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  • Chromer
    Hookers and Blow
    • Jul 2003
    • 4981

    #1

    Admitting to Ignorance

    This one goes out to everyone here in Literature. I might have changed some of the events but this story should be read by all Lit regulars.

    The cursor blinked as Chris sat in front of his computer, hands poised like spiders over his keyboard. His mind has completely left him and he drew a long blank. He turned to the window on his left and looked outside. The street below was empty except for the occasional straggler or random car passing. He stood up and placed his hands on his head in frustration. Another one of his stories had been rejected by his publisher at Carron Publishing Ltd. According to Mrs. Wendy Santores, his work was too pretentious and had no feeling of personal attachment to the writing. In short, his works were horrible and never captured the correct view from any point or angle.

    Chris sat down at the computer again, clicked a file on his desktop entitled, "Becoming the Butterfly," and read it over again. He sighed. Maybe his publisher had been right. The work was too forward and preachy with its message and the last time Chris remembered he didn't kill 35 people in a supermarket to prove an existential bull**** anomaly. So Chris began right where he started, staring at a blinking cursor on a white screen. Just then, his phone rang.

    "Chris Seras speaking," said Chris in a flat, monotonous voice.

    "Hey Chris, its Mal. Why the long sounding voice?" asked Mal quizzically.

    "Oh nothing Mal. I just found out that my latest entry was rejected by that bitch Santores. I swear, it seems as though no one understands how hard it is for writers to even come up with material to write. Everyone wants to play the critic but no one wants to show their prowess with a pen or keyboard either."

    "Maybe that's because people only want to see you flourish Chris, and your ego is letting your writing become stagnant and underdeveloped."

    "Underdeveloped!? Dude, can you call "The Way We Feel" underdeveloped? Last time I checked, people actually bought that book!"

    "See!? That's what I mean! You become defensive whenever someone critiques your work that you can't see anything behind that enlarged ego of yours."

    "Mal, you know I would listen to anything you said to me in earnest. You've written some of the best work to ever come out of Fresh Font Resources Publishing. Of course I would value your opinion more than others."

    "If you want your works to truly sing then why not let Frank's criticism be put to good use?"

    "Frank is an asshole! Whenever I submit something to Santores, he somehow manages to get a hold of it first and rip me to shreds! I've gotten to the point where I just ignore him now."

    "You realize that Frank is the reason I write as well as I do now right?"

    "Elaborate Mal."

    "When I first started I was just like you; fresh-faced, huge ego, wanting to let the world know what kind of writer I was. Frank took the first submission I ever gave to FFR and completely desecrated it. I was so shocked I couldn't write anything for a few months. And guess what happened Chris? I got back up and wrote "Creep World."

    Chris sat in silence and shock. "Creep World" had been one of the biggest fiction series in recent time.

    "Does that surprise you Chris?"

    "A little. So are you saying that I should listen to Frank for once?"

    "Yes."

    "I don't know if I can do that. The way I write is my life and passion. I love to read and write and having one person criticize me doesn't seem like a very good thing to do."

    "All I can say is that sometimes it's hard admitting to ignorance."

    "What did you say Mal?"

    "You heard me Chris. Now I have to go. I have some errands to take care of before I go to bed. Good night."

    The phone clicked and the dial tone sounded immediately. Chris put the phone back on the receiver and sat with his hands folded. Admitting to ignorance is hard? Chris' mind desperately raced to put the pieces together. He understood what Mal had meant but he didn't understand how it applied to him. Could ego be ignorance? In a sense, yes it can be. However ego has a basis of substantial truth while ignorance is ignoring the truth in favor of something false. Chris went to the internet and pulled up the New York Times review of his best seller, "The Way We Feel." The review made him feel good about his ability in writing but did not lessen the pain of every submission after that being rejected. It just wasn't right.

    Maybe if I get some coffee, I'll be able to think straight, thought Chris as he pulled his robe tighter around himself and walked to his studio kitchen. He pulled out the coffee machine and started a fresh pot as he leaned against the kitchen counter, deep in thought. He was a good writer but somehow he had lost his ability to see what his true potential was. It was what Chris' father told him as a teenager. Your achievements don't match up to your abilities and potential.

    "So how do I do that Dad? Write a several hundred page book, throw it in the closet and read it two weeks later?" Chris asked to the empty space around him.

    First thing was first. Chris had to understand what exactly was wrong with his writing. He grabbed a mug full of coffee and returned to his bedroom, sitting at the computer once more. He went into his email where Frank had sent his latest scathing review of "Becoming the Butterfly."

