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  • Kilgamayan
    Super Scooter Happy
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Feb 2003
    • 6583

    #76
    Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

    Originally posted by FoJaR
    BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT MARRIAGE IS!
    Then what is marriage? Maybe it would help all your curt, condescending statements a bit if you actually presented a stance of your own.

    Originally posted by FoJaR
    you cant say "well it's easy to change the definition of marriage so lets do it."

    i want to change the definition of dog to include cats. it would be really easy.

    i want to change the definition of freedom of religion to mean that i can stone someone to death if they're a sinner.

    i want to change the definition of the N-word to something less offensive.
    If you get a large enough mass of people who agree with you, then go ahead and do those things. Look at suffrage and the civil rights movement. Those folks didn't roll over and go "oh man we're never going to change anything let's just give up". They got off their asses and did something.

    Originally posted by FoJaR
    things arent going to change just because it's convenient. this is the way it is, and this is the way it's going to stay.
    1) Says who?
    2) Why?
    I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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    • FishFishRevolution
      GotR Creator
      • Nov 2003
      • 7251

      #77
      Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

      I think this is a viable post considering this used to be a chit-chat topic and I should've posted it then.

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      • Afrobean
        Admiral in the Red Army
        • Dec 2003
        • 13262

        #78
        Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

        So, for you people against gay marriages, do you have a problem with them getting all of the legal rights a married couple would, but simply calling it something else?

        If so, why? Two gay people wouldn't be able to live in union doesn't damage "your" definition of marriage. It doesn't hurt anyone. All it does is give these people the same advantages that any married couple gets.

        Additionally, is all this really worth arguing over the semantics of the word? Who gives a ****? It's not like your religion is the owner of the word, and it's not even like your religion ISSUES OUT MARRIAGE LICENSES. It's the government's job to regulate marriage, and thus, religious factors, such as the fact that homosexuality is a sin, should be 100% irrelevent.

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        • Squeek
          let it snow~
          • Jan 2004
          • 14444

          #79
          Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

          Anti-gay marriagers: Who are you to come between the love of two individuals you don't even know?

          It's quite natural for people who love each other to want to have benefits and status as a married couple. That's pretty much what a marriage is all about. A Civil Union does not cut it. When people ask you for your status, there's single, married, or divorced. There's no "civil-unioned".

          If two people love each other, let them get married. The only thing I'm hesitant to allow is person -> animal marriages. That's just weird.

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          • FoJaR
            The Worst
            • Nov 2005
            • 2816

            #80
            Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

            Originally posted by Kilgamayan
            Then what is marriage? Maybe it would help all your curt, condescending statements a bit if you actually presented a stance of your own.
            marriage is the union of one man and one woman.

            1) Says who?
            2) Why?
            1. America.

            2. Because that's what marriage is.

            Afro: fine with homosexual couples having the advantages that heterosexual people get. but it's not marriage. it's friends, with benefits LOL

            AND: if the government suddenly refused to give out marriage licenses to heterosexual people, i would still "get married," even if it were only a religious ceremony (by far more important to me than any marriage certificate) and it wouldnt matter that much to me, because in the big picture, i'd be with the person i love.

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            • FoJaR
              The Worst
              • Nov 2005
              • 2816

              #81
              Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

              Originally posted by Squeek
              Anti-gay marriagers: Who are you to come between the love of two individuals you don't even know?
              not coming between their love, they are free to love.

              It's quite natural for people who love each other to want to have benefits and status as a married couple. That's pretty much what a marriage is all about. A Civil Union does not cut it. When people ask you for your status, there's single, married, or divorced. There's no "civil-unioned".

              If two people love each other, let them get married. The only thing I'm hesitant to allow is person -> animal marriages. That's just weird.
              soon people will be marrying their right hand for the tax breaks.

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              • MalReynolds
                CHOCK FULL O' NUTRIENTS
                • Sep 2003
                • 6571

                #82
                Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                Originally posted by FoJaR
                not coming between their love, they are free to love.



                soon people will be marrying their right hand for the tax breaks.
                That's the same arguement that the insane right uses. "If you let gays get married, soon we'll let people marry dogs!"

                Some people, believe it or not, do not want to be married for the tax breaks. Sure, give them a seperate word. But keep it equal, right?

                If everyone is granted the same "God given" rights, as per said in the constitution, then how come people of the same sex cannot get married to each other? Or hell, even "Civilly Unionized?"

