Thoughts on President Bush and Iraq

[jewpinthethird]

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jewpin, are you suggesting a "**** 'em i dont care" type policy? I'm just as anti-war and anti-bush as anyone, but I still feel that we shouldn't just go "oops lol we messed up have fun with ur 'sectarian violence' which is really a civil war".

No, there is no "we" here. What I am saying is that I was against the war since the beginning. I had nothing to do with this f*cking war and I should not be held accountable for the actions of others. Iraq's a sh*t storm? Well, it's not my problem.

[Izzy-chandess]

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Bush is just a simple-minded ape and I wish I could deck him in the face but I am a peaceful creature and will restrain myself. HOWEVER!!! This whole "put more troops into Iraq" is extremely silly. We don't need more troops in there, this is not the middle ages, we have technology to go in there for us. It makes me wonder what kind of monkey is running this country.

I do see some logic in my dad's reasoning as to why Bush is in Iraq in the first place. He told me that Bush is just wanting to finish daddy's work or right his father's wrong with putting Saddam Hussein in power. I'm not so sure on that myself but I can see where Dad came to that conclusion.

It still doesn't fix the fact that Bush is a monkey and we will all be grateful for next election... if there are actually any good candidates. T_T

[talisman]

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So bush's argument right now is essentially "We need a political solution but we won't get one without security. Long-term addition of troops." Democrats say "We need security, but we won't get it without a political solution. If we leave, the resulting pressure will force the Iraqi gov't to solve its own problems."

Personally, I'm not convinced either way will work. We'll see if additional troops in Baghdad can do anything by this summer. Surges have been tried before, but they've then largely failed after we left. So does that mean we have to stay there forever? Clearly, the Iraqi troops have to be better trained, and the reports I read about their competence (there was a great first hand account in the times a few days ago) make me pessimistic about this happening. And if we start to withdraw, I don't know how much more pressure the gov't can take. They already barely have enough Parliament members show up to actually pass legislation.

It's just a ****ty situation.

[Anticrombie0909]

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Iraq was a bad ****ing idea to begin with.

100 years ago, Britain tried to civilize the middle east. Between sending missionaries to preach the word of god and soldiers to quell the secular violence, they tried unsuccessfully to stop the fighting for decades before giving up and declaring it couldn't be done.

These stupid, ignorant groups of people have fought for hundreds of years, and we flatter ourselves to think that our involvement is suddenly going to make them shut up and stop fighting. If anything, we've escalated this war by removing whatever form of government that (while certainly far from perfect) economically supported and controlled it's people.

What, you think Iran's government is any less corrupt? Syria? Pakistan? Why aren't we liberating the people who actually live in third world countries? Say what you want about Saddam and his panache for executing political opponents, but the man knew how to run a government, and he did a lot of really good things for that country.

It might have also helped if Bush could, for two ****ing seconds, stick to his guns about the actual reason we're there. Let's see. This seems to be Bush's game plan.

1. Convince America of pseudo-connection to 9/11. Fabricate one if neccessary, nobody will remember in two years anyway.
2. Kick the **** out of Saddam. Gotta have us a good 'ol Texas hanging (and a scapegoat).
3. Remove the only tangible form of government those people have ever known.
4. Escalate violence between sects, start civil war.
5. Increase troops and listen to nobody's advice but your own, including the wishes of the American people whose lives you're wasting.
6. ???
7. Profit

Moron.

[purebloodtexan]

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Note that nobody refers to it as a "civil war" in politics though. Americans tend to shy away from interfering in "civil wars" statistically, and Bush dosen't want his already low approval rate to drop even further. And you're right, sending more troops into Iraq is a bad plan. We need to pull out.

If we pull out, is there any chance of extremists attacking US soil? That's what I'm curious about.

When I first heard about us invading Iraq, it was to disarm Saddam and his "followers", which (Now that I actually have some sense) I didn't have any major problems with. If my memory is right, excuse after excuse after excuse became to pile up, 'till the middle east was a complete war zone. Now that we're knee-deep, I think that Bush finds that sending more troops will end the war (Correct me if I made a fault in my grammar) quicker.

