To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • LoneDancer
    FFR Player
    • Sep 2003
    • 62

    #1

    To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

    Until recently I've always played one handed. I've been a member for a little over three years, but have spread out less than 3000 songs over that time, so you can see I don't play all that often. Until recently...

    Anyways, I've been experimenting with different setups. Indexes came ever so naturally, and I found my comboing CIA Rave better on my first try (with index) that I ever could with one hand. That's not true anymore...I've since been working very hard on making my fingers faster.

    So, with that little introduction done, I have a series of questions for all the best one handers.

    What patterns, if any, give you the most trouble? What songs give you the most trouble? About how long would you say it took you to make your hands fast enough for songs at ~Gradeus speed?

    I'm not really looking for advice, since I'm continuing to improve my speed on my own (I've actually just about matched my finger speed with my reading abilities for certain patterns). I'm more or less just looking to here in more detail the experiences of top-tier one handed players

    Edit: Looked at the picture guide thing for names to certain patters. I decided it was silly to ask these questions and not describe my own problems. The Running Man thing gives me trouble, but I've only recently encountered it and it's only especially difficult when I have to continually press up while alternating between down and either left/right (same problem if continually pressing down, etc etc). Also, trills between up and down of any length are horribly difficult. When I'm lazy, I just press up and down at the same time (like after playing Max Forever a few times). But that's terrible technique, so I try not to. When I'm not lazy, I slide my finger up and down between the two keys...I don't have time to lift my finger. I've been able to fully combo long trills of this type with all perfects using this particular technique, but I find it difficult to "come out of". Meaning, after the trill is over, I find it particularly difficult to continue a stream of different arrows (ie. 8282828268246824)
    Last edited by LoneDancer; 11-7-2006, 01:51 PM.
  • Shashakiro
    TWO THOUZAND COMBO
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Aug 2005
    • 9082

    #2
    Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

    I've always wondered why one-handers don't just switch over their index finger to the down key on 2828282828 trills...seems to me like it would be far easier, and involve at most one doublestep, versus way more doublesteps just doing it with the middle finger.
    4th Official FFR Tournament - Master division champion!

    Originally posted by Boogiebear
    use ur bain. Itz there for a reason.

    Comment

    • LoneDancer
      FFR Player
      • Sep 2003
      • 62

      #3
      Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

      I've thought about it, but it's a big change to completely change your finger setup in the middle of a fast stream. It's not impossible, of course...and I guess with practice it would make the whole thing easier. Right now, I've been playing with a laptop that has almost microscopic (slight exaggeration) arrow keys, so my wrist is practically dead from the quick, fine movements. So I'll try that out and see how it goes later after a rest. (got myself a new high on delirium, klung klung [comboed the first 189ish which is amazing for me] and I think one other)

      Comment

      • Tasselfoot
        Retired BOSS
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Jul 2003
        • 25185

        #4
        Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

        talk to korny... he's king of 1-hand.
        RIP

        Comment

        • DarkManticoreX2
          TWG Overlord
          • Apr 2005
          • 7355

          #5
          Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

          Will post an involved setup of my one handed technique and edit it in when I get home.

          ok home.
          The basic weaknesses of one handers are jumpstreams and trills based on the ring finger. ie

          and

          respectivly.

          These patterns are hard mainly because for jumpstream your fingers need to be in sync and it is difficult to sync and continue streaming.
          Trills based on the ring finger are hard mainly because the ring finger is weaker than your index and middle fingers. It also tends not to move as fast.

          Crossovers especially those in Chrono trigger are killer because of the "cradle" motion that is needed. It's hard to both go into the motion and come out of it.

          An up & down trill is difficult to PA the standard 3 fingered way, but not impossible. It takes a lot of speed. If you just want to combo the trill the standard up down slide is acceptable.

          Running men are difficult, but I believe it is an extremely advanced pattern difficult for all styles. It is certainly hittable once you figure out a method to accomplish it.

          Jacks, stream, and everything else are all based on speed and pattern recognition. In short practice.
          Last edited by DarkManticoreX2; 11-10-2006, 05:22 PM.
          AAA's = 800

          Originally posted by V
          Manti, I apologize for insulting you. Let the record show that I am a prickass douche, and not only that, but that I am a terrible player.