                I mean, "Civil Union" makes it so dem ******s can't get married, but gives them equal rights and a seperate word.

                But that's not discrimination based off of creed, race or preference. So, no. No second class citizens.
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                • FoJaR
                  The Worst
                  • Nov 2005
                  • 2816

                  #83
                  Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                  if i were gay, gay marriage would be legal already.

                  i'm done arguing.

                  it's a religious thing, you guys would never understand it.

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                  • GuidoHunter
                    is against custom titles
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 7371

                    #84
                    Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                    Originally posted by MalReynolds
                    That's the same arguement that the insane right uses. "If you let gays get married, soon we'll let people marry dogs!"
                    I actually don't think that this slippery slope is entirely unfeasible.

                    With the way trial lawyers are today, I can see someone complaining that his right to be happy is being violated when the state tells him he can't marry his dog. After all, whom is he hurting?

                    With the right lawyer and the right judge in front of him, it would only take one person. ONE person out of over three hundred million to present the right case to the right person, and it's suddenly okay.

                    We could try to make laws against it, but again, the right judges could just rule those laws unconstitutional.

                    Then it's people trying to marry their six-year-old neighbor or daughter.

                    It's a stretch, I know, but I do think that it's possible. All it takes is one.

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                    • Afrobean
                      Admiral in the Red Army
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 13262

                      #85
                      Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                      Ok, so rather than a Consitutional amendment defining marriage as between specifically a man and a woman, make an amendment defining marriage as between two people.

                      Problem solved 100%-ly and everyone is happy.

                      Except the people wanna **** animals, I guess.

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                      • jamuko
                        FFR Player
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 1083

                        #86
                        Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                        The easy counter to the dog/six-year-old thing is that:

                        1. A dog cannot legally give consent.
                        2. A six-year-old cannot legally give consent.
                        3. A gay person can.
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                        • Afrobean
                          Admiral in the Red Army
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 13262

                          #87
                          Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                          Isn't the law for being married around the age of majority in most states? Isn't the lowest it goes around 14?

                          They're not going to go "oh ur right u shud be able to marry toddlers lol we will change that law rite now".

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                          • kilroysd
                            FFR Player
                            • Nov 2006
                            • 17

                            #88
                            Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                            -my stand-
                            if they love each other and really want to get married, let them.

                            as long as they aren't affecting my life i dont see why i should care.

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                            • Kilgamayan
                              Super Scooter Happy
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 6583

                              #89
                              Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                              Originally posted by FoJaR
                              marriage is the union of one man and one woman.
                              I have already questioned the legitimacy of this definition in terms of objectivity, among other things. Please explain to me why this is a be-all, end-all, unchangable definition of marriage.

                              Originally posted by FoJaR
                              1. America.
                              America also once thought slavery was a damn fine idea. America's mind is not closed to changing.

                              Originally posted by FoJaR
                              soon people will be marrying their right hand for the tax breaks.
                              - You can't possibly tell me there isn't a single straight marriage in America that's in it for the money.
                              - If two people are willing to ostracize themselves from a good chunk of society by publicly proclaiming homosexuality just for a few bucks, I say let 'em.

                              Originally posted by FoJaR
                              if i were gay, gay marriage would be legal already.
                              You seem to think pretty highly of yourself in terms of political and governmental influence.

                              Originally posted by FoJaR
                              it's a religious thing, you guys would never understand it.
                              It has already been pointed out that religion has zero place in this particular argument.

                              Originally posted by GuidoHunter
                              Then it's people trying to marry their six-year-old neighbor or daughter.

                              It's a stretch, I know, but I do think that it's possible. All it takes is one.
                              Age of consent laws will kick in for the six-year-old part. As for incest at any age, there is a legitimate moral argument against it involving the potential production of psychological problems within the family so a motion for the legalization of it would likely never get passed.
                              Last edited by Kilgamayan; 11-29-2006, 06:30 PM.
                              I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                              • GuidoHunter
                                is against custom titles
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 7371

                                #90
                                Re: Gay Marriage Unconstitutional?

                                jamuko, Kilga:

                                Originally posted by GuidoHunter
                                We could try to make laws against it, but again, the right judges could just rule those laws unconstitutional.
                                That's the problem is suits going to the right judges who can circumvent the will of the people and turn down such laws.

                                The only surefire way around it is what Afro mentioned, but good luck getting an amendment passed.

                                --Guido


                                Originally posted by Grandiagod
                                Originally posted by Grandiagod
                                She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
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