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  • devonin
    Very Grave Indeed
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    • Apr 2004
    • 10120

    #1

    Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

    So I was reading this article which was talking about a book exchange site I frequent, and one of the other websites they were talking about seemed like something I should bring up in here.

    Quoted from their article:

    Lulu

    Lulu is a DIY publishing house. You write your book, upload it to the site, choose your cover, fonts and binding. Hey, presto! You're a published author. With no editors, Lulu has tiny overheads. Bob Young, Lulu's founder, says, "In traditional publishing, selling less than 20,000 copies isn't profitable. We thought there had to be a way to create a publishing opportunity for speciality authors who would only sell a few thousand copies a year."

    Hence Lulu publishes anything, technology textbooks to "the world's largest collection of bad poetry". Lulu has produced more than half a million titles, and there are more than 100 writers on the Lulu roster making a full-time living from the royalties. Lulu's bestseller, with 70,000 copies sold, is a how-to book for cancer patients facing chemotherapy called Putting the "Can" in Cancer.

    Lulu's website has a recommendations system much like Amazon's. "On Lulu, you might find the only book ever published on the planet on a given subject," says Young, "because we make money, and the author makes money, on a single copy of a book."

    www.lulu.com
    Doing some fiddling with their pricing system, it seems like you can get a novel-sized, perfect-bound, black-and-white paperback printed for as little as $5.17 for a 32 page book, and $19.33 for a 750 page book, with per-unit discounts on bulk ordering.

    Seems like a 200 page novel would run about 7 bucks, and once it's uploaded, you can order as many copies as you like, at any time, and then "distrubute through 60,000 retailers, schools and libraries"
    Last edited by devonin; 02-27-2008, 11:04 AM.
  • Zythus
    FFR Player
    • Mar 2007
    • 346

    #2
    Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

    Its a good solution to the population of preliminary writers that needs a test to the world of publishing.

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    • All_That_Chaz
      Supreme Dictator For Life
      • Apr 2004
      • 5874

      #3
      Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

      That's pretty neat!

      If I ever finish the play I've been working on since... 2001... I'll definitely put in a book with some of my favorite poems. Maybe I'll even throw some of the research papers I'm proud of in there. Seems worth $5.17 to me.
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      • Tokzic
        FFR Player
        • May 2005
        • 6878

        #4
        Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

        I just started writing a novel. Excellent timing, dev. <3

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        • Verruckter
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          • Apr 2004
          • 2707

          #5
          Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

          Not a good idea. What will happen when all your books are to be copy pasted and posted freely on the internet? No one will want to buy them anymore. They'll just have to download them from any non-paying website, torrent or filesharing software. Copyrights will be void and you won't be making any profit.
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          • All_That_Chaz
            Supreme Dictator For Life
            • Apr 2004
            • 5874

            #6
            Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

            Originally posted by Verruckter
            Not a good idea. What will happen when all your books are to be copy pasted and posted freely on the internet? No one will want to buy them anymore. They'll just have to download them from any non-paying website, torrent or filesharing software. Copyrights will be void and you won't be making any profit.
            Profit wasn't really the motivating factor for me. It was more pride than anything - to hold a book and inside it being your own stuff. I think that's pretty cool.

            And you're wrong about making a profit. As long as any sell, it's going to make a profit. Since printing the book costs next to nothing, and there's just about no overhead at lulu, just about all revenue comes back as profit immediately.
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            Originally posted by FoJaR
            dammit chaz
            Originally posted by FoJaR
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            • GamerShadow
              FFR Player
              • Oct 2005
              • 2534

              #7
              Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

              Definitely looking into this for FFR: The Phantom Challenge when I finish the rough draft(What I am posting here in the forums.) and edit+revise. This is a pretty sweet find, devonin.
              Note to self Finish.