    "you really have no idea how to write do you? are you talking about perspective like zooming out? because that's what "putting things in perspective" means. what you described is closer to coming to an understanding of someone else. not really perspective if the point is recognizing their views. and sometimes other peoples viewpoints ARENT as valid as mine, like right now. sharon and oliver are way wrong. this was horribly written. a good idea? maybe. creepy, but maybe. but it was horribly, horribly written."

    Reading that paragraph made Chris angry every time he read it and this instance was no exception. However, Chris managed to accept what Frank was saying to some degree for the sake of criticism. In that moment, Chris understood what Mal had meant to admitting ignorance. Chris had to first admit to himself that he was being ignorant of his own mistakes and bad writing and not just putting pen to paper or finger to keyboard. Chris leaned to the right and pulled out a notepad with an ink pen. He was going to take notes on everything Frank and other people had said about him to look at and analyze. Chris looked at his clock on the wall. It read 8:03PM. Chris sighed. This would take a while.

    *************************************************************************************************

    Around 4:27AM, Chris finally put down the ink pen and rubbed his tired eyes. He had filled 14 pages of notes of criticism from Frank Fojar of Carron Publishing to Mr. Michael Mead from the New York Times and others. In the time he was taking notes, he came to gripping truths within his writing and within himself.

    The first thing Chris had to break was his ego. He was as great a writer as he once made himself up to believe. He was above average but nowhere on the level of Mal or higher quality writers. The second thing Chris realized was that his work had no inner perspective from things he had experienced as a person. Maybe if he incorporated this into his writing, it would better serve him. Lastly, Chris had to apologize to himself for being an ass and to Frank for not taking his criticism constructively rather than as a personal attack. Chris picked up the phone and dialed Frank's extension at Carron Publishing. His answering machine came out and beeped.

    "Hey Frank? This is Chris Seras calling to say...well I apologize for the years of disrespect that I had shown to you whenever you criticized me. However, you have to realize that being scathing and condescending in your tone does not equal a good critique. As a reviewer, one had to be sensitive to the subject at hand while also being stern enough in the critique to get the point across. Maybe one day, you will be able to give me constructive criticism and I won't call you a pompous ass and ignore you. Bye."

    Once again, Chris stared at the blank screen on the computer, his hands poised over the keyboard like spiders. However this time, he began to write.

    "The cursor blinked as Chromer sat in front of his computer..."


    The End
  • Tibs
    FFR Player
    • May 2006
    • 5235

    #2
    Re: Admitting to Ignorance

    if i tell you it sucks will i get a clever namedrop in your next story?

    Metal covers of vidya game songs

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    • Tibs
      FFR Player
      • May 2006
      • 5235

      #3
      Re: Admitting to Ignorance

      i could be johnny tibs

      Metal covers of vidya game songs

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      • All_That_Chaz
        Supreme Dictator For Life
        • Apr 2004
        • 5874

        #4
        Re: Admitting to Ignorance

        Eh, a pm probably would have made your point better instead of another whiny diatribe. However, perhaps he would have ignored it. To me it's too obvious in its symbolism to give respect to its point. I would critique but I doubt you're looking for that here.
        Back to "Back to Earth"
        Originally posted by FoJaR
        dammit chaz
        Originally posted by FoJaR
        god dammit chaz
        Originally posted by MalReynolds
        I bet when you live in a glass house, the temptation to throw stones is magnified strictly because you're not supposed to.

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        • Chromer
          Hookers and Blow
          • Jul 2003
          • 4981

          #5
          Re: Admitting to Ignorance

          I would love to see how this is a whiny diatribe. Also, this is a story that needs to be seen as a whole.

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          • Tibs
            FFR Player
            • May 2006
            • 5235

            #6
            Re: Admitting to Ignorance

            Originally posted by All_That_Chaz
            Eh, a pm probably would have made your point better instead of another whiny diatribe.
            no man he had to write this because chris is writing about him and if either of them broke the chain it would create a TIME PARADOX and destroy the world as we know it

            Metal covers of vidya game songs

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            • All_That_Chaz
              Supreme Dictator For Life
              • Apr 2004
              • 5874

              #7
              Re: Admitting to Ignorance

              Originally posted by Chromer
              I would love to see how this is a whiny diatribe. Also, this is a story that needs to be seen as a whole.
              Fine. You spend the first half of the story talking about how great your potential is, further inflating your ego. You spend the second half attacking fojar which, while he's somewhat to blame as well, doesn't solve anything. When you say something like, "I know I sound like a know-it-all," you just sound like a bigger ass.