          Comment

          • LJRoX
            Banned
            • Mar 2005
            • 2762

            #6
            Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

            What song is the first one?

            Comment

            • Shashakiro
              TWO THOUZAND COMBO
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Aug 2005
              • 9082

              #7
              Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

              Originally posted by DarkManticoreX2
              Running men are difficult, but I believe it is an extremely advanced pattern difficult for all styles.
              It's one of the single easiest patterns in the game for index and 3-finger.
              4th Official FFR Tournament - Master division champion!

              Originally posted by Boogiebear
              use ur bain. Itz there for a reason.

              Comment

              • DarkManticoreX2
                TWG Overlord
                • Apr 2005
                • 7355

                #8
                Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

                Originally posted by LJRoX
                What song is the first one?
                Etude to a dragon.

                Yeah, Index has a heavy advantage on running men and trills. If your trying to decide on a playstyle I'd advise checking out this thread.

                Last edited by DarkManticoreX2; 11-11-2006, 07:47 PM.
                AAA's = 800

                Originally posted by V
                Manti, I apologize for insulting you. Let the record show that I am a prickass douche, and not only that, but that I am a terrible player.

                Comment

                • Iwhaiwnfi
                  FFR Player
                  • May 2006
                  • 224

                  #9
                  Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

                  What patterns, if any, give you the most trouble? What songs give you the most trouble? About how long would you say it took you to make your hands fast enough for songs at ~Gradeus speed?
                  It's been a while since I've played one handed.. though if I remember correctly, individual songs didn't give me any trouble. Max Forever is really standing out, because trying to keep the trills consistant were pretty hard at the time, especially the 282828 trills.

                  Gradeus.. that took me about 3 months before I could play it, though I definitely mashed in some parts.

                  Originally posted by BLAZZE-
                  You: i got harased on a ddr simulators multiplayer option. i also have no proof! Help!
                  Police: lol

                  Comment

                  • Tasselfoot
                    Retired BOSS
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 25185

                    #10
                    Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

                    Manti is one of the better 1-handers on FFR... and he isn't that close to FCing Gradeus.

                    korny is basically the ONLY 1-hander who can compete against the other play styles... he kicks my ass in PA across the board. even crazy hard 1-hand songs like silence and balloon fever.
                    RIP

                    Comment

                    • Bahamut-X
                      FFR Player
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 3399

                      #11
                      Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

                      Running men are relatively easy until about 245ish bpm. Anything beyond that becomes rediculously hard to coordinate.

                      Atleast for spread. Don't know about index though.

                      Comment

                      • bmah
                        shots FIRED
                        Profile Moderator
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        Global Moderator
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 8448

                        #12
                        Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

                        What does "running men" mean?

                        Comment

                        • dore
                          caveman pornstar
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          FFR Music Producer
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 6317

                          #13
                          Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

                          Originally posted by bmah
                          What does "running men" mean?
                          See the official picture dictionary.
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

                          Comment

                          • bmah
                            shots FIRED
                            Profile Moderator
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            Global Moderator
                            • Oct 2003
                            • 8448

                            #14
                            Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

                            Ah, I see. That pattern is pretty hard when using one hand, but is pretty easy with two hands.

                            Comment

                            • LoneDancer
                              FFR Player
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 62

                              #15
                              Re: To the best one-handers (or any, I suppose)

                              I've continued testing out different styles, because I think I'll be reaching my limit with one hand soon. I'm still getting better fairly quickly, but not as much as I was when I started playing again a few weeks ago. I think I'm going to go with index because I was naturally better at it to begin with and two hand split is painful after a few songs for my left hand because it's not used to playing fairly quick songs.

                              Originally posted by Iwhaiwnfi
                              It's been a while since I've played one handed.. though if I remember correctly, individual songs didn't give me any trouble. Max Forever is really standing out, because trying to keep the trills consistant were pretty hard at the time, especially the 282828 trills.

                              Gradeus.. that took me about 3 months before I could play it, though I definitely mashed in some parts.
                              It's been a few weeks since I seriously started playing again. I can "play" Gradeus without mashing, but slip a lot or simply fall behind and have to take a partial second to get myself back in the right beat.
                              Last edited by LoneDancer; 11-12-2006, 10:36 PM.

                              Comment

                              Working...