United States eventual future?

Re: United States eventual future?

It sounds to me like you are assuming that Repulicans are going to rule the government for the rest of this country's existance.

Lol, not going to happen.

Re: United States eventual future?

This thread as stated is missing too much information, contains too much bias and too many assumptions...

Slipstrike, could you perhaps rephrase this in a little more balanced of a way?

Re: United States eventual future?

hold on, thats why its critical thinking, we need to expand his line of thought.

Anyways, I feel that humans hate to take responsibility. We like to have a leader to make rules so we can feel free and procrastinate about their decision, with the assurance that we did not make these rules and take no blame in decision. However, we also love to feel some kind of devotion to particular thoughts, for example, fighting for abortion and against abortion. From my point of view, theres always a certain amount of equilibrium between government power and citizen views, but it was the order that a citizen technically obeys the ideas of the government. Those who rebel will always be present, but as we are talking about things like abortion and gay marriage, I don't think its to die for or to wage some kind of major conflict. I think I will stop there...I don't want to bring other concepts with a stronger pull/push factor into this comment...

Re: United States eventual future?

It is unbalanced, but I have a feeling it will turn into Russia before it compleatly fails.

Also like Trav said, Since diffirent people with diffirent views come and go at a fairly regular rate, it's hard for us to get stuck in too much of a rut.

Re: United States eventual future?

What does that even mean? Turn into Russia circa when? We talking Tzarist Russia? the Soviet Union? Russia now? Turn into it how? Politcally, economically, socially?

Re: United States eventual future?

Hopefully, hes referring to Russia's communism.
I get the feeling that the US is going to collapse of its own accord, the higher you go, the harder you fall. These issues, gay marriage, abortion and all, they are only within the American border. However, worldwide and internationally, US is being a nuisance, a prime example would be the jig in Iraq, with Bush's failing ambitions on his treasured little oil. Pulling on another country's affairs along with dragging neighbors, Canada, into this nonsense. That, is how US declares supremacy and rises above other countries, but as sept 11 has once shown us, US will be a considerable target for retribution, terrorism, just because its so egotistic and arrogant. You may go on flaming me about this "Canada pulled into the war" but its true. Stephan harper couldn't refuse the calling of bush to help with the US affairs, he didn't want to have a bad record with the US.

Re: United States eventual future?

I think you woefully underestimate how ingrained the capitalist ideals are in the American people if you think there is -any- chance of the United States remotely resembling communism.

And while I won't flame you for saying that Bush pulled Canada into the War in Iraq, I will assert that your statement is false. We along with many nations got involved in Afghanistan (and rightfully so) but so far as I'm aware, we have no troop presence in Iraq at all, and are no part of Operation Iraqi Freedom

Re: United States eventual future?

if the other countries don't obey what the US ask them to do, they cannot export and import, they will lose their stand in global affairs. Cuba is a good example for disobeying stronger force. LOL
-----------------------
Still, when Bush called out for the wars, a bunch of people eagerly supported. And those Republicans most of the time win the congress, anyway, that there are nothing really involve communism

Re: United States eventual future?

I was suggesting that the Americans think of a form of a deviation of the communism idea. It is apparent that US feels that it can interfere with international affairs, and bring "peace" to such issues. That is a form of a forced control much similar to the same aspect in a communist way of thinking.

Re: United States eventual future?

Um...do you actually know anything about the trade embargo between the US and Cuba?

The embargo forbids -Americans- from doing business with Cubans. Cuba is welcome to trade with anybody else they feel like, but American markets are closed to them.

You seem to be a little confused about how communism works, or rather, you seem to take it as fact that previous regimes that claimed to be communist states were actually communists.

Re: United States eventual future?

Afghanistan was like a stage set for the US with the cast of the other various nations. Its more "peer pressure" that we the Canadians were pulled into this fiasco in the first place. Bush was gloating his little inspirational freedom act and to seem more supported, called the others to join him up in stage. Other nations had no choice but to join, fearing disfavor by the US.

Confused or not, its a legitimate answer. I don't actually believe US will EVER be or turning communists, but the ideas they weild are certainly very rash and organized, like an idea from the communist's scrapbook.

Re: United States eventual future?

Bingo

Im in no way saying we are like communist, just that before we fail we will be more like them

plus I wrote that when I misread the title as "US Eventual Failur"

Agree'd. Dont anger the US. It makes me angry that my people feel that they are always right. Now I do support our troops make no mistake, but there are a few things wrong with this entire war(but that's for another thread)

Re: United States eventual future?

Um...I think you need to read up a little bit on these particular conflicts and the political process surrounding them. Afghanistan was actually under the hostile control of a foreign and oppressive power, and I think almost everyone involved in the overthrow of the Taliban viewed what was going on, and rightly so, as liberation. Canadians are still there in fact, cleaning up the US's mess and trying to keep the peace while Taliban holdouts still try to retain control over portions of the country.

In my opinion, going into Afghanistan was completely a good choice. That the person claiming responsibility for the 9/11 attacks was known to be involved with that group, and heavily suspected to be located in that country provided an excellent justification for liberating a nation under the control of foreign conquering powers.

Iraq is completely different, and that is why Bush lost basically -all- of his support when he moved into the Iraqi theatre. There, the nation was under the control of a domestic government that, no matter how suspect their methods, was elected and holding legitimate authority. It had no connection whatsoever to the Taliban, to Al-Quaeda, or to Bin Laden, and you will never convince me that the US ever thought otherwise, though they liked to claim such very loud and often.

Rash and Organized are almost contradictory terms when you're talking about a political system. Somehow I think you're forming some bizarre portmanteau from communism and the anarchists's cookbook, but I'm pretty sure that actual marxist communism, as written, bears very little resemblance to what you're trying to describe here.

The US is looking more like a far-right wing authoritarian state, closer akin to facism than communism (See how I neatly avoid getting Godwin'd) and even if many of the ideologies are similar at the extreme ends (The politcal line is a curve not a straight line) their methods and methodologies are completely different.

Re: United States eventual future?

I somewhat do agree that US is authoritarian. Facism:

fas·cism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ Pronunciation Key - Pronunciation[fash-iz-uhm] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

From this definition, its a deviation of communism, not marxist whatsoever.