We don't need more troops in there, this is not the middle ages, we have technology to go in there for us.

All organized nations are to "abide" by the laws of war, which means that we shouldn't carry out unnecessary destruction, whether it's intentional or not. If we did that, we'd have to make up for that mess in addition to the mess we've already created.

I'm not supporting the additional men or going against it, but my main thought is that I'd hate to be in Bush's situation. The entire nation, those that love him and hate him, are basically watching his every move.......

[Dwhite]

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I think we should've trained prisoners instead of good kids to go over there. Instead our prisoners get to watch TV with a roof over their head and 3 meals daily while our kids are getting a tent and killed. Personally that is not cool. This is a war that will never end! Look at the history behind these people, it dates back to the Bible. America got involved decades before 9/11 and it caught up to us. Americans cannot handle the truth. I remember seeing Bush's face while he was in a classroom, his advisor told him the twin towers were hit, he sat there a minute with a blank face! Americans all think it could never happen to this all mighty country...WRONG. They slapped our government in the face and brutally killed. Howabout the hurricane that totally wiped out New Orleans? No one ever thought IT would happen. The people on welfare standing on their roofs waiting on someone to give them something, waiting on someone to save them, while other resourceful people grabbed a boat beside them floating by and used it. "Just Pay taxes, We are on our own" that says to me. The president couldn't stop the twin towers from happening, who knows what's next? Because the way America thinks, there's always going to be loop holes for terrorist to get through it's just a matter of time. Good Luck to us all!!!!

[FictionJunction]

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How does one respond to this?

[purebloodtexan]

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I think we should've trained prisoners instead of good kids to go over there. Instead our prisoners get to watch TV with a roof over their head and 3 meals daily while our kids are getting a tent and killed. Personally that is not cool. This is a war that will never end! Look at the history behind these people, it dates back to the Bible. America got involved decades before 9/11 and it caught up to us. Americans cannot handle the truth. I remember seeing Bush's face while he was in a classroom, his advisor told him the twin towers were hit, he sat there a minute with a blank face! Americans all think it could never happen to this all mighty country...WRONG. They slapped our government in the face and brutally killed. Howabout the hurricane that totally wiped out New Orleans? No one ever thought IT would happen. The people on welfare standing on their roofs waiting on someone to give them something, waiting on someone to save them, while other resourceful people grabbed a boat beside them floating by and used it. "Just Pay taxes, We are on our own" that says to me. The president couldn't stop the twin towers from happening, who knows what's next? Because the way America thinks, there's always going to be loop holes for terrorist to get through it's just a matter of time. Good Luck to us all!!!!

I'm not entirely sure what the real story is, but try walking out of an elementary/primary school classroom saying "I gotta go, we're under attack". Well, that and the fact that the kids don't know of any faults that Bush may have commited, and respect as a government leader, anyway.

I don't know, maybe he didn't know what to do. It's not easy to make big presidential decisions right out of a elementary school classroom.

Now that I think about it, it had to happen eventually.

Howabout the hurricane that totally wiped out New Orleans? No one ever thought IT would happen.

Well, as far as I know, the mayor didn't take any real action against the hurricane in addition to the unexpected breaking of the levees (forgot how to spell it).

The president couldn't stop the twin towers from happening, who knows what's next?

There's a reason why the guys got on there in the first place: Just about the entire country didn't know of their plot, and it was well thought out over a long period of time. All enemies are cunning to a certain extent, no matter how big or small.

On top of that, the president doesn't watch EVERY SINGLE THING in the United States. He isn't SuperBush or something.

[shockjitsu]

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Bush Is The Worst Thing That Ever Happend!!!

[purebloodtexan]

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Bush Is The Worst Thing That Ever Happend!!!

This is Critical Thinking, dude.

