I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

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  • #1
    FFR Player
    BPM guy
    • Nov 2006
    • 308

    I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

    FFR doesn't arrange its arrows perfectly. Here's proof.



    You see those 4 up arrow jacks? Well, the first 3 are finely alligned, but the fourth one looks a little too close, so it would go like this:

    da-da-dada

    even it should really go like this:

    da-da-da-da

    Same thing with Turkish March.



    See the down-left jumping jacks? The first 2 are finely alligned (again) but the 3rd one seems too close.

    In FFR it would go like this:

    da-dada

    but the real stepfile is:

    da-da-da
    Last edited by BPM guy; 02-8-2007, 04:14 PM.
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  • #2
    Retired Staff
    FFR Simfile Author
    nestlekwik
    • Dec 2002
    • 2317

    Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

    Could you share with us what song that is?


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    • #3
      D7 Elite Keymasher
      Fantasticone
      • Aug 2006
      • 6006

      Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

      Looks like Crowdpleaser.

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      • #4
        FFR Lolicon
        TS_SonicMaster
        • Apr 2006
        • 1257

        Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

        End Night I think. Or did that have the down jack?

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        • #5
          FFR Player
          BPM guy
          • Nov 2006
          • 308

          Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

          End Night has the down jack, the one I posted is crowdpleaser
          The kid with the smarts

          Originally posted by Shashakiro
          and if you don't do it peacefully your an ass
          lol

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          • #6
            Retired BOSS
            FFR Simfile Author
            Tasselfoot
            • Jul 2003
            • 25185

            Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

            no duh. the reasoning behind the jack glitch is WELL WELL WELL known.

            It is because FFR runs in 30 frames per second. So the converter that we use to convert from .dwi files into .ffr files... takes the note and puts it to the nearest frame. which causes issues with jacks in making them not uniform in distance between them.

            but that only addresses the issue that you brought up above... that isn't why the jack syndrome exists. it exists because the timing window isn't coded completely correctly. if the timing windows overlap on 2 notes, the early window of the 2nd note takes precedence over the late window of the 1st note. which is why you have to hit jacks early on most instances, because the proper/late windows aren't there.
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            • #7
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              wickedawesomeful
              • Dec 2006
              • 3888

              Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

              Would turning on the mini mod remove the jack problem? Does the mini mod make the hitboxes smaller as well as the arrows? Because if it makes the hitboxes smaller, it's possible that they might not overlap.
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              • #8
                doin' just fine
                Devilution
                • Nov 2006
                • 822

                Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                i agree

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                • #9
                  TWO THOUZAND COMBO
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                  Shashakiro
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 9082

                  Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                  no mods would help jack syndrome in any way.

                  also...what you posted affects everything in FFR, not just jacks. It's just not nearly as noticeable on other stuff.

                  180 BPM stream is actually da--da-da--da-da--da-da. It's just way too fast to actually notice.
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                  • #10
                    FFR Player
                    stlunatic0124
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 3228

                    Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                    that's interesting i never knew that.. good thread.

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                    • #11
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                      Billydude
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 880

                      Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                      FFR staff shouldn't just say "sorry but nothing can help cuz it's just messed up". I really think FFR should make it's own simfile making program. It could be more easy to make and more convenient and will actually show you what it will look like on FFR not Stepmania or DWI. If people did this then I'm sure there would be lots more simfiles created and submitted into FFR. The same for SpinItUp. This would also help the jacks not be so messed up (if you made it right).

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                      • #12
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                        Windscarredfaith
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 2612

                        Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                        Yeah, I didn't know this eariler until Kit- told me like two months ago.

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                        • #13
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                          Trexgone
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 5

                          Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                          Originally posted by Tasselfoot
                          but that only addresses the issue that you brought up above... that isn't why the jack syndrome exists. it exists because the timing window isn't coded completely correctly. if the timing windows overlap on 2 notes, the early window of the 2nd note takes precedence over the late window of the 1st note. which is why you have to hit jacks early on most instances, because the proper/late windows aren't there.
                          I was going to put this when I saw this on the front page, but tassel beat me to it Noticed this the 2nd time i saw jacks
                          Last edited by Trexgone; 02-8-2007, 07:31 PM.

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                          • #14
                            FFR Player
                            ninjja_
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 38

                            Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                            Originally posted by BPM guy
                            See the down-left jumping jacks? The first 2 are finely alligned (again) but the 3rd one seems too close.

                            haha, jumping jacks.
                            Well, I think it's the FPS in songs but thats my theory.


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                            • #15
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                              chickendude
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 1901

                              Re: I probably understand why the jacks system is so messed up.

                              Originally posted by Billydude
                              FFR staff shouldn't just say "sorry but nothing can help cuz it's just messed up". I really think FFR should make it's own simfile making program. It could be more easy to make and more convenient and will actually show you what it will look like on FFR not Stepmania or DWI. If people did this then I'm sure there would be lots more simfiles created and submitted into FFR. The same for SpinItUp. This would also help the jacks not be so messed up (if you made it right).

                              Did you even read what tass said? Don't even answer that.

                              The game runs at 30 frames per second. You can't hit a note in between a frame, so it rounds the note to the nearest frame. A new simfile making program would be a complete waste of time to code. There are so many better uses of the coders' time.

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