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  • Nyokou
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    • Apr 2005
    • 4246

    #1

    What is true love?

    This is just a little something I wrote after my boyfriend broke up with me recently. It's probably a bit awkwardly structured and the last paragraph sucks in my mind. I translated it into Spanish too and there are probably a lot of errors because I'm not entirely fluent in it. And yes, I changed the meanings of some phrases from the English version in the Spanish version because they only make sense in English.

    Edit: Yes, both versions are extremely informal! It [English version] is free writing.




    English

    I am not sure what my purpose in life is anymore. Time and time again, I have prayed to God for guidance and help but he never answers me. Although I am young and slightly inexperienced when it comes to being with someone, I have had my hopes and my heart crushed repeatedly. All I ask from anyone is for a little mercy.

    Lately my life has been consumed by my school work and the drama of having to figure out where I really want to take my life - what path to choose - what college to go to. Everything that any upperclassman has to deal with when they near the end of their high school life. It gets to the point where you feel that you are suffocating and you can't escape, even though there's someone out there trying to hold on dearly to you. Then he realizes that his own life has turned into a mess. He feels that he can't support you and that you could do better.

    The truth is... my heart screams at him to not give up, yet my logic says that maybe he is right. It's time to let go.

    Since I was 11-years-old, I have dated many guys, the majority of whom were a lot older than me, and if there's anything I have learned it is this:

    1. Being obsessive is okay but not to the point where you can't trust him anymore.
    2. Fighting will get you nowhere - just bite back your tongue when you are angry and wait until your feelings have calmed down. Talking it through in a civilized and adult manner will fix things better.
    3. If a man purposefully hurts your feelings - he is not worth the trouble. Dump him and move on.
    4. Innocent, puppy love and heated romance can be balanced - you just have to know the right time to use them.
    5. You have to be best friends. This includes not hiding secrets from each other, telling the other your problems, and being there to hold you in joy or in sorrow.
    6. Actions speak louder than words to a man. Words speak louder than actions to a woman.
    7. Never put anything before him. Not your pet, not your job, not your hobby. That's why it's best to share similar interests.
    8. So, if you don't share similar interests, support him in what he does love and over time you could grow to love it as well.

    Anyway, that's the list so far. I might think of more things to put there later but I can't think of anything at the moment. This is what I've learned up to this point in my life. Some may agree, others may disagree, but I believe them to be true. But who knows? My views could change by next year, or the next five years.

    Spanish

    ¿Porque estoy viva? He orado por muchos días para que Dios me escuche y me ayude pero nunca me contesta. Soy joven y no tengo mucha experiencia en estar en un relación con un hombre. Mis esperanzas y mi corazón han rompido repetidas veces. Nada mas quiero un poquito de compasión antes que me vuelvo loca.

    Recientemente mi vida ha sido consumido con trabajo de la escuela y toda la tragedia que viene con la presión de que quiero hacer con mi vida, que camino quiero seguir, y que universidad quiero a ir. Todo lo que cada persona en sus últimos días de escuela secundaria tiene que pensar en aquí en los estados unidos. Estoy en una posición que siento asfixiada y que no puedo salir aunque hay alguien aya afuera desesperado por que no quiere dejar mi mano. Pero el se da cuenta que su propia vida es un desorden. El siente que no me puede mantener y que puedo encontrar alguien mejor.

    La verdad es que... mi corazón grita a el que no me deja, pero mi lógica dice que quizá tiene verdad. Ya tengo que dejarlo.

    Desde que tenia once años he salido con muchos chicos - la mayoría estaban mas mayores que mi pero aprendí muchas cosas preciosas:

    1. Siendo obsesiva de tu hombre no es una cosa mala antes que no puedes confiar en el.
    2. Peleando no va a resolver nada - si estas enojada no digas algo antes que estas calma. Platicando como adultos civilizados puede lograr mucho mas.
    3. Si un hombre resueltamente te duele tus sentimientos no merece tu amor. Larga lo y muévete adelante.
    4. Inocente amor y romántico amor pueden ser equilibrados - nada mas tienes que saber cuando usar los.
    5. Tienen que ser buenos amigos. No esconden secretos, diga al otro tus problemas, y esta con el en alegría o tristeza.
    6. Acciones dicen mas que palabras a un hombre, pero palabras dicen mas que acciones a una mujer.
    7. Nunca pongas algo antes que el. No tu animal, no tu trabajo, y no tu afición. Por eso es mejor en tener interesas similares.
    8. Así que no tienen interesas similares soporte a el en cualquiera cosa que ama y con tiempo tu puedes llegar a amarlo también.

