Global Warming:Real or Fake?

[Nezeru]

Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

Professor John Christy is the only one whose name I can think of off of the top of my head, but I know there are quite a few others.

talisman, please find sources to back your claims. I don't consider the IPCC to be a reliable source because of the numerous controversies surrounding it.

[talisman]

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Well, I DO find the IPCC to be a reliable source because there aren't "numerous controversies" surrounding it. As I already posted, it's widely endorsed by the scientific community and by governing bodies worldwide.

If you want, I could just pull up every single article written about global climate change in the past decade or so.

[Cavernio]

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Question: The burning of fossil fuels releases CO2. It also releases heat. Could it not be that we're simply warming the earth with ALL of our activity which causes heat, from lighting homes to refining oil to just about everything that's powered?
Am I just being stupid?
I don't mean to say the greenhouse effect is nonexistant, or that other factors don't exist.

[Iam_a_Maid]

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Question: The burning of fossil fuels releases CO2. It also releases heat. Could it not be that we're simply warming the earth with ALL of our activity which causes heat, from lighting homes to refining oil to just about everything that's powered?
Am I just being stupid?

No, you make perfect sense, just some people are too, how one should put it lightly, ignorant, dumb, in denial.

The title of the thread is Global Warming:Real or Fake?... guess what, it is real. Is global warming a natural occurrence or artificial. It is natural and happens in cycles, yet this cycle seems to be a lot more acute. Could it be that humans accelerated the process? After thinking about this rationally. It definitely seems like we do.

Now, one could argue that humans are just part of nature and even though we define things as artificial, we are just part of nature and for better or worse natural cycle will go on. In that case global warming is indeed a natural occurrence and we have nothing to worry about, because it is how it is. Even though we might be wiped out because balance has shifted and we couldn't adapt to natural* order of things. But hey, that's nature* for you .

I could go on and on and on. ;p

[Cavernio]

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Errm, my point wasn't that global warming exists, there are facts saying that the world is warming up. The reason behind global warming is what's being hotly debated, and no one's mentioned that modern culture converts A LOT of energy, and in every single thing I think of, heat is a form of that energy which is always released. Even using wind energy, we'd still be creating heat, right?

I agree with you though Maid, that people are a part of the eco-system too, and that species living on the earth seem to have direct impacts on the geology of the earth. It's sad that things like extinction happen, but guess what, they'd happen without us around anyways.

[talisman]

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In most cases with fossil fuel burning, the heat that is generated is converted into energy (obviously not perfectly). For example, in power plants it's used to boil water to make steam to turn a turbine to generate electricity. I couldn't tell you, though, if the dissipation of heat from just natural oil fires or whatever actually has any kind of a significant impact.

[Nezeru]

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All living things give off heat. Humans are a very small percentage of that.

[GuidoHunter]

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I doubt that the percentage of heat that we give off (through combustion and other things we do) is significant with respect to the reradiated solar energy.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Cavernio]

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Compared to the total amount of solar energy reradiated in total, I'm sure that what we give off is insignificant too. However, is it insignificant compared to the amount of re-radiation that the increase in CO2, suspected to be caused by humans, causes? It's only 0.7 degrees that's been raised globally. For instance, there're significant differences in heat between a city and wilderness, often by a few degrees. (Yes, there're many things affecting this, one of them being heat by the sun trapped in concrete, just more re-radiation, but of a different type than greenhouse effect.) I don't suppose anyone has any figures about how much heat any given area of human development gives off? I'm completely willing to acceed my point as moot given some data.

Also, I wasn't talking about 'people' giving off heat. I'm talking about cars, factories, homes, businesses, etc. giving off heat, not just burning of fossil fuels. Like, conventional light bulbs give off something like 80% heat, 20% light. No other living thing harnesses energy the way humans do.

[sgkoneko]

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Global warming is real. But here's where I'll probably lean my argument towards the right for once.

A. The only source is not humans, it was occurring anyways
B. Siberia(as a result of the land mass itself, not as a result of the people) is causing the most pollution because of methane being released from something I can't remember. It's not the people's fault and no one can do anything about it I know that much.
C. Humans are speeding the process up but never started it or caused it.
D. Yes we can do things to make the enviroment better, which would be good all around, but of course only when something like an ice age could be the result of our carelessness, do people do something about it, and not even then!
But the point is being that this will only slow down the inevitable. Global warming will cause an ice age whether we start caring for our enviroment or not.

[Nezeru]

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Replying to Cavernio:

There are two case studies mentioned in my essay in a previous post (my second in this thread, I believe) about this. It's called the urban heat island effect, and its effects are calculated into global temperature studies (but also see that section of my essay on how this is inaccurate).

[blahman12]

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We might be aware of global warming, even more aware later. I've read that each day, global warming increases the "planned" temperature by about 1 degree. It's real, I didnt even get any snow, or by any chances by January or February. That's maybe why I got snow REALLY LATE on the 2007 year.

[Wlfwnd91]

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We might be aware of global warming, even more aware later. I've read that each day, global warming increases the "planned" temperature by about 1 degree. It's real, I didnt even get any snow, or by any chances by January or February. That's maybe why I got snow REALLY LATE on the 2007 year.

I read something about a talking snake and witchcraft somewhere too.. Hmm.. Let's believe everything we read instead of questioning and using our own logic. And if you want to use current weather as evidence for global warming, then my weather for this year would prove it to be a crock. We had a horrid snow storm early october, and had a snow storm after spring break. There was more snow this year than just about any of the past 5-10 years.

[smartdude1212]

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Global warming doesn't just make the temperatures warmer, but as a result causes the temperatures to fluctuate and create different weather patterns than normal.

[lord_carbo]

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I read something about a talking snake and witchcraft somewhere too.. Hmm.. Let's believe everything we read instead of questioning and using our own logic. And if you want to use current weather as evidence for global warming, then my weather for this year would prove it to be a crock. We had a horrid snow storm early october, and had a snow storm after spring break. There was more snow this year than just about any of the past 5-10 years.

You're comparing modern text by people qualified to say such to random people from 2000+ years ago? There's no comparison.