Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

[CypherToorima]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

After reading this thread, I have lost any and all respect I had for FoJaR. I'm not sure if that means much to anyone, but I thought I'd point that out.

[Silvuh]

Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

SECTION 1. Article I, Texas Constitution, is amended by adding Section 32 to read as follows:

Sec. 32. (a) Marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman.
(b) This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage.
SECTION 2. . .

(Of course, those weren't bold in the proposition, but that's just something you can't miss.)
Proposition 2 passed by Texas voters on November 8, 2005 by approximately 76% Yes, 24% No.
xxxxx I probably haven't looked enough into this subject yet to have a reasonable, opinionated argument, but I can say this: the age of consent ranges from 16-18 in the U.S. Marriageable age is generally 18, usually only going lower with parental consent (14-year-olds can not get married without parental consent anywhere in the U.S.)

Post script: If you need some comic relief on the subject... http://idrewthis.org/comics/idt20060329equality.png
Post-post script: I wonder if Canda has ever made a big deal of this whole thing. I would rather be living in British Columbia than Texas...

[talisman]

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Slippery slope is completely laughable... tell that to Canada, Spain, South Africa. Yeah. Lots of legal bestiality there. Marriage is about people, not any old entity.

[GuidoHunter]

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Suehappy America and its crazies has a lot better chance of its happening than in those countries.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ckj846]

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Ok, I think I really just had to say something here. Again, people get pissed off at me all the time for using this comparison but I will use it again because it really does effectively portray my point. Sexual orientation is like your race/ethnicity. You are born with it and you cant' do anything to change it. I already had this debate with people, but the thing is, I am a homosexual and I have known my whole life that I was a homosexual. There is no Ifs, Buts, OH MAYBE's. I know what I know and I have the most credibility here (other then the other homosexuals). Now that that is settled, how can a government deny the rights to something that people cannot even control? That is like the government saying that all Mexicans are denied the right to marry because their children will be sterile or all Asians are not allowed to go to libraries because the government feels they are too smart. It is ludicrous. It really is. From my perspective, the Christian institutions are taking advantage of their leverage in government, whether you would like to admit it or not. I am still confused at how stupid people could be over this topic because IT DOESN'T EVEN EFFECT THEIR LIVES AT ALL. So what if you feel like homosexuals are sinners and they are going to hell because they dont' like the opposite sex? That is damned nosy and rude if you ask me. It is none of your damn business. Homosexuals are people too, and they deserve the rights that are given to every single citizen. Marriage is a union of two people who love each other and want to spend the rest of their lives together with each other. Love doesn't HAVE TO factor into the equation, but is does 99% of the time. Point is, we need to get over the fact that the Bible says marriage is between a man and a woman and become a truly tolerant country by allowing gays to marry.

Sorry my thoughts are really jumbled right now, I'm kinda tired.
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[Laharl]

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Shash and Grandia:

If I ever reach a point where I start to groan at the childishness of the people I'm talking to (which happens quite easily when I'm simply pointing things out and they start to draw illogical links to things that somehow "defeat my argument"), I stop fighting.

You aren't worth my time, and you're definitely not worth a headache. Go ahead and gloat all you want about your supposed VICTOLY, because you guys have repeatedly proven to me that you will never back down regardless. In case you didn't know, I am not against gay marriage. I go against my church on this fact. I simply am not in favor of gay marriage, at the same time. I personally feel I'm trying to take a middle ground that makes sense to me. You have shown you don't wish to hear it; therefore, I withdraw.

Congratulations, "you have won." Go buy yourself a cake and pat yourselves on the back.

[GuidoHunter]

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Sexual orientation is like your race/ethnicity. You are born with it and you cant' do anything to change it.

Uh, you can't say that for certain.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ckj846]

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Except I'm a homosexual and I've known since I hit puberty and I knew what my sexuality was.
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[GuidoHunter]

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Anecdotal evidence is not proof for an entire population, though. Nobody knows for sure what the cause of homosexuality is.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[ckj846]

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Then ask every single homosexual person that you know and they'll give you the same answer.

By the way, I found this interesting. Slightly off topic but on topic at the same time.

http://mindprod.com/religion/wasjesusgay.html

I think the author of that clearly knows what he/she is talking about in that piece and I think it is highly credible. I'm not Christian so I wouldn't know.
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[GuidoHunter]

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Then ask every single homosexual person that you know and they'll give you the same answer.

It's nice to know that every single homosexual is a geneticist/understands things about human physiology that the scientific community doesn't know.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Kilgamayan]

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jamuko, Kilga:



That's the problem is suits going to the right judges who can circumvent the will of the people and turn down such laws.

If incestuous marriage ever gets to the Supreme Court they would shut it down. I would bet money on it.

If it gets to and stays on a state-by-state basis then all this arguing is moot.

[ckj846]

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It's nice to know that every single homosexual is a geneticist/understands things about human physiology that the scientific community doesn't know.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Not everything has to be proven with science. Look at the Bible. Are you going to say EVERYTHING IN THERE IS WRONG BECAUSE SCIENCE HASN'T PROVEN IT? Of course not, that is blasphemic. Are you going to laugh at cultures and their oral traditions because it hasn't been proven with science that their people's stories and anecdotes are true? Just because homosexuality is "thought" to be caused by genetic mutations doesn't mean that it is neccessarily true. There are some things in life that are unexplainable, and using that argument of WELL SCIENCE HASN'T SOLVED IT YET is really quite elementary.
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[FoJaR]

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You seem to think pretty highly of yourself in terms of political and governmental influence.

that's not it, i'd just have a plan.

It has already been pointed out that religion has zero place in this particular argument.

not for me. religion always has a place.



and cypher: that's fine man, you can think what you want of me, marriage is just something that's special, to me and a lot of people (not as many as it should be, and i'm talking straight people). but yeah, lose respect for me if you want, nobody else is taking a stand on here so i felt like i had to, however badly i'm representing my side.

[darkshark]

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nobody else is taking a stand on here so i felt like i had to, however badly i'm representing my side.

you dont even have a feasable argument other than "ohlolol jesus said so"