              Also, if people were really curious as to why someone like fojar would be so mean to you, we'd probably ask someone who knew, like I asked Mal. Writing this just shows how big your ego is and how you want your petty squabbles to be dramatized on ffr. If you actually wanted to smooth things over, you'd send a pm. Do you really think this is a better way to go about it?
              Back to "Back to Earth"
              Originally posted by FoJaR
              dammit chaz
              Originally posted by FoJaR
              god dammit chaz
              Originally posted by MalReynolds
              I bet when you live in a glass house, the temptation to throw stones is magnified strictly because you're not supposed to.

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              • Chromer
                Hookers and Blow
                • Jul 2003
                • 4981

                #8
                Re: Admitting to Ignorance

                Originally posted by All_That_Chaz
                Fine. You spend the first half of the story talking about how great your potential is, further inflating your ego. You spend the second half attacking fojar which, while he's somewhat to blame as well, doesn't solve anything. When you say something like, "I know I sound like a know-it-all," you just sound like a bigger ass.

                Also, if people were really curious as to why someone like fojar would be so mean to you, we'd probably ask someone who knew, like I asked Mal. Writing this just shows how big your ego is and how you want your petty squabbles to be dramatized on ffr. If you actually wanted to smooth things over, you'd send a pm. Do you really think this is a better way to go about it?
                Now you are seeing this in a completely different manner. This story is supposed to be my own lampooning. The first half of the story is supposed to be myself and my ego being addressed by a respectable member of the Lit forum. However, you saw that as me inflating my ego? Wow, your analytical skills are superb. The second half of the story is my coming to term with my own bad writing and ego and searching a way to correct it. My way of correcting it? Apologizing to Fojar through a story. That's how I wanted to make amends. However, you feel that I'm attacking him. The only one looking like an ass at the moment is yourself my friend.

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                • All_That_Chaz
                  Supreme Dictator For Life
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 5874

                  #9
                  Re: Admitting to Ignorance

                  Your achievements don't match up to your abilities and potential.
                  ^ego inflation. no matter how bad anything you write is, you say you're just not living up to how good you know you are.

                  and sometimes other peoples viewpoints ARENT as valid as mine, like right now.
                  ^attacking fojar by putting words in his mouth.

                  And making this overdramatized elaborate story as a means to apologize is pretentious and does not come off as apologetic at all. I'm sure on some level you're being sincere in your apologies, but you couldn't stop yourself from taking a couple immature jabs. Don't blame me for reading deeper than you want me to.

                  EDIT: That came off a little arrogant. What I really meant was that if you don't want people to see it as I saw it, you should either control your symbolism better; or better yet, not write this and all and just apologize to fojar in private.
                  Last edited by All_That_Chaz; 11-6-2007, 08:05 PM.
                  Back to "Back to Earth"
                  Originally posted by FoJaR
                  dammit chaz
                  Originally posted by FoJaR
                  god dammit chaz
                  Originally posted by MalReynolds
                  I bet when you live in a glass house, the temptation to throw stones is magnified strictly because you're not supposed to.

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                  • Chromer
                    Hookers and Blow
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 4981

                    #10
                    Re: Admitting to Ignorance

                    Originally posted by All_That_Chaz
                    ^ego inflation. no matter how bad anything you write is, you say you're just not living up to how good you know you are.


                    ^attacking fojar by putting words in his mouth.

                    And making this overdramatized elaborate story as a means to apologize is pretentious and does not come off as apologetic at all. I'm sure on some level you're being sincere in your apologies, but you couldn't stop yourself from taking a couple immature jabs. Don't blame me for reading deeper than you want me to.

                    EDIT: That came off a little arrogant. What I really meant was that if you don't want people to see it as I saw it, you should either control your symbolism better; or better yet, not write this and all and just apologize to fojar in private.
                    Something you probably didn't know was that the quote from Fojar I put in the story was all his own words. If you don't believe me then go read the Butterfly thread. I don't have to put words in someone's mouth for them to say their own opinions.

                    That quote isn't ego inflation as more of a universal motivator. We all have the potential to become great but sometimes our achievements don't match up to that. That is what the quote meant. You can look into it anyway you want, but my story stands, pretentious or not.