[Dwhite]

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I'm not saying Bush or any Government official is bad, I wouldn't want there job, too much to deal with. I just mean we have too much within our home land that's not fixed... alot of confusion. Stuff runs down hill. Our Government runs this land like a corporation, the right hand doesn't really know what the left hand is doing. We welcome into the country everybody(loophole#1)
To think we can organize another country is crazy. But we have no say, so if it was me......................................
We are training the wrong people to fight over there. Empty all correctional institutions out with good able bodied crims and train them, send them, (hope they don't come back) They died for good cause right? Maybe their parents would be proud of them for a change and we wouldn't have to house / feed them either lol!
Kill two birds with one stone

[purebloodtexan]

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I'm not saying Bush or any Government official is bad, I wouldn't want there job, too much to deal with. I just mean we have too much within our home land that's not fixed... alot of confusion. Stuff runs down hill. Our Government runs this land like a corporation, the right hand doesn't really know what the left hand is doing. We welcome into the country everybody(loophole#1)
To think we can organize another country is crazy. But we have no say, so if it was me......................................
We are training the wrong people to fight over there. Empty all correctional institutions out with good able bodied crims and train them, send them, (hope they don't come back) They died for good cause right? Maybe their parents would be proud of them for a change and we wouldn't have to house / feed them either lol!
Kill two birds with one stone

Other than the emphasized portion, well said.

[tsugomaru]

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DWhite, this is exactly how you shouldn't run a country. There are plenty of reasons to hate Bush but those aren't the right ones.

First of all, criminals and prisoners would not be used for combat because they can bail on us at vital moments. We wouldn't be killing two birds with one stone, rather, we'd be giving enemies on the open field a chance to beat us.

Second of all, this country was build on the basis of equality and freedom. Sure, it isn't perfect, but it is one of the best attempt the world had at one time. I mean, pretty much in no other place would accept the diversity of people. Sure, we have had our problems in the past with the immigration of the Chinese and Japanese but that was fixed. Currently, we are having problems with Mexicans coming into the US but maybe the US will pull through and just allow them in. If you close off these priveledges to everyone and only allow Americans to go in and out, you defeat the purpose of the Constitution.

Finally, even though this has nothing to do with Dwhite, I'd still like to say that America was welcomed into Iraq at first but now, Iraq wants us out and Saddam back because during his rule, there was stability with a heavy price and the people are yearning for this stability that the US cannot offer.

~Tsugomaru

[Dwhite]

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I love this country.Okay, So our English language is moved down now to be our second/third language? Look at our products you have to look hard for the English version LOL. If everyone wants to be Americans why can't we just speak English? I'm choosing not to go back to school to learn someone elses' language. I'm not closed minded at all, it's my right, freedom of speech in the language I was born speaking. I never said close off privilages. I just meant by letting everyone in, it's a huge loophole for anti Americans to blend in with the population, sitting dormant, killing us silently in small ways noone even thinks about.
Do you realize how many doctors came in to this country good and bad ones?while it was brewing, USA intrusted their families with those doctors, they got away with murder, cases that were so simple to treat, those same patients ended up in the morgues within weeks/months of treatments. The docs sent money back to their country from those patients to help fight us. Just one doctor had killed 400 patients, that's scary. Yet on the other hand American criminals have killed the same amount as terrorists all together and 10 fold. I bet our founding fathers would have put clauses in the Constitution if they were here now.

[tsugomaru]

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When some people come to America, it is because America is a land of hope for them. Here, people can do what they want as you said, or more so than in any other country. In America, the government might pay for you college and not asked to be paid back while in other countries, the government will pay for you education as long as you serve them for the rest of your life. They come here to escape such tyrannies.

Although sometimes I do find it annoying that people aren't speaking my language, English, we cannot tell them they should learn our language. They have the freedom of speech as you said and they have no need to learn our language to prove themselves to be American.

So what if you hate these certain groups of people? So what if a few of many are bad eggs? Does this mean that America should consider closing itself off from the world to many people who have dreams of coming here to live a life?

~Tsugomaru