FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

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  • Arch0wl
    Banned
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Dec 2002
    • 6344

    #1

    FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

    I've noticed that a lot of newer users complain about how bad the early charts were. It's not a coincidence that nearly every chart sucked by the standards now--there were several causes.

    Q: Why do so many of the earlier charts have blue arrows?

    A: Because we had not yet developed a system that distinguished rhythms by color. Every chart converted as "flat" notes; the system we have now was not possible then.

    Q: Why do some of the earlier charts have backgrounds?

    A: Back when the earlier charts were developed we viewed FFR as an extension of SM/DWI, and every chart on SM is expected to have a background. The "no background" style that FFR has now developed long after we had made those charts.

    Q: Why are so many of the earlier charts offbeat and/or have very awkward rhythm patterns?

    A: Mostly because of the conversion process. Charts made for FFR have to be converted from .dwi and .sm files, which are the chart files that the open-source program "Stepmania" uses. The converter that FFR uses has gotten increasingly more sophisticated over the years. The earliest charts had to be manually tapped out by Synthlight, and the files like Revolutionary Etude, Rondo Alla Turca, Molto Vivace, etc. were made when the converter was in its earliest stages.

    Q: Why do the earliest charts suck?

    A: Charts can't objectively 'suck' beyond very basic criteria like vaguely going to the music so a good portion of how you view charts will depend on how new you are and what your preferences are.

    Q: Why were so many of the earlier charts unnecessarily hard?

    A: Mostly because of competition back in early 2003 between Reach, Hyro, Yanah, Spazzbite, and myself (among others; those are the people I remember most) to one-up everyone else by making harder files. The reason we had this attitude was because the bar for skill/difficulty at the time was very low and playing SM on a keyboard was in its early stages, so we were less concerned with the nuances of files like people are now and more concerned with raising the bar for skill/difficulty. To get an idea of the way we viewed FFR back then I suggest you read this thread.
    Last edited by Arch0wl; 06-3-2008, 06:12 AM.
  • Coolboyrulez0
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    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Aug 2006
    • 10042

    #2
    Re: FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

    Might stop the newer players from making all these unnecessary threads.
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    • Arch0wl
      Banned
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Dec 2002
      • 6344

      #3
      Re: FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

      Sticky or not, if someone asks this question you can link them to it instead of having to explain yourself.

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      • s0ulst0n3
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        • Sep 2006
        • 2076

        #4
        Re: FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

        Also I hear some charts were made using notepad, which is reasonably harder to synchronize.
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        • Arch0wl
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          FFR Simfile Author
          • Dec 2002
          • 6344

          #5
          Re: FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

          Probably the earliest charts. I think Hyrogashi might have made his charts in notepad, because when I made my first charts for FFR the SM editor was in its early stages.

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          • Tasselfoot
            Retired BOSS
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Jul 2003
            • 25185

            #6
            Re: FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

            From everything I've heard, Hyro made all his charts in Notepad.
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            • igotrhythm
              Fractals!
              • Sep 2004
              • 6535

              #7
              Re: FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

              I vaguely remember someone posting a guide to how to make a stepchart in Notepad...it wasn't pretty. You had to define how many notes were in every 4th interval or some such. I'm surprised it was possible at all, though.

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              • jimerax
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Music Producer
                • Nov 2003
                • 8185

                #8
                Re: FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

                All of my files that are older than The Five were made in notepad as well.

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                • operationstrawbarry
                  FFR Player
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 802

                  #9
                  Re: FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

                  Originally posted by Tasselfoot
                  From everything I've heard, Hyro made all his charts in Notepad.
                  So thats why hell beat and Uber rave were so off sync... Now I at least understand why the files were so off synce like Caprice, where there was an arrow to absolutly nothing. Although you had to manually tap it though, some of the off sync could have been corrected right. I mean some of the files had arrows to absolutly nothing to be honest.

                  But not I understand why some of the old songs were offsync.
                  Last edited by operationstrawbarry; 06-3-2008, 10:21 AM.

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                  • Tasselfoot
                    Retired BOSS
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 25185

                    #10
                    Re: FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

                    Another explanation as to why all the early charts suck... because Arch made them! .
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                    • Xx{Midday}xX
                      FFR Player
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 3518

                      #11
                      Re: FAQ: Why do the early charts suck so much?

                      I don't necessarily have a problem with the charts. They're fun in their own way. I learned to read arrows via relative distance thanks to the early charts.

                      I tried Notepad. I epicly failed.
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