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  • Quit
    FFR Player
    • Dec 2007
    • 23

    #1

    Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

    I got myself Magix a few months back and am enjoying it. I have fun making drum beats but when I put the beat into the song, things just sound odd. My problem is that I don't know any drum techniques or patterns or much of anything really. If there is anyone who could show me where I may find some drum motif patterns or some break beats so that I may replicate them in Magix, I would be appreciative. Hell, I might name a song after you.
    Thanks in Advanced, don't be afraid to PM me.
  • DrugstoreCowboy
    Is Famouz
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Sep 2006
    • 3409

    #2
    Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

    I dont know much about drum breaks, but you can honestly find out alot just by listening to the music that you love and would like to create.

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    • AloysiusRexford
      FFR Player
      • Feb 2008
      • 39

      #3
      Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

      If your doing breaks or drum and bass..

      I'd advise you to look into the history of the 'Amen Break'

      from there download that break.

      you should be able to find a nicely sliced up sample that separates all of the drum pieces which you can then put into a drum machine or sampler.

      check it out!
      My Music:







      .:Expanding your temporal lobe:.

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      • Quit
        FFR Player
        • Dec 2007
        • 23

        #4
        Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

        thanks. I've seen the Amen tab on wiki before and just forgot about it
        However, I can not find anything else aside from the Amen, can anyone help me out?
        Last edited by Quit; 03-8-2008, 09:28 PM. Reason: didnt show enough appreciation

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        • zajac
          aka uAnimals
          FFR Music Producer
          • Aug 2003
          • 4050

          #5
          Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

          D.C. pretty much summed it up nice right there with 'Listen to the music you like and are wanting to produce and go from there.'

          That is all you need to do to start out. Just listen and mimic until you have it down and can create your own fresh imaginative drum patterns.

          On the other topic of the Amen Break. You can listen to it. Learn about the fad that swept the commercial industry. And leave it alone.

          The 'Amen Break' is a solo drum set that the Amen Brothers had recorded, then when sampling first surfaced, that happened to be the recorded sample that was spliced. Do not. I repeat. DO NOT get a hold of that sample for you to slice yourself and reuse. That is ridiculously overused, redone, and overdone again. Get some sample pack banks of percussion of your own and go from there, but using the Amen Break's drums will make you stand out as amateur. Sorry. I could just go off for hours about that break and people wanting to redo it all the time.

          Anywho. I 2nd what D.C. said that I was going to intially say. Listen to what you'd like to produce, mimic, and go from there.
          Originally posted by Spec & Aperson
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          • sleeplessdragn
            ~Bang that beat Harder~
            FFR Simfile Author
            FFR Music Producer
            • Jan 2004
            • 2321

            #6
            Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

            Originally posted by zajac
            The 'Amen Break' is a solo drum set that the Amen Brothers had recorded, then when sampling first surfaced, that happened to be the recorded sample that was spliced. Do not. I repeat. DO NOT get a hold of that sample for you to slice yourself and reuse. That is ridiculously overused, redone, and overdone again. Get some sample pack banks of percussion of your own and go from there, but using the Amen Break's drums will make you stand out as amateur. Sorry. I could just go off for hours about that break and people wanting to redo it all the time.
            I feel like statements like these really deter from the purpose of music and reinforce the concept that music is simply a medium to grab attention for yourself, and that that is all you should be worrying about. There is a reason why the Amen Break has become so notoriously overused; the timbre of the beats and groove of the snap come together to allow some amazing sounds and equally amazing grooves. I don't think the problem is in its usage, I think its entirely in its execution. I mean for example, if you slice the snare down to 1/128ths, using pitch shifting you can make an entirely new instrument with an entirely new sound. And I'm sure that there are songs that can be composed in which not using the break would only leave the listener feeling dissatisfied. And if you don't believe that, I would point you toward Szamar Madar. It's like telling an artist that paintings of the sun are "overused".

            EDIT: I HAVE to put this link in here, I'm sorry it's just worth the watch so badly:


            As well as the original song, because if the amen break had come elsewhere, and the original song was made today, everyone would still say "OVERUSED":
            Last edited by sleeplessdragn; 03-11-2008, 12:29 AM.