    Bueno, eso es la lista y creo que tengo mas cosas a añadir en el futuro pero tengo que pensar en los. Esto es lo que he aprendido hasta este momento en mi vida. Algunos pueden estar de acuerdo con mis opiniones y otros no pero yo creo los que sen verdad. ¿Y quien sabe? Mis opiniones pueden cambiar en un año o cinco.
    Last edited by Nyokou; 10-29-2008, 04:29 PM.
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  • Tokzic
    FFR Player
    • May 2005
    • 6878

    #2
    Re: What is true love?

    Most of your points are obvious, but some of them are plain wrong.

    Last paragraph is horrible, everything else is the same old thing basically everyone goes through only worded in a mundane, everyday way that doesn't speak to me.

    Last edited by Tokzic: Today at 11:59 PM. Reason: wait what

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    • Nyokou
      ( ̄ー ̄)
      • Apr 2005
      • 4246

      #3
      Re: What is true love?

      Thanks for your detailed insight. It's so helpful.
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      • robertsona
        missa in h-moll
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Dec 2006
        • 3997

        #4
        Re: What is true love?

        I'm going to take it you're one of those people who, when presented with an idea differing from yours, disregards it. I'm basically taking this from your response to Tokzic's post.
        I'm not going to review it based on that.
        Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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        • Tokzic
          FFR Player
          • May 2005
          • 6878

          #5
          Re: What is true love?

          Originally posted by Nyokou
          Thanks for your detailed insight. It's so helpful.
          1 - Being obsessive is not always okay. It usually isn't. It's usually an enormous turn-off for the guy, especially if he has an ounce of independence in him, or if he isn't a spineless piddle who needs his ego verified by unnecessary attention squandering.

          2 - If you mean "don't talk until you're calm", this isn't universal either, because most people have self-control and can speak to people without biting their heads off, even while extremely upset.

          6 - Flat out wrong. There's no pattern in females or males preferring "actions" over words.

          7 - Denying yourself before other people, no matter who the other people are, is cutting your own throat.

          I can't really even get specific with the writing style itself because all around the board it's base and it's almost like you try to keep it from being interesting. Yeah, it's informal, but informal isn't mutually exclusive with paralyzingly boring. You don't make a single insightful observation despite saying that this is based on experience. The background is typical and easily imaginable from anyone's upcoming, so is barely worth even mentioning in the piece.

          there nyokou is that enough detail for you

          Last edited by Tokzic: Today at 11:59 PM. Reason: wait what

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          • Nyokou
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            • Apr 2005
            • 4246

            #6
            Re: What is true love?

            No robertsona, I don't mind what other people think, I actually do respect their views but I responded in that manner because Tokzic didn't really give me any feedback... Just insults. I don't mind insults if they're backed though. I just don't like being insulted for no reason.

            I know that first point might come off to sound that way but that's not what I meant. What my definition of being "obsessive" is that you are totally and utterly devoted to that person BUT you know where the limits lie. There are times when he/she needs space, there are times when he/she is busy, there are times when he/she spends time with other people and not just you. It also means that you are not interested in anyone but him/her. This is only for serious long-term dating though, because if it's an open relationship or just casual dating, then yeah, being obsessive would be stupid.

            And yes, I know that my second point doesn't apply to everyone. It's a habit I acquired from my dad actually to overreact to things so it's more of a personal thing.

            And yes, I know the actions speak louder to men thing isn't true either but it's been the majority of my experiences with guys. I'm pretty sure the only guy I've dated that reacted more to words was... well, you know who it is. Again, that's another personal opinion. I have yet to meet someone else like him though.

            I think you're absolutely right about that seventh point actually. I have no idea why I wrote that. xD

            And yeah, like I said, it was just free writing. I know it's terrible. I might just decide to rewrite the whole thing in the near future so it makes more sense and isn't all over the place. Thanks.
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            • Partisan
              T1D
              • Feb 2007
              • 183

              #7
              Re: What is true love?

              Just my two cents on the subject, but I think your main issue here is trust. You're going a little off track with that list of yours and you're missing the most basic foundation of any relationship, trust. Trust can take years and years to build up and only seconds to completely destroy.

