I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

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  • BPM guy
    FFR Player
    • Nov 2006
    • 308
    #1

    I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

    FFR doesn't arrange its arrows perfectly. Here's proof.



    You see those 4 up arrow jacks? Well, the first 3 are finely alligned, but the fourth one looks a little too close, so it would go like this:

    da-da-dada

    even it should really go like this:

    da-da-da-da

    Same thing with Turkish March.



    See the down-left jumping jacks? The first 2 are finely alligned (again) but the 3rd one seems too close.

    In FFR it would go like this:

    da-dada

    but the real stepfile is:

    da-da-da
    Last edited by BPM guy; 02-8-2007, 03:14 PM.
    The kid with the smarts

    Originally posted by Shashakiro
    and if you don't do it peacefully your an ass
    lol
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    • nestlekwik
      Retired Staff
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Dec 2002
      • 2317
      #2
      Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

      Could you share with us what song that is?


      Originally posted by MixMasterLar
      Naruto Vs Math Class. That has got to be the funniest choice you'll ever make in your life dude.

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        • Fantasticone
          D7 Elite Keymasher
          • Aug 2006
          • 6003
          #3
          Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

          Looks like Crowdpleaser.

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            • TS_SonicMaster
              FFR Lolicon
              • Apr 2006
              • 1257
              #4
              Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

              End Night I think. Or did that have the down jack?

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                • BPM guy
                  FFR Player
                  • Nov 2006
                  • 308
                  #5
                  Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                  End Night has the down jack, the one I posted is crowdpleaser
                  The kid with the smarts

                  Originally posted by Shashakiro
                  and if you don't do it peacefully your an ass
                  lol

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                    • Tasselfoot
                      Retired BOSS
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 25185
                      #6
                      Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                      no duh. the reasoning behind the jack glitch is WELL WELL WELL known.

                      It is because FFR runs in 30 frames per second. So the converter that we use to convert from .dwi files into .ffr files... takes the note and puts it to the nearest frame. which causes issues with jacks in making them not uniform in distance between them.

                      but that only addresses the issue that you brought up above... that isn't why the jack syndrome exists. it exists because the timing window isn't coded completely correctly. if the timing windows overlap on 2 notes, the early window of the 2nd note takes precedence over the late window of the 1st note. which is why you have to hit jacks early on most instances, because the proper/late windows aren't there.
                      RIP

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                        • wickedawesomeful
                          Carls, Girls, & Drugs
                          FFR Music Producer
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 3888
                          #7
                          Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                          Would turning on the mini mod remove the jack problem? Does the mini mod make the hitboxes smaller as well as the arrows? Because if it makes the hitboxes smaller, it's possible that they might not overlap.
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                            • Devilution
                              doin' just fine
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 822
                              #8
                              Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                              i agree

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                                • Shashakiro
                                  TWO THOUZAND COMBO
                                  FFR Simfile Author
                                  • Aug 2005
                                  • 9082
                                  #9
                                  Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                                  no mods would help jack syndrome in any way.

                                  also...what you posted affects everything in FFR, not just jacks. It's just not nearly as noticeable on other stuff.

                                  180 BPM stream is actually da--da-da--da-da--da-da. It's just way too fast to actually notice.
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                                    • stlunatic0124
                                      FFR Player
                                      • Feb 2005
                                      • 3228
                                      #10
                                      Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                                      that's interesting i never knew that.. good thread.

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                                        • Billydude
                                          FFR Player
                                          • Apr 2006
                                          • 880
                                          #11
                                          Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                                          FFR staff shouldn't just say "sorry but nothing can help cuz it's just messed up". I really think FFR should make it's own simfile making program. It could be more easy to make and more convenient and will actually show you what it will look like on FFR not Stepmania or DWI. If people did this then I'm sure there would be lots more simfiles created and submitted into FFR. The same for SpinItUp. This would also help the jacks not be so messed up (if you made it right).

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                                            • Windscarredfaith
                                              (づ￣ ³￣)づ watermelon
                                              • Mar 2005
                                              • 2612
                                              #12
                                              Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                                              Yeah, I didn't know this eariler until Kit- told me like two months ago.

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                                                • Trexgone
                                                  FFR Player
                                                  • Jan 2007
                                                  • 5
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                                                  Originally posted by Tasselfoot
                                                  but that only addresses the issue that you brought up above... that isn't why the jack syndrome exists. it exists because the timing window isn't coded completely correctly. if the timing windows overlap on 2 notes, the early window of the 2nd note takes precedence over the late window of the 1st note. which is why you have to hit jacks early on most instances, because the proper/late windows aren't there.
                                                  I was going to put this when I saw this on the front page, but tassel beat me to it Noticed this the 2nd time i saw jacks
                                                  Last edited by Trexgone; 02-8-2007, 06:31 PM.

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                                                    • ninjja_
                                                      FFR Player
                                                      • Feb 2007
                                                      • 38
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                                                      Originally posted by BPM guy
                                                      See the down-left jumping jacks? The first 2 are finely alligned (again) but the 3rd one seems too close.

                                                      haha, jumping jacks.
                                                      Well, I think it's the FPS in songs but thats my theory.


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                                                        • chickendude
                                                          Away from Computer
                                                          FFR Simfile Author
                                                          • Sep 2003
                                                          • 1901
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                                                          Originally posted by Billydude
                                                          FFR staff shouldn't just say "sorry but nothing can help cuz it's just messed up". I really think FFR should make it's own simfile making program. It could be more easy to make and more convenient and will actually show you what it will look like on FFR not Stepmania or DWI. If people did this then I'm sure there would be lots more simfiles created and submitted into FFR. The same for SpinItUp. This would also help the jacks not be so messed up (if you made it right).

                                                          Did you even read what tass said? Don't even answer that.

                                                          The game runs at 30 frames per second. You can't hit a note in between a frame, so it rounds the note to the nearest frame. A new simfile making program would be a complete waste of time to code. There are so many better uses of the coders' time.

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