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              • devonin
                Very Grave Indeed
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                • Apr 2004
                • 10120

                #8
                Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

                Originally posted by Verruckter
                Not a good idea. What will happen when all your books are to be copy pasted and posted freely on the internet? No one will want to buy them anymore. They'll just have to download them from any non-paying website, torrent or filesharing software. Copyrights will be void and you won't be making any profit.
                Um... you seem to miss the point of this company. They're an actual publisher, like they make hard-copy books. This isn't a case of "You upload your work here and people pay for a download" They actually produce solid books for sale and shipment.

                You have them print up 100 copies, and "100 copies of the book" go up onto the website, and when someone wants to buy it, a physical book is shipped to them.

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                • MixMasterLar
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                  • Aug 2006
                  • 5289

                  #9
                  Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

                  Book-freaking-marked. time to get back to that Si-Fi thing I was writing about.

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                  • MalReynolds
                    CHOCK FULL O' NUTRIENTS
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 6571

                    #10
                    Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

                    Go ahead. You can get your stuff stolen and distrubted, though. And it would be legal, as they're really shady when it comes to copyrighting things. I've heard reports of things being copylefted - a process where outside agencies are allowed to take, copy or change your work without your permission because Lulu isn't covered entirely by the CCL.

                    That is, if you want your book to appear in stores. Not really the best thing to have someone pick up your book at a Barnes and Noble and own the entire work, right down the ability to re-write it as they see fit and send it in for actual publication.
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                    • All_That_Chaz
                      Supreme Dictator For Life
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 5874

                      #11
                      Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

                      Oh so all they do is fancy printing? Lame. I thought it came with copyright protection.
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                      Originally posted by FoJaR
                      dammit chaz
                      Originally posted by FoJaR
                      god dammit chaz
                      Originally posted by MalReynolds
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                      • MalReynolds
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                        • Sep 2003
                        • 6571

                        #12
                        Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

                        It does, when they ship from their website. But once it hits stores, it gets touchy.
                        "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."

                        "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor


                        My new novel:

                        Maledictions: The Offering.

                        Now in Paperback!

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                        • All_That_Chaz
                          Supreme Dictator For Life
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 5874

                          #13
                          Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

                          Good thing I'm not a writer by trade. =/
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                          Originally posted by FoJaR
                          dammit chaz
                          Originally posted by FoJaR
                          god dammit chaz
                          Originally posted by MalReynolds
                          I bet when you live in a glass house, the temptation to throw stones is magnified strictly because you're not supposed to.

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                          • devonin
                            Very Grave Indeed
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                            • Apr 2004
                            • 10120

                            #14
                            Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

                            When you post Content on Lulu's website, you keep your copyright, but you grant that Lulu will provide a service to post, display, copy, and sell that Content within the limitations you set during the online publishing process.
                            That sounds perfectly reasonable to me, they are after all a marketing tool as well as a publisher. I'm not seeing where the "shady" side of this comes in. You can use the site as deeply or shallowly as you want. You can put works there in such a way that only you can access them in -any- way, get only as many copies made as -you- want. Or you can have them listed in any place -you- feel comfortable having them listed (Say by having taken the time to actually read the User Agreement) it isn't like once your content touches their website they can just run away with it.

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                            • MalReynolds
                              CHOCK FULL O' NUTRIENTS
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 6571

                              #15
                              Re: Self-Publishing at very reasonable rates

                              Right. But when YOU opt to have the book shipped to stores YOU opt out of CCL. That's a huge criticism that was levelled against them.

                              It's completley safe on their website and when they ship directly from their website. It's when the book hits shelves that things get tricky - and yes, the book hitting the shelf is something you have to specify, so it does fall under that umbrella of "limitations you set".
                              "A new take on the epic fantasy genre... Darkly comic, relatable characters... twisted storyline."

                              "Readers who prefer tension and romance, Maledictions: The Offering, delivers... As serious YA fiction, I’ll give it five stars out of five. As a novel? Four and a half." - Liz Ellor


                              My new novel:

                              Maledictions: The Offering.

                              Now in Paperback!

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