              Originally posted by Nyokou
              Since I was 11-years-old, I have dated many guys ...
              This right here may explain as to why you may not be having the best of luck with your relationships, which is simply put, you are jumping into things a bit too quickly. It's not necessarily because of the age at which you started dating, although 11 years old is a bit young, it's more of the fact that finding someone you can really trust and truly love is a lot harder to find in general. Sadly, that holds true for a lot of people around the world, probably even for some of your neighbors as well, so you're not alone on that and you shouldn't be beating yourself up for that either.

              There are very few people that can actually find someone who they can trust, but that only comes after you can trust yourself as well. Once you have that, you can just build on that and slowly develop more and more of a relationship to see if you're ready to date (meaning become close friends for an elongated period of time before you jump into anything). Just touch the surface of who they really are at first and then progressively dig deeper into who that person is.

              If you can really get along with that person, you shouldn't be running into all of those problems so frequently, although problems still occur as it's the nature of things, but they won't be as disheartening as they seem to be to you. My only reasoning for this is that you also seem to be having trouble with talking things through logically with whomever you're dating (they may not be interested because of lack of a better foundation in the relationship).

              Originally posted by Tokzic
              1 - Being obsessive is not always okay. It usually isn't. It's usually an enormous turn-off for the guy, especially if he has an ounce of independence in him, or if he isn't a spineless piddle who needs his ego verified by unnecessary attention squandering.
              Also, I would have to agree with Tokzic here. School should be of more importance to you than the relationship. That and it is quite the turn off if the girl suddenly loses her individuality and focuses too much on the relationship to the point where she no longer focuses on herself (the only reason someone would ever begin to like you is because they see something in who you are, don't lose that). I didn't mean that you still can't do things together, but that's just it, have fun together as individuals, not as the guy doing his thing and you being completely dependent on him for everything (This may not be true for every relationship though). Even in the case in which you're no longer going to school because you've (hopefully) graduated and not dropped out, you really shouldn't put your life on hold just for a relationship (of course I'm using the example of a relationship where nothing has gone terribly wrong yet or you just don't have a reason to be putting your life on hold for the relationship).

              I hope that helps you a little bit with clearing things up in your mind. And one more thing, it's only my opinion so take everything I say with a grain of a salt as my intent is only to help you by expressing how I felt on this.

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              • Nyokou
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                • Apr 2005
                • 4246

                #8
                Re: What is true love?

                I never asked for relationship advice. >_>' I just wanted an opinion on my [poor] writing skills.

                As for trust that was never an issue in my recent relationship. Yes, we were friends for quite a while before we actually started dating, so again, that was not an issue. And the only problem is that he broke up with me without ever explaining things. He literally just dumped me the other day for no reason at all even though the day before he claimed to really, truly love me. He felt that his life was too messed up and that I could find someone better. That's all he told me. Nothing else. He changed his phone number and everything to completely block me out of his life. I will never understand why he did that because he knows that I know that he's having a hard time finding a job and supporting himself and he never brought me down.

                I only feel a bit guilty because for the past few weeks I have been putting my soul and energy into school. Work, work, work - it hasn't stopped. And he knew I was stressed and tired and still broke up with me. It's insane. I mean, we could have just gotten along as friends but no. He felt the need to erase me from his life. :/ Someone explain that to me. I just don't get it.

                I never put my life on hold. I put my relationship on hold and I THOUGHT he was okay with that because I asked him if he was at least once every time we got to talk for like 5minutes a day, but apparently I was wrong. He never talked to me about anything.

                The funny thing is though, he is 21-years-old and I am 17. Who was the mature one in this relationship? I was. And again, I believe it's because I was only his second girlfriend and he was my eighth boyfriend.

                Anyone want to argue that?

                EDIT: I'd also like to add that my other relationships, not including this one, only lasted for a couple of months which explains the amount of guys I've dated. I'm not a slut or anything, but things just didn't work out because of how mentally immature I was. And believe me, I've been worse than I am now. I've gotten a lot better, especially since that one guy I dated a year ago... that everyone knows about. :/

                Oh, and this one lasted 8 months technically but I had fallen in love with him two months earlier. He officially asked me out while he was in the hospital for surgery in like... February. Yeah, it's weird.
                Last edited by Nyokou; 10-29-2008, 08:20 PM.
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                • Oni-Paranoia
                  No fucks
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 2440

                  #9
                  Re: What is true love?

                  Originally posted by Nyokou
                  I mean, we could have just gotten along as friends but no. He felt the need to erase me from his life. :/ Someone explain that to me. I just don't get it.
                  Sometimes living with someone in there life that has been so close to them... friends is just a no. I understand that completely =/

                  Note: i didnt read the whole thing due to its 10pm and im so tired but this caught my eye

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                  • foilman8805
                    smoke wheat hail satin
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 5704

                    #10
                    Re: What is true love?