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                    • Tibs
                      FFR Player
                      • May 2006
                      • 5235

                      #11
                      Re: Admitting to Ignorance

                      Originally posted by Chromer
                      my ego is too big and i take criticism badly. i'm sorrrryyyyy
                      Originally posted by Chaz
                      this story smells ps SYMBOLIZUM
                      Originally posted by Chromer
                      stfu my story rocks and is clever and is YOUR GAY
                      JOHNNY TIBS FOR ADMITTING IGNORANCE 2

                      Metal covers of vidya game songs

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                      • All_That_Chaz
                        Supreme Dictator For Life
                        • Apr 2004
                        • 5874

                        #12
                        Re: Admitting to Ignorance

                        Originally posted by Chromer
                        Something you probably didn't know was that the quote from Fojar I put in the story was all his own words. If you don't believe me then go read the Butterfly thread. I don't have to put words in someone's mouth for them to say their own opinions.
                        I read that thread when it was originally posted. That line didn't sound familiar and although, yes, I see it there now, it still sounds out of context here and the only reason you'd include something like that would be to take a potshot at Fojar.

                        That quote isn't ego inflation as more of a universal motivator. We all have the potential to become great but sometimes our achievements don't match up to that. That is what the quote meant. You can look into it anyway you want, but my story stands, pretentious or not.
                        If you actually meant that Disney hogwash then you are a cruddy writer.
                        Back to "Back to Earth"
                        Originally posted by FoJaR
                        dammit chaz
                        Originally posted by FoJaR
                        god dammit chaz
                        Originally posted by MalReynolds
                        I bet when you live in a glass house, the temptation to throw stones is magnified strictly because you're not supposed to.

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                        • mead1
                          Cerebellumberjack
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 3960

                          #13
                          Re: Admitting to Ignorance

                          Let's see, there are a few ways to take this story.

                          A. A serious story about an uninteresting character who, when faced with the hardships of not being universally liked, makes some predictable deductions about his character and decides to change.

                          B. A really terrible allegory to actual events and people in the lit. forum

                          Now, I'm going to take it as A for several reasons. If it was B, it would be hilariously ironic, because someone claiming to have grown as a writer wrote arguably his worst work about how he was growing as a writer. Next, because anyone who has to hide behind a terrible allegory to say what they want to say has more problems as a person then they do as a writer. But like I said, I'm going to take it as though this was actually meant to be a story people could enjoy outside of the lit. forum. I'm going to imagine that you actually wrote this, not for people on the internet to care, but so it could be enjoyed.

                          I feel your story is terribly incomplete, Chromer. It suffers from a lot of missing information. You've tried to center your plot around the growth of a character of whom we get to see no actual growth. The plot is weak in itself. This stems mainly from the big conflict of the story being internal. This can be done well, but this characters internal deliberations seem cold, mechanical, and boring. I don't know how much thinking you do on a daily basis, I'm not going to judge you there, but people don't think that way. If you're going to focus a whole story on the change in a character, it can't be something that takes place over the course of one paragraph in short, broken sentences.

                          Though it is woefully incomplete, I'm not asking for you to re-write it with more. This is big problem number two. Your story is boring as hell. Not one of the characters is interesting, the situation is just as mundane, and the resolution incredibly cliche. It was honestly a struggle to make it through, but I really wanted to be able to give you a chance. Nothing about your story would hook any reader. I guarantee there is nobody you have any respect for who would tell you this story was interesting at all.

                          I could go back to it and try to pick apart individual lines, but honestly I don't want to read it again. Do you want to know why Chaz called it a whiny diatribe? It's more insulting to you as a writer as a "lampoon" then it is as a whiny diatribe. If you call this a serious piece of literature, you have no business writing, and should consider taking up a new hobby.

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                          • mead1
                            Cerebellumberjack
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 3960

                            #14
                            Re: Admitting to Ignorance

                            but im mentioned so i loved it 8)

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                            • All_That_Chaz
                              Supreme Dictator For Life
                              • Apr 2004
                              • 5874

                              #15
                              Re: Admitting to Ignorance

                              Originally posted by mead1
                              but im mentioned so i loved it 8)
                              Ah, but if you think you're mentioned then you actually think it's the crappy allegory! But I think you said that's actually less insulting than if it's a serious work.
                              Back to "Back to Earth"
                              Originally posted by FoJaR
                              dammit chaz
                              Originally posted by FoJaR
                              god dammit chaz
                              Originally posted by MalReynolds
                              I bet when you live in a glass house, the temptation to throw stones is magnified strictly because you're not supposed to.

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