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            • AloysiusRexford
              FFR Player
              • Feb 2008
              • 39

              #7
              Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

              Originally posted by sleeplessdragn
              I feel like statements like these really deter from the purpose of music and reinforce the concept that music is simply a medium to grab attention for yourself, and that that is all you should be worrying about. There is a reason why the Amen Break has become so notoriously overused; the timbre of the beats and groove of the snap come together to allow some amazing sounds and equally amazing grooves. I don't think the problem is in its usage, I think its entirely in its execution. I mean for example, if you slice the snare down to 1/128ths, using pitch shifting you can make an entirely new instrument with an entirely new sound. And I'm sure that there are songs that can be composed in which not using the break would only leave the listener feeling dissatisfied. And if you don't believe that, I would point you toward Szamar Madar. It's like telling an artist that paintings of the sun are "overused".

              wow - i couldn't sum that up any better - but i will elaborate in my own words. : D


              Anyone can take the Amen Break, slice it in beat and rearrange the segments of it - but to strip the sample down to its bare pieces, its individual snares, kicks, etc - change its pitches, throw in your filters and such. You can make a totally different sound. I suggested it only for an introduction into that sort of thing. The drums have a unique punch to them. I will admit it is overused, very overused. However there are individuals who have used that sample to were its barely recognizable. As 'sleeplessdragn' said or hinted to: Its all in the execution.

              (Venetian Snares...So very good.)

              However, 'zajac' poses a good point. It is nice to have your own set of percussion, once you can find the sound that you like for yourself. Just remember, always experiment and try new things, listening to music you enjoy yourself is a (of course) a great source of good influence and direction - music is infinite.
              Last edited by AloysiusRexford; 03-11-2008, 12:11 AM.
              My Music:







              .:Expanding your temporal lobe:.

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              • zajac
                aka uAnimals
                FFR Music Producer
                • Aug 2003
                • 4050

                #8
                Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

                However, 'zajac' poses a good point. It is nice to have your own set of percussion, once you can find the sound that you like for yourself. Just remember, always experiment and try new things, listening to music you enjoy yourself is a (of course) a great source of good influence and direction - music is infinite.
                Yes. You are saying the same thing I said but only with different words. Thank you.
                Originally posted by Spec & Aperson
                We Rate You: Cool Motherfucer. 9/10

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                • AloysiusRexford
                  FFR Player
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 39

                  #9
                  Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

                  Originally posted by zajac
                  Yes. You are saying the same thing I said but only with different words. Thank you.
                  Haha, just had to sum it all up...mainly for myself XD
                  My Music:







                  .:Expanding your temporal lobe:.

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                  • TK_Breed
                    Backstreet for Life!
                    FFR Music Producer
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 356

                    #10
                    Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

                    Every drum n bass artist uses the amen break at some point at least once. It's too classic and fun to play with not to. I say dl it, play with it, and go on your way.



                    ~Breed~

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                    • Quit
                      FFR Player
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 23

                      #11
                      Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

                      l grasp and agree what everyone is saying. music is most definitely infinite, and l can learn alot by experimenting and listening (which l have been doing)
                      but- not to push everyone's advice aside, if someone could show me where l can find Something like the Amen tab on Wiki
                      l think ld comprehend everything more. after l plugged the above in, it was like a light went on, but l hunger for more. any advice, oh wise ones (non sarcasm)?
                      Last edited by Quit; 03-11-2008, 09:35 PM.

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                      • ShAiOnEi
                        FFR Player
                        • May 2007
                        • 1110

                        #12
                        Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

                        Start listening to metal.
                        I love my son Auron

                        Epic thread killer

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                        • foilman8805
                          smoke wheat hail satin
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 5704

                          #13
                          Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

                          Originally posted by ShAiOnEi
                          Start listening to metal.
                          Listen to this man.

                          You won't find better, more technical drumming in any other genre.

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                          • -Fallen-
                            xqsite OG
                            • May 2005
                            • 2836

                            #14
                            Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

                            If you want to learn about good drum beats, listen to songs by the band Meg & Dia. I saw them at an Angels And Airwaves concert few weeks back, the drummer is incredible and very technical, very creative. It might help.
                            One of the original members of the xqsite + FFR community.
                            BlankZero - 15 year vet + RobbyZero - 15 year vet

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                            • zajac
                              aka uAnimals
                              FFR Music Producer
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 4050

                              #15
                              Re: Gettin Real on dem drumzzz

                              Yes. In order to better yourself in the aspect of laying down D'nB drum patterns, you should DEFINITELY list to Metal. Where multiple drums, (snares, kicks, hats, effects, etc) are not layered nor emphasized.

                              Yes. Do it. (sarcasm)
                              Originally posted by Spec & Aperson
                              We Rate You: Cool Motherfucer. 9/10

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