Global Warming:Real or Fake?

[archbishopjabber]

Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

Is anyone worried about all the bees dying? I don't think it is really tied into this, but it certainly could be. Even the slightest climatic fluctuations can lead to a butterfly effect.

I think global warming is used as a political tool and I think Al Gore is a self righteous ass but I also believe that it is ignorant to think our pollution has no effect on the world around us. The bottom line is fossil fuels are not very efficient and we should get off them regardless of whether or not they are increasing global temperature. If a trillion dollars of research could lead to cold fusion, it would be more than worth while with all the energy we could produce. It could open up almost unlimited potential. If global warming lights the fire under people to get them to look into alternative energy, then I care not whether it is real or fake. Oil sucks, end of story.

[talisman]

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I'm not a climatologist (neither is anyone else here) and I haven't read all the scientific literature on recent climate change (neither has anyone else here).

But I don't see how anyone could manage to thoroughly refute what the IPCC, a nongovernmental body of thousands of disagreeing, nitpicky scientists has said. It states that global warming is unequivocally occurring. It also states that this is "very likely" (>90% chance) that this is due to human activities.

I know science doesn't prove anything, scientists can be wrong, blahblahblah. But when thousands of scientists contribute and hundreds argue over every minute detail and still agree on the above claims, I don't see how any nonexpert can refute their claims.

In fact, I'll give anyone a dollar who can run through the latest IPCC report (the january one) and refute, logically, every argument it makes, and refute every study it cites. Until you can do that, let the science speak for itself.

[sjoecool1991]

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Supposedly, the average temperature of the earth increases one degree every 78 years.

[6 p01nt3d*st@r]

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this is why i dont ussaly post in the critical thinking

[Relambrien]

Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

I'm not a climatologist (neither is anyone else here) and I haven't read all the scientific literature on recent climate change (neither has anyone else here).

But I don't see how anyone could manage to thoroughly refute what the IPCC, a nongovernmental body of thousands of disagreeing, nitpicky scientists has said. It states that global warming is unequivocally occurring. It also states that this is "very likely" (>90% chance) that this is due to human activities.

I know science doesn't prove anything, scientists can be wrong, blahblahblah. But when thousands of scientists contribute and hundreds argue over every minute detail and still agree on the above claims, I don't see how any nonexpert can refute their claims.

In fact, I'll give anyone a dollar who can run through the latest IPCC report (the january one) and refute, logically, every argument it makes, and refute every study it cites. Until you can do that, let the science speak for itself.

Thousands may be disagreeing, but 19,000 who signed the Oregon Petition agree that global warming does NOT have a human effect.

And I encourage you to read the transcript of Climate of Fear linked to earlier in this thread. It contains information about the IPCC and is very insightful; it may change your opinion since there are several experts on the subject talking about the other side of the argument.

[-Fallen-]

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I believe the global warming is just a part of the earth's "life" and cycle. The "Ice Age" was certainly not a human consequence, and nor is this.

[talisman]

Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

19,000 experts in recent climate change?

[Relambrien]

Re: Global Warming:Real or Fake?

19,000 experts in recent climate change?

I would assume that scientists wouldn't be so idiotic as to support something they have no idea about.

So perhaps not "experts" in that they're not gurus about it, but close. Enough to know what they're talking about more than the average scientist, I'd wager.

But I don't know much about the Oregon Petition beyond what I posted earlier, so I can't be certain.

[madmatt621]

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If there was no such thing as global warming, then how do you explain the ice melting in the Arctics?

[-Fallen-]

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Nobody said it didn't exist. It's whether it's just a part of the earth's cycle or because of human activities.

[talisman]

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actually quite a few people in the thread said it didn't exist. well, a few anyway.

[Squeek]

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If there was no such thing as global warming, then how do you explain the ice melting in the Arctics?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_layer

[talisman]

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that doesn't make much sense, seeing as how there isn't an ozone hole at the north pole and the one at the south pole is on its way to recovery.

[Relambrien]

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actually quite a few people in the thread said it didn't exist. well, a few anyway.

I can't speak for the others for certain, but I would assume that by saying "global warming doesn't exist" they meant "humans aren't doing anything that would cause an effect like global warming."
Classroom instruction on global warming tends to go hand in hand with saying that humans are the cause of it, so the phrase "global warming" becomes "human effect on the Earth's climate, causing the temperature to increase."

the one at the south pole is on its way to recovery.

So the Earth is actually cooling at the south pole then? What I'm forced to assume is that since you don't believe the ozone hole is the cause of arctic melting, you believe global warming is the cause of arctic melting (which is entirely possible, even probable. Temperature goes up, things melt). Thus, if the south pole is recovering, the temperature must be going down.

If that isn't what you mean, elaborate please. Or just drop it if you like; you didn't bring up the argument anyway. You have no obligation to continue with it, in my opinion.

[Squeek]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_layer#Ozone_depletion

On January 23, 1978, Sweden became the first nation to ban CFC-containing aerosol sprays that are thought to damage the ozone layer. A few other countries, including the United States, Canada, and Norway, followed suit later that year, but the European Community rejected an analogous proposal. Even in the U.S., chlorofluorocarbons continued to be used in other applications, such as refrigeration and industrial cleaning, until after the discovery of the Antarctic ozone hole in 1985. After negotiation of an international treaty (the Montreal Protocol), CFC production was sharply limited beginning in 1987 and phased out completely by 1996.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

The Antarctic ozone hole is an area of the Antarctic stratosphere in which the recent ozone levels have dropped to as low as 33% of their pre-1975 values. The ozone hole occurs during the Antarctic spring, from September to early December, as strong westerly winds start to circulate around the continent and create an atmospheric container. Within this "polar vortex", over 50% of the lower stratospheric ozone is destroyed during the antarctic spring.[8]