuidoHunterOriginally posted by jewpinthethird
Ray Bradbury himself.
Doing what Moore did with the title is tantamount to trademark infringement in other commercial areas. I'm not sure if that applies to arts and literature, but if he had done that with a business slogan, he'd be in trouble. Legal action for something like this isn't always the best option; it's expensive and often not worth it. Bradbury's trying to bitch to Moore about it, but Moore won't talk to him. Plus, as I said before, more publicity will only help him, and nobody wants to do that.
What's this "absolutely no evidence" of connections between Al-Qaeda and Iraq of which you speak? Are you denying the flood of intelligence coming out that says otherwise? Hell, even the highly political 9/11 commision says that Iraqi leaders and bin Laden met with each other. Iraqi royalty granting audiences to top Al-Qaeda men sounds like a connection to me. Even if Iraq turned down a request to help in the 9/11 attacks, that doesn't mean at all that they didn't help for the multitude of terrorist attacks before then and since.
Of course, if you don't believe that and you were just stating that that was what's in the movie, I apologize and I'll give you some of your credit back.
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okay, all this stuff about anti-michaelmorreism is new to me. never heard of MMHA, or that quote you gave.
what i DO know is that his first movie, Roger and Me, was funded by him holding bingo tournaments in his living room. he went lookin for the guy that ruined HIS hometown by taking away all the jobs just so GM motors could get a few more million dollars by cheating mexican workers and paying them crap, much like Nike does with kids in Indonesia (he did a movie about that one, too, called The Big One).
the whole town went to shit, and roger gave himself a few million dollars raise.
guido - you agree with what the people at enron did? stealing money so they can buy things so they can look better.
-Lewis BlackThey bought cars, some of which they never drove, art that they never looked at, multiple houses, and got them all remodeled!
too much money. old white people having all the money is how the economy's been doing it's thing. greedy mother fuckers like those at GM/nike/enron/all those others, are the reason that the gap between rich and poor is getting smaller. smaller gap = less "middle class", because there's no middle. there's either poor, or rich. trickle-down economics DO NOT WORK, and as long as old white guys control the country, it'll never change for the better.Comment
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Guido, the 9/11 comission found that there was no connection between Al Qaeda and Iraq except that they had a mutual agreement not to attack each other. Iraq refused to give the terrorist organization any aid. Source: ABCNEWS, yesterday (Wednesday's).
Also, you guys are looking at Michael Moore as though he is trying to make a fair and balanced documentary. He isn't. He's creating an editorial, a vehicle through which to espouse his ideas. And it's not like he's not allowed to, either. I watch his movies not necessarily to learn something, but more to consider another point of view, and for entertainment.
Anyone who takes everything they see at face value, whether it be Fahrenheit 9/11 or Michael Moore Hates America, is seriously very naive. Michael Moore (and Michael Wilson) are creating films through which to express their ideas, except unlike other directors who use pure fiction, they use warped fact.
And even if you disagree with his viewpoint, you can at least respect him as a filmmaker in much the same way as I can respect Pres. Bush for being a charismatic leader while totally disagreeing with his policies.Comment
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I'm seeing the movie. Not just because I hate Bush, think Iraq was a screwup, loved bowling for columbine, and found 'Stupid White Men' hilariously funny (I'm henceforth referring to Bush as our 'Idiot-in-Chief, complements to Moore for the splendid title).
No, I dont agree with Moore because he's Moore, and I don't agree with a lot of his political opinions because he hates Bush. In all honesty, I disagreed with a lot of what he said in Stupid White Men and Bowling for Columbine. I still found it entertaining and enteresting to watch. It's the same reason I kept going to sunday school after I stopped believing. I just wanted to see what the other end of the spectrum thinks.
You guys are also going about this all wrong. You keep talking about how anti-bush and whatnot his movie is, but that's because its supposed to be. Farenheit 911 is a biased documentary, just like Bowling for Columbine was. Who cares if it bashes Bush, the government, and pretty much everyone Moore hates? Freedom of speech, friends.
Finally, who gives a flying fuck if Moore took 'Farenheit' from the title? Really, guys, let's get more petty, shall we?Comment
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