Do you believe in God?

[Naeguro]

For me, there have some been some very faith affirming events in my life that leads me to cement my belief in god. For example, a few years back my grandmother was diagnosed with cancer, she was on so much morphine and drugs for the pain and cancer treatment that she was very rarely awake, and unable to speak, but moments before she passed away, she just sat up in her bed and began singing a korean religious song that roughly translates to something like "God I'm coming to you, I'm coming to the gates of heaven," and then of course she passed.

I believe that people should come to their own conclusions on life and their religious beliefs based on their own personal experiences and ideas and thats really the only way a person can derive their own faith, whether it be in god, or no faith in anything at all.

Thats my 2 cents, hola.

[Laharl]

The only posts I've seen in this thread by people that believe in God automatically assume that those that do not believe in God are not interested in what they have to say. All I get out of this is that it is the believers that are not interested in the other side of the fence. If you're solid in your faith you shouldn't have to be so quick to close your eyes.

So I'm the one with the closed eyes, eh?

Do you realize how many times I've argued this before? I've never, not a SINGLE TIME, had the other side even remotely interested in what I have to say. It's always been an active campaign to get me to give up the Truth of my knowledge.

As I stated before, I dislike to argue with people that aren't even going to listen to the other person. Especially when I feel the exact same way back.

But I also don't claim to be open-minded. Being "open-minded" is foolish, but that's another arguement for another day.

[pxbluesoul]

Believe whatever works for you. I don't tell people to give up their religion, I just say where I stand. Sure I'm interested in what you have to say, but more often than not it becomes, as you astutely put it, "an active campaign to get me to give up the truth of my knowledge". We've had similar experiences, just from opposite sides of the fence.

"Religion's like shoes with lifts in them. If they work for you, great. Just don't make me wear your shoes."
-George Carlin

[nickishere]

You all have very valid points so i guess theres nothing really to debate about here. I guess its just whatever you want to believe in.

[Salchite]

Why would someone waste their time on a 1,000 page bible full of proverbs and citings, and not care for payment or royalties of their work.

Why did people write the greek myths, why did native americans have their myths? For the same reason the bible was created, to explain events which were unexplainable in that time.

I agree that religion gives people a way to cope and a way to have hope that something better is out there. People who are religious never bother me because we all need a way to cope. They don't bother me but their undeniable faith in something not tangible befuddles me.

[pxbluesoul]

Why did people write the greek myths, why did native americans have their myths? For the same reason the bible was created, to explain events which were unexplainable in that time.

I don't think this is entirely accurate but your use of the word myth amused me. Mostly because that's what people call a religion other than theirs, monotheistic religions anyway.

[RajginKisaragi]

Cool.

God = Luck Factor.

Luck = Making life interesting.

God = Cool.

Now that's a new concept.

I'm not making fun of you or anything Omega, but I just think that God sucks. I've spent over eight years worshiping his ass, and didn't get a single reply for anything.

So here's mine ok?

Asshole:

life = hell

hell = people

people = made up god

made up god = asshole

[Pennybags]

Cool.

God = Luck Factor.

Luck = Making life interesting.

God = Cool.

Now that's a new concept.

I'm not making fun of you or anything Omega, but I just think that God sucks. I've spent over eight years worshiping his ass, and didn't get a single reply for anything.

So here's mine ok?

Asshole:

life = hell

hell = people

people = made up god

made up god = asshole

All right then here's mine.

It don't matter what you say or do, you're saved:

Jesus = Died on Cross

Died on Cross = Payment for All Sins

Payment for All Sins = No remaining sins

No remaining sins = Perfection in God's eyes

Perfection in God's eyes = It don't matter what you say or do, you're saved.

[pxbluesoul]

I'll go kill some motherfuckers then.

Edit: For the purpose of surprise, I'm not naming names either.

[alvask8er]

Grrr

i dont see how someone can not believe in God. where the crap else could everything have come from?

Age old question: Where did "he" come from? Who made him? Oh, he is just there. Always been that way. ?

Perfection in God's eyes = It don't matter what you say or do, you're saved.

So what about those who believe "he"has a set list already of who goes where? And if we are all saved, what is the point of anything religous?

As for religion, in my town of approx. 19K , (not MY town, but the one i live in), in the phone book, there are over 30 differnt churches, most different denominations.(sp?) Now, most of them believe in "god," and worship him, but do it in slightly differnt manner. My family is Catholic, i guess they are the only ones to bless themselves. So how can so many differnt forms all work for one being? And blast, i cannot remember where i read this, but it was credible. Science has proven how all miracles through scientific events, except for the parting of the sea by moses. Im not trying to make anyone change their beliefs, those who believe do so, i have tried it. i no longer believe, for all the smite i have dished out. Maybe it has not come back to me. I can honestly say F the lord, F satan, F religon. Ive said this so many times. I have so much to rant about this topic....dont think i can do it. The lord works in mysterious ways? This is true, gives hope to those who start to doubt "him." My grandma was very faithful, always did good, went to church more than just sunday, and she got stomach cancer. Now im sure many of those who believe get all the bad stuff. Also many of those who do not believe get it, too. From what i have herad and read, 'god" has no control over free will. Ick my BP is really high now but i just cant rant anymore...everyone has their own opinons...entitled to them... back to original Topic: I do not believe in God.

[GuidoHunter]

But I also don't claim to be open-minded. Being "open-minded" is foolish, but that's another arguement for another day.

Righteous, Laharl. I totally agree.

Anyway, I used to be cynical and deny God's existence, but then I grew up.

There, I've answered the question, so I'll leave a comment for the original poster: You bid someone "adieu". It means "goodbye" in French.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Moogy]

If there is a higher power, it sure as hell won't give a shit if I don't worship it.

My sentiments exactly.

[Laharl]

Anyway, I used to be cynical and deny God's existence, but then I grew up.

This made me remember something else.

Now, to all those that claim there is no higher power because they feel it's the only logica or intelligent conclusion anyone can prove, take this into consideration. Pretty much every major mind in the history of mankind, including our top scientists today, believe in a higher power. Ever hear of a guy named Isaac Newton? Was the guy that figured out mathmatically how gravity works, and invented calculus, the highest form of math, in 2 weeks. He believed in God. You recall those group of guys that wrote the Constitution? They believed in a higher power. Ever hear of a dude named Robert Oppenheimer? He sort of created the Nuclear bomb. He believed there was something greater than mankind watching over us. Have you ever heard of Stephen Hawking? He's the most intelligent man on earth living today. He believes in God.

These men define what science is today. You know, science. That stuff that is supposed to disprove the existance of God.

[DracIV]

Woah woah woah. Stop right there. Science is not "that stuff that is supposed to disprove the existance of God." Religion is an entirely person-by-person thing and science has nothing to do with religion at all. This topic has been debated to death so much that it is pointless to try and actually make a new strong debate out of this. Oh yeah, and disproving and proving a god are both logical processes: many use personal logic to prove no gods exist, but many others also use personal logic to prove that it doesn't matter either way and they'd rather believe.

[Chrissi]

Isaac Newton was also adamant about the particle model for light. And he was wrong.

Just because people do great things and believe in God doesn't mean it's great to believe in God.

Science has little to do with religion. If science happens to disprove any religion, it just happens to. The difference between science and religion is that scientists never claim that anything is 100% true unless it's been 100% proven, they take back things they find out are wrong, and they evolve their ideas. For the goodness of mankind.

I don't actively believe in a God, because I don't know if there exists a deity or not. And as I like to think- if there is a God, are we really so important as to know everything about Him/Her/It? I don't think so. God's bigger than us all, so I won't assume a single thing about it.