                    The only thing I would argue is that age isn't necessarily indicative of your maturity, and I think everyone pretty much agrees with that.

                    EDIT: I also agree with Paranoia. I pretty much did that to my last girlfriend because the only way for me to get over her was to shut her out of my life.
                    Last edited by foilman8805; 10-29-2008, 08:22 PM.

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                    • Partisan
                      T1D
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 183

                      #11
                      Re: What is true love?

                      There's absolutely no correlation between age and maturity, but if you wanted to associate something with maturity, I'd say that there's definitely a pretty good chance that it's because of the certain events in your life and how you handle them.

                      And sorry, it's just you mentioned that all this happened recently and you also start off your essay with 'I am not sure what my purpose in life is anymore', so I took that as more of an opportunity to discuss it with you. My apologies if you didn't like that very much.

                      EDIT: Also, I'm pretty sure if anyone is actually reading your posts, they would pick up on the fact that you are NOT a slut in any way. You obviously do care about your relationships, it shouldn't have to be stated.
                      Last edited by Partisan; 10-29-2008, 08:31 PM.

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                      • Nyokou
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                        • Apr 2005
                        • 4246

                        #12
                        Re: What is true love?

                        I understand why you would do that foilman, if things weren't working out, but the thing is... we were totally fine. He still loves me, that much I do know which perplexes me because he even asked me to marry him a couple of weeks ago. I guess that's something else I forgot to mention...

                        He's having a hard time and he basically has no self esteem left but it's been hard for me to be there for him because again, school is killing me right now with so much work. He tried to this before, break up because he felt worthless and in his mind he thinks that someone out there will be better than him which could be true...

                        Ok, well. I think I've figured out his reasons why. Just thinking about it now. I hate when that happens.

                        So... he told me that it would take at least four years until we could actually get married. But he has no job, no hope... He's practically miserable. I understood that much and that's why I said at the beginning of my free writing that I'm upset at God because he never answered my prayers to help Branden get a job. But it's also my fault for not going to church because of my homework... So yeah... wow... And he doesn't want me to stay attached to him because he thinks it's hopeless and it would do me better to just find someone else to be with and develop more knowledge in being with someone so that I can pursue my desired career in the Arts and live a better life...

                        Oh my god.. ._.
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                        • foilman8805
                          smoke wheat hail satin
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 5704

                          #13
                          Re: What is true love?

                          Originally posted by Nyokou
                          I understand why you would do that foilman, if things weren't working out, but the thing is... we were totally fine.
                          Yeah, I'm truly as perplexed as you if that's the case.

                          From the way it all sounds, he's battling some major depression, and if you want to stay involved with that, then by all means, carry on, but personally, I would take my leave and call it done for the time being. You have experience, so to speak, so use your best judgment.

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                          • Partisan
                            T1D
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 183

                            #14
                            Re: What is true love?

                            Originally posted by foilman8805
                            Yeah, I'm truly as perplexed as you if that's the case.

                            From the way it all sounds, he's battling some major depression, and if you want to stay involved with that, then by all means, carry on, but personally, I would take my leave and call it done for the time being. You have experience, so to speak, so use your best judgment.
                            On the other hand, all of this has happened very recently and this relationship was one of your more longer lasting ones? (Not sure where I picked up on that, but it just seems like this one meant a lot more to you) If you choose not to give up on it so easily, you can always give it some time and see where it goes, granted you can find a way to talk some more sense into him or even just be able to talk to him at all. That's probably all you can really do at this point.

                            I forgot he kind of blocked you out of his life though, so that could be a problem. Although I hope whatever you decide to do in the end, you put a lot of thought into that won't leave you regretting that decision.

                            EDIT: It's totally my fault that this thread turned into a more focused discussion on the content of your writing than what you were actually looking for, a little bit of help with your writing skills. I'll try to help you with that some time later.
                            Last edited by Partisan; 10-29-2008, 08:47 PM.

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                            • Nyokou
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                              • Apr 2005
                              • 4246

                              #15
                              Re: What is true love?

                              Yeah. I texted him about what I figured out and everything and I called him & we just talked about it. I'm going to sleep peacefully tonight. I never thought that talking about my relationship on FFR would turn out to be good. I usually get made fun of. >_>
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